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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 31 2012 09:51 GMT
#1381
Jax's E would prevent autos and W to apply passive stacks, I guess, and he can disengage with Leapstrike, but that would force him to play very defensively to keep his spells up, and even then Jax is better in drawn-out fights where Darius' passive shine, and his ult isn't mitigated by anything. I dunno, I didn't play against Darius at all yet (except on a level 6 smurf, and I was in another lane every time) but it seems like Jax would at best have a rough time, especially early levels.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
May 31 2012 10:01 GMT
#1382
On May 31 2012 18:51 Alaric wrote:
Jax's E would prevent autos and W to apply passive stacks, I guess, and he can disengage with Leapstrike, but that would force him to play very defensively to keep his spells up, and even then Jax is better in drawn-out fights where Darius' passive shine, and his ult isn't mitigated by anything. I dunno, I didn't play against Darius at all yet (except on a level 6 smurf, and I was in another lane every time) but it seems like Jax would at best have a rough time, especially early levels.

Played against a jax once, we were pretty even but eventually he got some big items and then it's just jax you know.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 11:53:53
May 31 2012 10:04 GMT
#1383
lets's take this to the Darius thread ^

Unrelated:
Saintvicious bashing HotShot jungle on his stream, it's pretty funny.
''Do you realize you have only ONE pink ward? THE greatest jungler HotShotGG will come and gank you.''
''Hotshot has 3 kills? What the fuck, how did that even happen?''
currently rooting for myself.
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
May 31 2012 12:04 GMT
#1384
Why isn't tryn seen more in high elo play? He still seems like a fking monster, especially once he starts snowballing.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 31 2012 12:06 GMT
#1385
Because you burst him, he ults, you cc him, he weeps. Basically.
Also a lot of champs beat him top lane (I've still seen a Tryndamere with TP do nothing but splitpush and he managed to farm thus even tho I beat him soundly in lane because the rest of the team lost and thus couldn't 4v4, but none except me could go stop Tryn 1v1 either).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
May 31 2012 12:16 GMT
#1386
On May 31 2012 21:04 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Why isn't tryn seen more in high elo play? He still seems like a fking monster, especially once he starts snowballing.

Because his role is filled better by others. If you want someone who just splitpushs the shit out of a lane, pick Nidalee, if you want a lategame monster, pick Jax. At no point in my last 100 champ selects I felt like ''damn, thank god I can pick Trynd in this situation''
currently rooting for myself.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
May 31 2012 12:46 GMT
#1387
On May 31 2012 18:00 Shiv. wrote:
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On May 31 2012 17:06 PrinceXizor wrote:
On May 31 2012 17:02 JackDino wrote:
On May 31 2012 17:01 PrinceXizor wrote:
On May 31 2012 17:00 PeZuY wrote:
Do tell, what is the best pick against Darius:X

i like talon personally.

Can't darius just Q you when you try to W him, and even pull you? He should win every auto trade.

you can catch W at an angle that darius can't respond to it but it's at the corner of the arc not directly in front. if he goes to pull you, it's pretty obvious, and you can just silence him and run, once you both hit 6, darius should NEVER be able to do anything. since your ult allows you to take half his life for free, and is on such a low CD. Also, being able to just W a wave and clear it means you can ignore darius altogether for parts of the game, which severely hurts him, since in order for him to get cs he has to put himself in W range, which you will be using to clear the waves anyway. as for auto attack trades, attack Q after a W for talon will deal more than attack W after pull for darius.

How do you ever get a single CS? Also, how do you deal with him just pulling you after the silence wore off? There's nothing stopping him from just following you.

Talon is great against a lot of AP champions because most of them lack the tools to punish you for E-AA-Q-Wing them. Darius can simply wreak havoc on you after your combo and there's little you can do. Also, I'd like to see how your ultimate takes half of his health and how that would be relevant with it being on a 75s CD at 6.

You can't clear waves with your W for a long time, and even if you could, you lack the mana to do so frequently if you ever plan on fighting Darius.

Not sure what to say. I thought it was pretty common knowledge a lot of bruisers flat out counter Talon because of their tendency to build armor. What are you going to do after he got Tabi+Wriggle's?


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On May 31 2012 17:09 PrinceXizor wrote:
On May 31 2012 17:08 iCanada wrote:
I think it was 5HIT that said Shyvana wrecks Darius, and in the 1 time I've played the matchup as Shyshy, this held true.

yep, any character that has good disengages, can kite, or can clear waves rapidly hurt darius. he has so many bad match-ups top.I feel he won't be viable for long up there, still decent in the jungle i guess.

Please name 3 of those matchups. Yorick excluded, because fuck that guy. I can see Kennen winning easily, but then again, Kennen has no BAD matchups per say. I'm genuinely interested, because you seem to have no issues with Darius while the rest of the world is complaining about his retarded laning phase against Melees.

I still think Rivens really strong against him
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 31 2012 12:49 GMT
#1388
Well who isn't Riven strong against, apart from Kennen?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
May 31 2012 13:02 GMT
#1389
On May 31 2012 21:49 Alaric wrote:
Well who isn't Riven strong against, apart from Kennen?

Olaf if you're as bad as me at timing your E against his E, and Kayle. Unless your name is goldfather8, I'd say Kayle is a really tough matchup for Riven.
currently rooting for myself.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 31 2012 13:28 GMT
#1390
On May 31 2012 21:04 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Why isn't tryn seen more in high elo play? He still seems like a fking monster, especially once he starts snowballing.

I saw a tourney where he was picked (can't remember the team), and the casters kept saying how smart of a pick it was and how Trynd would carry once he got some items. Long story short, Trynd got shut down in lane, did diddly squat all game, and their team lost. He has his moments, but he has plenty of weaknesses to take advantage of.

It's your boy Guzma!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 31 2012 13:34 GMT
#1391
Didn't Alex ich play Trynd mid some games and carried hard?
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13830 Posts
May 31 2012 13:38 GMT
#1392
froggen and hotshot streaming? how do I pick for that.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 31 2012 13:47 GMT
#1393
On May 31 2012 22:34 Numy wrote:
Didn't Alex ich play Trynd mid some games and carried hard?

Mid Trynd is good if you get the right pick, because he can crap on people with low mobility or who can't burst him down. There are plenty of mids who would do well against him, but not as many as there are tops who can lane against him.
It's your boy Guzma!
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
May 31 2012 14:15 GMT
#1394
TPA vs WE right now
http://clgaming.net/live/6832-garenatw
Torchise
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada245 Posts
May 31 2012 14:38 GMT
#1395
Heads up for those who use Solomid.net: their website got hacked.

Their homepage itself seems normal, but clicking on any of the links redirect you to another website (hacking.rs). I got NoScript on my browser so I think I'm okay.
The baylife, it burns!
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 15:03:08
May 31 2012 14:51 GMT
#1396
I personally would just choose Irelia every time I face a Darius, but then again I'm comfortable playing Irelia against any top laner in the ELO I'm currently in, and since I don't have that much experience facing him, I can't say for sure what's good against him.

To be honest, just get jungler to gank for you early. Darius will inherently just push if he wants to bully you and if he doesn't bully you then that's on him.

Though....I guess I also have to say that if you're solo queuing then you might not be able to rely on those ganks.....
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 31 2012 15:08 GMT
#1397
On May 31 2012 23:51 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I personally would just choose Irelia every time I face a Darius, but then again I'm comfortable playing Irelia against any top laner in the ELO I'm currently in, and since I don't have that much experience facing him, I can't say for sure what's good against him.

To be honest, just get jungler to gank for you early. Darius will inherently just push if he wants to bully you and if he doesn't bully you then that's on him.

Though....I guess I also have to say that if you're solo queuing then you might not be able to rely on those ganks.....

I've seen a lot of Irelias get wrecked by Darius, and others do well. It's an odd matchup, because she has more staying power and CC, while he can burst her down in a combo with a couple items.

As a jungler, ganking Darius is actually really easy early on, until he starts getting tankier or stacks AD, at which point you risk a double kill top. I try to shut him down and grab some armor.
It's your boy Guzma!
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
May 31 2012 15:17 GMT
#1398
In my experience, without the ulti Darius is not as strong as Irelia trading but that might just be because the Darius's I've played have been bad. It's just the ulti that I have to calculate in because it's like a mega Olaf true damage burst thingy.

And the reason why I say gank early is because Darius will want to bully me (if I pick Irelia) early, which means my E will stun, and if the jungler has good enough cc/bursty spells, it shouldn't be that hard. If I can get a kill, I'd like to think that I don't lose the advantage easily.

/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
May 31 2012 15:24 GMT
#1399
On May 31 2012 23:15 beefhamburger wrote:
TPA vs WE right now
http://clgaming.net/live/6832-garenatw



I don't understand chinese (i'd assume that's the language they're speaking), but man you could hear how they made fun of toyz not hitting anybody with that galio ult :p
hi
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 16:03:20
May 31 2012 16:02 GMT
#1400
After getting Fizz finally i am something like 10-1 in normals the only hard lane vs so far is Morde. People don't know how to play against him worth shit. By far the best situational pick imo.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
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