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No more bad posting
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
August 17 2013 21:40 GMT
#5561
that is this new hearththrown game everyone seems to be talking about,
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 17 2013 21:41 GMT
#5562
Hearthstone beta---Blizzard's answer to MtG 2014.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
August 17 2013 21:41 GMT
#5563
On August 18 2013 06:35 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2013 06:34 Alaric wrote:
Sejuani?

Nocturne.

I'm so bad at Noc it's not even funny.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 17 2013 21:42 GMT
#5564
On August 18 2013 06:35 Haiq343 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2013 06:31 cLutZ wrote:
On August 18 2013 06:24 Alaric wrote:
Zac is stupid.

IM glad there is a malphite alternative. The issue is his sustain (no mana plus easy HP regen, nice job) plus that he can save his ultimate if he screws up.

I thought the biggest issue with Zac is that he's got the longest range engage, most cc and highest damage of any of the 'tank' chars. Give or take.

that would not be as bad if his passive didn't give him ridiculous sustain on top of a revive.

Sej and noc? (on phone forgive the lack of multiple quotes).
Freeeeeeedom
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 17 2013 21:42 GMT
#5565
On August 18 2013 06:40 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2013 06:35 Haiq343 wrote:
On August 18 2013 06:31 cLutZ wrote:
On August 18 2013 06:24 Alaric wrote:
Zac is stupid.

IM glad there is a malphite alternative. The issue is his sustain (no mana plus easy HP regen, nice job) plus that he can save his ultimate if he screws up.

I thought the biggest issue with Zac is that he's got the longest range engage, most cc and highest damage of any of the 'tank' chars. Give or take.


his damage isn't really higher, it's more that he can more reliably be attacking squishy targets because of slingshot and not being able to be cc'd in ult.

Look at the cd, range, base damage, and remember that his passive (the healing part) is dumb enough that he can get away with Sorcs+Guise even without being super fed (nor even fed at all).

Now look at Amumu, Maokai, Sejuani, Malphite, Nautilus, Cho'Gath, Rammus, etc. and tell me he's got the same damage.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
August 17 2013 21:44 GMT
#5566
he's got no skills that give him survivability apart from his passive
and even then all his skills cost him HP to use
you can't really get away with building that and still initiate teamfights (from the jungle)
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 17 2013 21:50 GMT
#5567
He's on the higher end of the spectrum when it comes to base stats and his passive healing is super strong when he initiates because unless they're all running in a particular direction you can easily pick-up the 4 bloblets it drops thanks to the MS buff, tenacity, and range of the damage/knock-back/slow.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-17 21:59:57
August 17 2013 21:52 GMT
#5568
It depends on how many bounces he hits on Ulti, but Malphite with similar items is in the ballpark if you don't hit all 3 bounces. Not being able to cc him in ult is by far the biggest problem with Zac and it's going away so I withhold judgement for now.

Cho's damage is very comparable, significantly higher actually if we aren't talking AoE (since his ult is single target)

surprise surprise, the three tanks that came up are the ones that can actually lane, perhaps the perception of a problem is actually just a gold discrepancy. 3 of the best things to lane against Zac, Ryze/Kennen/Jayce all also got nerfed.
Carrilord has arrived.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 17 2013 21:57 GMT
#5569
On August 18 2013 06:52 Slusher wrote:
It depends on how many bounces he hits on Ulti, but Malphite with similar items is in the ballpark if you don't hit all 3 bounces. Not being able to cc him in ult is by far the biggest problem with Zac and it's going away so I withhold judgement for now.

That is the fun part of zac though. Better to Nerf the lame parts imo.
Freeeeeeedom
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-17 22:03:28
August 17 2013 22:01 GMT
#5570
An ult with 700 base damage, a movement speed buff that can have a 2nd ability cast during it's animation and disables all cc, isn't fun for anyone besides the Zac player.
Carrilord has arrived.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-17 22:06:15
August 17 2013 22:04 GMT
#5571
There's already a change on the PBE so Let's Bounce removes slow on casts but doesn't reduce CC anymore.

(Source)
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
August 17 2013 22:05 GMT
#5572
On August 18 2013 06:57 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2013 06:52 Slusher wrote:
It depends on how many bounces he hits on Ulti, but Malphite with similar items is in the ballpark if you don't hit all 3 bounces. Not being able to cc him in ult is by far the biggest problem with Zac and it's going away so I withhold judgement for now.

That is the fun part of zac though. Better to Nerf the lame parts imo.

Carrilord has arrived.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
August 17 2013 22:07 GMT
#5573
yeah, if you are fortunate enough to be able to pick up all of the 4 bloblets you'll just about get the amount of hp you spent to activate the skills in the first place.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 17 2013 22:07 GMT
#5574
That is the boring thought process that gave us todays Olaf. Just make him actually have negative sustain and maybe a bit lower damage.

Freeeeeeedom
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
August 17 2013 22:09 GMT
#5575
Today's olaf was brought to us by nerfing all 4 skills at once.
Carrilord has arrived.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
August 17 2013 22:09 GMT
#5576
I am not arguing for or against any design, I just said that Zac doesn't have all that much innate survivability. Which is fine.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 17 2013 22:13 GMT
#5577
--- Nuked ---
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-17 22:20:15
August 17 2013 22:17 GMT
#5578
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 17 2013 22:20 GMT
#5579
For shame, Scip.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
ProV1
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States980 Posts
August 17 2013 22:23 GMT
#5580
On August 17 2013 20:21 IMoperator wrote:
I'm bored and I looked up a few SC2 pros/personalities whose LoL accounts I know. Maybe some of you will find this interesting. (im gonna skip destiny since everyone knows his lol) if you have more to add just tell me~

Idra: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/39288146#profile (fun fact, I played vs. him in ranked he was taric)

Sheth: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/23916143#profile

CombatEX: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/38611186

coL Trimaster: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/518963#profile

Deezer: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/37156788#profile

Minigun: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/30749590

like I said, if you have any more feel free to tell me.


RootMasa: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/37261076#profile
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