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upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
January 11 2013 21:52 GMT
#7901
Janna and Blitz are pretty strong in ARAM too. Tornado poke takes up like half the moveable area and her ult heals the whole team to full with minimal AP, and Blitz is self-explanatory.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
January 11 2013 21:55 GMT
#7902
On January 12 2013 05:53 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 05:34 arb wrote:
Watching ZionSpartan play nidalee just makes me despise the hero even more
Whats that team losing a fight at baron? Better make sure I PUSH TOP LANE AND LET MY TEAM LOSE2 PEOPLE AND BARON NP.


I played an ARAM last night where between my Nidalee and Miscue's Ziggs we made 3 of the enemy team rage quit within 5 minutes.

Felt bad.


Oh god. I've actually done that alone as nid before lol, but it took like 10 mins total. I had I think 15 kills in about 6 minutes. They literally seemed like they wanted to give every single spear a hug, and then at the end were like "fuck it, nid op in aram herpderp" and all just sat at fountain.

Lux, nid, AP yi, AP ez, AP kog, and other good pokers are reallyyyy fricken strong in aram. I'd say nid is probably the gayest of the gay though. She can alone 1v5 an entire team in aram. and doing 3/4 of your hp with a single spear is kind of retarded when you can't even back, especially when you even have a heal on top of that for your own team. (and never run out of mana ala chalice)
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 21:56:38
January 11 2013 21:55 GMT
#7903
On January 12 2013 06:43 NEOtheONE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 06:21 fishinguy wrote:
On January 12 2013 06:02 Dandel Ion wrote:
On January 12 2013 05:53 Seuss wrote:
On January 12 2013 05:34 arb wrote:
Watching ZionSpartan play nidalee just makes me despise the hero even more
Whats that team losing a fight at baron? Better make sure I PUSH TOP LANE AND LET MY TEAM LOSE2 PEOPLE AND BARON NP.


I played an ARAM last night where between my Nidalee and Miscue's Ziggs we made 3 of the enemy team rage quit within 5 minutes.

Felt bad.

Well duh, that's a super-OP combo

€: esp. since nobody ever builds defense in aram


Who are the best champs for ARAM anyway? I guess people with OP poke like Jayce.

But AP yi must be the most annoying, get 4 people down to half health even before the minions spawn.....


Xerath is pretty good too, as is Ziggs or any caster with good poke. Lux and Nidalee are particularly ridiculous in ARAM. Anivia is pretty legit if you get enough mana regen. ADCs have to have a skill that hits multiple enemies consistently to be effective so Corki, Ezreal, Sivir, and Cait are pretty good. Pantheon and TF are pretty good as well if they start getting fed. Talon snowballs pretty hard in ARAM.


AP Yi is godlike on aram if you have even a half decent team. I like Lux far, far better than nidalee. My best ever game on lux I went like 47/2. Had over 13k gold on me at one point in time. I actually find assassin's to be somewhat bad because you have one avenue of approach. Anivia can be good because it's basically impossible to push against, but lack of blue puts a timer on how much you can stall.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 22:10:15
January 11 2013 22:10 GMT
#7904
On January 12 2013 06:55 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 06:43 NEOtheONE wrote:
On January 12 2013 06:21 fishinguy wrote:
On January 12 2013 06:02 Dandel Ion wrote:
On January 12 2013 05:53 Seuss wrote:
On January 12 2013 05:34 arb wrote:
Watching ZionSpartan play nidalee just makes me despise the hero even more
Whats that team losing a fight at baron? Better make sure I PUSH TOP LANE AND LET MY TEAM LOSE2 PEOPLE AND BARON NP.


I played an ARAM last night where between my Nidalee and Miscue's Ziggs we made 3 of the enemy team rage quit within 5 minutes.

Felt bad.

Well duh, that's a super-OP combo

€: esp. since nobody ever builds defense in aram


Who are the best champs for ARAM anyway? I guess people with OP poke like Jayce.

But AP yi must be the most annoying, get 4 people down to half health even before the minions spawn.....


Xerath is pretty good too, as is Ziggs or any caster with good poke. Lux and Nidalee are particularly ridiculous in ARAM. Anivia is pretty legit if you get enough mana regen. ADCs have to have a skill that hits multiple enemies consistently to be effective so Corki, Ezreal, Sivir, and Cait are pretty good. Pantheon and TF are pretty good as well if they start getting fed. Talon snowballs pretty hard in ARAM.


AP Yi is godlike on aram if you have even a half decent team. I like Lux far, far better than nidalee. My best ever game on lux I went like 47/2. Had over 13k gold on me at one point in time. I actually find assassin's to be somewhat bad because you have one avenue of approach. Anivia can be good because it's basically impossible to push against, but lack of blue puts a timer on how much you can stall.

That's why you just built tear and chalice lol I almost always invest heavily in mana on ARAMs.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
January 11 2013 23:01 GMT
#7905
What was Valkrin of FG's old name? I know he mains Pantheon and his name is on the tip of my tongue
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 23:16:07
January 11 2013 23:10 GMT
#7906
whats best rune page for jungle xin, some people say AS marks are the way to go others say ad are fine, also which quints to use ms or ad? i ask because i checked diamondprox rune pages and he has one called tin tao with arm pen marks and ad quints which confuses me because i could swear some time ago when i was checking his rune pages he had 10 % AS in there
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
January 11 2013 23:24 GMT
#7907
On January 12 2013 08:01 MooMooMugi wrote:
What was Valkrin of FG's old name? I know he mains Pantheon and his name is on the tip of my tongue

Are you thinking of Arch Angeloid? I didn't know they were the same person. I know that Arch Angeloid and Azingy duo'd and made a team together a long time ago but I thought Valkrin was someone else entirely.
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 23:49:46
January 11 2013 23:24 GMT
#7908
ARAM tier list, made by Dandelimentz(tm):

ALWAYS PENTA NEVER NOT PENTA tier:
Master Yi

OP AS BALLS tier:
Jayce, Nidalee, Soraka, Ziggs, Kha'zix, TF, Lux

relatively OP tier:
Xerath, Anivia, Janna, Sona, Mundo, Caitlyn, Ezreal, MF, Amumu, Nami

Viable tier:
Everything else

Dodge tier:
Udyr
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
January 11 2013 23:27 GMT
#7909
How do I deal with a high DPS jungler like Darius, Fiddle, Lee etc as Maokai when my lanes go full retard? How do I protect my lanes and help them win? So fkin frustrating, I'm like the only one with any defensive items and the underfarmed underleveled lanes still try to get their BT for 50 minutes (might be exaggerated!) instead of building some EHP. Need to stop the enemies from snowballing.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 11 2013 23:29 GMT
#7910
On January 12 2013 08:24 Dandel Ion wrote:
ARAM tier list, made by Dandelimentz(tm):

ALWAYS PENTA NEVER NOT PENTA tier:
Master Yi

OP AS BALLS tier:
Jayce, Nidalee, Soraka, Ziggs, Kha'zix, TF, Lux

relatively OP tier:
Xerath, Anivia, Janna, Sona, Mundo, Caitlyn, Ezreal, MF, Amumu

Viable tier:
Everything else

Dodge tier:
Udyr

That seems about right, basically poke is king in ARAMs
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
January 11 2013 23:33 GMT
#7911
On January 12 2013 08:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 08:24 Dandel Ion wrote:
ARAM tier list, made by Dandelimentz(tm):

ALWAYS PENTA NEVER NOT PENTA tier:
Master Yi

OP AS BALLS tier:
Jayce, Nidalee, Soraka, Ziggs, Kha'zix, TF, Lux

relatively OP tier:
Xerath, Anivia, Janna, Sona, Mundo, Caitlyn, Ezreal, MF, Amumu

Viable tier:
Everything else

Dodge tier:
Udyr

That seems about right, basically poke is king in ARAMs

of course. I take tier lists very seriously. I wouldn't troll with a tier list.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 11 2013 23:38 GMT
#7912
You left out Teemo.

How could you leave out Teemo?
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
January 11 2013 23:40 GMT
#7913
Udyr isn't that bad in aram. He's just boring as fuck to me.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
January 11 2013 23:42 GMT
#7914
On January 12 2013 08:38 Seuss wrote:
You left out Teemo.

How could you leave out Teemo?

Teemo is on the list. :O

under "viable".
A backwards poet writes inverse.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 11 2013 23:44 GMT
#7915
On January 12 2013 08:01 MooMooMugi wrote:
What was Valkrin of FG's old name? I know he mains Pantheon and his name is on the tip of my tongue


u r donk.

Valkrin is Valkrin. He's been the same name since beta. You're thinking of someone else I assume.
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BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 23:48:58
January 11 2013 23:46 GMT
#7916
It is kind of weird how AP Nasus is actually viable and the best build for him in ARAM. Used to think he was Udyr bad, but he is decent.

Initiation Champs are still very useful in Arams like Blitz, Malphite and Singed. When I got Swain for example I found it was best to max his W to catch people rather than focusing on doing damage. Heimer is also great in Arams especially if the other team has no AD carries.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 23:48:24
January 11 2013 23:47 GMT
#7917
Lux is > Yi. Yi gets useless against a team with a little cc, everyone of lux's skills would make her a good aram champ if that's all she had, lol. Also Nami is better than Raka. Her heal is just as spammable, better in a fight, and she brings actual good cc that takes up the entire screen in an aram.
Remember Violet.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
January 11 2013 23:49 GMT
#7918
On January 12 2013 08:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Lux is > Yi. Yi gets useless against a team with a little cc, everyone of lux's skills would make her a good aram champ if that's all she had, lol. Also Nami is better than Raka. Her heal is just as spammable, better in a fight, and she brings actual good cc that takes up the entire screen in an aram.

Lux might be OP as balls, but she not always penta.
Yi ALWAYS penta.

I forgot the nami, she's gonna go to relative OP tier.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
January 11 2013 23:50 GMT
#7919
On January 12 2013 08:24 Dandel Ion wrote:
ARAM tier list, made by Dandelimentz(tm):

ALWAYS PENTA NEVER NOT PENTA tier:
Master Yi

OP AS BALLS tier:
Jayce, Nidalee, Soraka, Ziggs, Kha'zix, TF, Lux

relatively OP tier:
Xerath, Anivia, Janna, Sona, Mundo, Caitlyn, Ezreal, MF, Amumu

Viable tier:
Everything else

Dodge tier:
Udyr


Looks pretty good to me, I must say though I think Gragas belongs in OP AS BALLS. His long range poke and his ult's ability to get people out from under tower are just so strong.
I got nothin'...
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
January 11 2013 23:53 GMT
#7920
Wheres katarina in the "always penta never not penta" tier?
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