EPTI don't have Malz, so whenever I see him I just counterpick lanewick and get 2 philos. gg.
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
I don't have Malz, so whenever I see him I just counterpick lanewick and get 2 philos. gg. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
Took me 1-2 minutes to find. Your redtracker/google fu is weak. Also, Veigar counters Vlad. :3 | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21247 Posts
On June 17 2011 04:17 Seuss wrote: "Rumble is OP too, generally.": http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=10003955#post10003955 Took me 1-2 minutes to find. Your redtracker/google fu is weak. Also, Veigar counters Vlad. :3 Then they send their Vlad to another lane and you cry cause Veigar gets shat on by everyone else T_T Veigar doesn't even counter Vlad, it's more like, Vlad doesn't rape Veigar cause they both just play super passive in the early levels. It's more of a tied lane. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On June 17 2011 03:49 0123456789 wrote: Is there any post from a red saying that Rumble is getting nerfed? If there is, thanks. "We are probably going to nerf Rumble, though not due to bigfatlp streaming him. We had nerfed his cooldown on Q last patch because he was dominating lanes too easily. Like with Gragas, Galio, Nunu, Malzahar, Janna, and many others, the European server is generally ahead of the curve on the real "OP" champions. Rumble has been a tournament-ban and tournament-pick champion since his release, he's a bit too strong, and we're probably going to nerf him." - Phreak http://www.facebook.com/notes/leaguecraft/rumble-to-be-nerfed/226050710746623 | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
On June 17 2011 04:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Then they send their Vlad to another lane and you cry cause Veigar gets shat on by everyone else T_T Veigar doesn't even counter Vlad, it's more like, Vlad doesn't rape Veigar cause they both just play super passive in the early levels. It's more of a tied lane. er... can't you just send veigar to that lane, then? | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
veigar is probably the least-played champ though, so we can draw from this that veigar is not a counter to vlad | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On June 17 2011 04:34 Zato-1 wrote: "We are probably going to nerf Rumble, though not due to bigfatlp streaming him. We had nerfed his cooldown on Q last patch because he was dominating lanes too easily. Like with Gragas, Galio, Nunu, Malzahar, Janna, and many others, the European server is generally ahead of the curve on the real "OP" champions. Rumble has been a tournament-ban and tournament-pick champion since his release, he's a bit too strong, and we're probably going to nerf him." - Phreak http://www.facebook.com/notes/leaguecraft/rumble-to-be-nerfed/226050710746623 Dun buy it. Euros are good at finding champions who work well when supported in a team atmosphere. In other words, finding champs that work well together. I dont think that those are "real 'op' champions" like phreak says, they are champions that excel a given circumstance, and often riot takes it upon themselves to nerf them unnecessarily. They seem to forget that certain champions do certain things better than others. Euros pick the ones out that do this in a team atmosphere, US finds the ones who are abusable in solo q. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
a) I play someone who is very strong at early levels (any AD, most APs) and I can beat/zone/out-cs the crap out of him before he hits revolver and lvl 7+, then use my advantage early to go into the same freefarm-mode as he does. b) I play someone who scales similar to him (Anivia, Akali and, worst case, Veigar come to mind) and enjoy having an easy time on early levels (and I might STILL be able to do the stuff from a) with the first two) and enjoy that I can't get fucked up on later levels because no one abused my early game weakness. Yes, he can come back from being horribly behind. Yes, he will completely fuck you up if you trade harass after he entered "Freefarm-mode". Yes, he will buttrape you and you entire team if you fucked up and didn't abuse his horrible early game. ---> He isn't retarded batshit OP, he just requires specific strategies and a solid understanding of how he works. Which also means, playing Vlad takes way less skill than playing against Vlad. It would be nice to find a solution that doesn't make him unkillable post lvl 9 / spellvamp / CDR boots but i doubt it's possible to find one without a revamp or completely breaking him. tldr; Vlad = awesome pubstomper. If he's retardedly op, why isn't he autoban in tournaments? /end discussion. | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
Even if Rumble is stronger than Vlad I would much prefer to see Vlad nerfed, because while Rumble might have a fuckton of damage he can't just decide to go invincible for 2 seconds any time after level 2 and at least has to spend money to gain infinite health off of his abilities. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23362 Posts
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entko-
United States34 Posts
If he's retardedly op, why isn't he autoban in tournaments? /end discussion except the fact that he is almost always picked or banned | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 17 2011 05:12 r.Evo wrote: If he's retardedly op, why isn't he autoban in tournaments? /end discussion. uh if you read any of Morello's posts you'd see that he WAS auto-ban/pick in exactly 100% of esl tourney games. and more anecdotal evidence, we ban him every single game as well (in a 6-ban setting. i think TF and vayne are slightly more powerful and annoying so in a 4-ban setting we ban those two first) | ||
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 17 2011 05:38 Goshawk. wrote: There's a pretty big difference to a champion being PICKED and banned and always being banned. Vlad being first picked suggests that the other team believe they can get sufficient compensation for it. no? it means that there are other champs that are even more bullshit than vlad... Alistar, TF, vayne are all capable of causing even more trouble than vlad does. just because there are 6 champs more banworthy than vlad doesn't mean he's not banworthy himself, all it means is that those champs need a nerf too -_- | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
Going on right now - currently recruiting. Talk to spinesheath for more info. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On June 17 2011 04:55 gtrsrs wrote: if veigar was a counter to vlad, a popular champion, veigar would see more play veigar is probably the least-played champ though, so we can draw from this that veigar is not a counter to vlad Sarcasm? This is the same logic that put Eve and Corki in the UP category for ages. #1 Veigar vs Vlad strategy. Vlad goes top and gets fed, you go bottom and feed. Then in the midgame 1 shot Vlad because he has a bajillion AP, collect all the gold bonuses, carry to victory. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On June 17 2011 01:04 byFd wrote: what does that do? is it an ingame setting or what?^^ I wrote long post trying to explain this but my english is too bad. So instead i used this cool site called google.com and without any problems found this link: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Mice-Hardware/Enhance-pointer-precision-option/td-p/154418. Use google, it helps  Speaking of Vlad, he is one of these victims of bad champion design, like eve or nocturne. They are really hard (if at all possible) to balance, for most champions fixing their numbers is ok - because in their dmg/cd/whatever lies the problem, however for these "bad design" champions changing their numbers won't help because it isn't the problem. The problem is that their abilities are VERY unique - it's kinda hard to balance abilities that are just annoying no matter the damage/cooldown that comes with them (like no matter how balanced vlad's damage output and healing would be, he will always be this asshole with uber-zhonyas that allows him to move while also healing himself and slowing and damaging enemies) | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21247 Posts
On June 17 2011 04:51 APurpleCow wrote: er... can't you just send veigar to that lane, then? Veigar's really really bad in top lane. | ||
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
On June 17 2011 05:43 gtrsrs wrote: no? it means that there are other champs that are even more bullshit than vlad... Alistar, TF, vayne are all capable of causing even more trouble than vlad does. just because there are 6 champs more banworthy than vlad doesn't mean he's not banworthy himself, all it means is that those champs need a nerf too -_- Well, vlad isn't as OP as people are saying he is then, especially if they are 6 other champs more OP than him. :p | ||
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