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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
On March 27 2013 02:23 Shikyo wrote: What's the general consensus on Vladimir at this point in time? I played my first game with him in probably like a year and he still felt quite powerful, even though his healing felt significantly weaker. Still, it turns out that Llandry's is insanely good and synergetic on him and completely removes his normal issues with low manage -> I managed to use him in a sustained magic dps role against the opposing tanky team. Are there any specific reasons for me never seeing Vladimir? A friend of mine always insists on playing him but I can't for the life of me remember the last time he didn't get completely destroyed in lane. Top or mid, whatever, he always ends up being useless for the rest of the game. just in case you were wondering | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On March 27 2013 02:36 Eiii wrote: A friend of mine always insists on playing him but I can't for the life of me remember the last time he didn't get completely destroyed in lane. Top or mid, whatever, he always ends up being useless for the rest of the game. just in case you were wondering Well Vlad doesn't fit into every comp because he's not tanky (passive helps but not like elise, diana, ect.) and has no cc, so if your team doesn't provide that he'll be useless. Otherwise he's one of the strongest late game champs with 3 aoe abilities and aoe damage enhancement plus the additional health from your passive. Personally, I play Vlad because I think he's fun ^_^ Take this with a grain of salt because I'm pretty bad, but I've found that Vlad is pretty good spot right now because going 2wards/9pot gives you a ton of leeway early game allowing you to survive till level 7/9 when you start to get strong. The biggest thing to watch out for is early all-ins with fort pot imo. Also, I'm not a big fan of liandry's on Vlad. I think it's best left till one of your last items. Haunting Guise is good but not great imo, I think it's more important to get the core of sorc shoes+dcap+zhonya. Of course it depends on lane, farm ect, ect. One last thing, I've found that Vlad does well in lane a lot of the time, but it's hard to carry your team because they have to provide the front line and cc. Also Vlad isn't very good in short 1v1 engagements. A lot of the time I'll do well in lane, but can't convert the win  Although this is largely why I suck at this game lol | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On March 27 2013 02:36 Eiii wrote: A friend of mine always insists on playing him but I can't for the life of me remember the last time he didn't get completely destroyed in lane. Top or mid, whatever, he always ends up being useless for the rest of the game. just in case you were wondering He has a very easy time against Elise and completely crushes Nidalee in lane. Other than that, a lot of his champs he is good against in lane aren't very popular anymore, and he's weak against champs that have strong gap closers and sticking power - which you see more and more in the champs popular today (J4, Xin, Zed, Vi, etc.). If he gets into the mid/late game without falling behind he's still incredibly strong.but laning isn't as prolonged as it used to be, even in pub games, so you don't really get to farm up as much as you need to. | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Other than that, his mid/late game is still just as good as always, good AoE teamfight, tanky and strong pusher, etc. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 27 2013 02:34 sylverfyre wrote: Who were you laning against? There's a lot of laners right now who just poop on Vlad's vulnerable early game. I've seen him mid more than top, actually... and that isn't saying much (like 1 game mid in my recent memory, vs 0 games top?) Hmm... First game I played vs an AP Nidalee mid, was really easy to stomp her. Second game I played vs Elise top, beat her quite hard but then TF ulted top 4 times in a row and I didn't react properly(I generally push really hard with Vlad) so that kind of screwed me over. Still don't think either of the matchups were a problem. His early game really feels a lot better than it once was... I guess if they are able to be aggressive right from the getgo it's going to be troublesome but starting 9 pots helps... Still need to experiment more, most of my Vlad exp is from like 1.5years ago | ||
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Lounge
537 Posts
I could see him being picked in against like, Nasus or Volibear jungle though if the meta keeps leaning on them, and then suddenly his popularity sky rockets again. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I'm bad with them, but with the popular sustain starts, the fact that it easily pushes the wave and the loss of ArPen later on winning lane feels really hard. Guess I'll just use full consumable starts, try to get a big component + flask on first back, and just farm in those lanes, the more I try to fight like before, the more "powerless" to kill/chase them out I feel. | ||
overt
United States9006 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On March 27 2013 03:16 Lounge wrote: Vlad seems like he should be in a good spot in season 3, due to item changes and different starting combinations he can open with, but his problem is mostly the popular junglers right now give him a hard time. I could see him being picked in against like, Nasus or Volibear jungle though if the meta keeps leaning on them, and then suddenly his popularity sky rockets again. Nasus is actually really hard on Vlad if you don't ward correctly or he bypasses them with a different path. If he gets a Wither off before you go into pool, you can't get anywhere while pooled, rather annoying. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On March 27 2013 02:29 Headshot wrote: I'm about to hit 6300 IP and was wondering if MS quints were still worth it in S3. What champs do you run MS quints on these days? I still run MS quints on junglers and Ryze. | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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Highwayman
United States181 Posts
On March 27 2013 03:28 Requizen wrote: Nasus is actually really hard on Vlad if you don't ward correctly or he bypasses them with a different path. If he gets a Wither off before you go into pool, you can't get anywhere while pooled, rather annoying. Yeah, Nasus has deceptively strong ganks. His move speed isn't the greatest but I find he's one of the most stable overall junglers right now because he scales so well into lategame and doesn't really have a point in the game where he's weak and his clear speed is great when you max E. I put him in a similar category as Hecarim and I wouldn't be surprised to see his general win % really start to go up as people realize this. | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
it's just... he's like the most fun character, and now all of a sudden everyone's all 'ooh jungle nasus ooh lcs ooh he's so viable'. what do you think the endgame is here? I mean, what are you all expecting to happen as a result? Well, I can tell you-- nasus only gets two stacks per q hit again, his whither no longer slows autoattack speed and has two-thirds the duration, his e increases allies' armor instead of reducing enemies', and instead of making him huge his ult makes him tiny. is that the world you want to live in? | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Just think how awesome it would be to be withered with a mouse sized Nasus chasing you. Speaking of Wither, I want them to update the sound on it so that it starts getting louder and louder as the duration goes on and the debuff increases, but only for the client experiencing the debuff. Should be really fucking loud by the end of it. That would be some cool shit. | ||
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
On March 27 2013 01:53 docvoc wrote: I think anyone would be happy to have you DarKFoRcE, I just wish I was good enough  .I dont know, I mean im not that good yet and probably top laners arent as wanted as supports for example =) | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 26 2013 21:04 NeoIllusions wrote: I'll probably make a rally call some time early April to see if we can get some volunteers to finish up the remaining champions who are currently threadless. Once that's done, I can finally ship out that Champion Overview we've been sitting on for a few weeks now. Authoring the threads is a matter of commitment, not so much expertise. If anything, it can even be a learning experience for silver/gold players since I'm willing to discuss with users as they go through the writing process. I'll be free to write some champ overviews after the first week of April, I'll be sure to keep my eyes peeled for this rally call. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On March 27 2013 03:24 overt wrote: I felt like Vlad lost popularity for a lot of the same reasons as Kennen. He just isn't as scary top lane against melee champions anymore and he was never all that scary against mid laners except for back in like S1. Unless you have a really solid lane phase it's hard to abuse Vlad's mid game strength. Combine with the fact that WotA got nerfed and that bruiser items got buffed and it typically makes more sense to run a bruiser top while you typically prefer someone with utility in mid lane. I think it has a lot more to do with mobility creep. Vlad, like kennen beats up every single melee who can't get onto him. His problem is that he essentially has one skill that doesn't hurt himself early on, that is on a very long CD. A lot of champs that can get onto him will outtrade him, and depending on champ, always force pool because 20% of current health is less than what you'd take by just staying. | ||
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