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Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
April 02 2011 02:13 GMT
#11221
CLG back to serious business for game 2. Chauster/Kobe in, Saint/Doublelift out.
Zero fighting.
Nehsb
Profile Joined May 2009
United States380 Posts
April 02 2011 02:13 GMT
#11222
On April 02 2011 11:08 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 11:06 Nehsb wrote:
On April 02 2011 11:02 Shikyo wrote:
Irelia passive confusing casters.

CLG getting crushed because of no deeps because of Alistar/Janna uselessness and a MUCH MUCH MUCH better lineup for Low ELO, AND they'll only get stronger in the lategame.


GGs would come soon if that was usual in LoL, but game's over anyway.


IMO CLG team comp was fine, they're just getting completely outplayed :/

Everyone getting caught so much vs. a chain stun team.

Really? I disagree(Janna + Alistar + 2.5 dps, not enough deeps to kill 3 tanky deeps), but yeah they got outplayed as well.


Also yeah I don't get why doublelift would play Alistar, he can only play like.. Blitz and Irelia.


Their plan seemed just to be get to lategame in shape.

I don't understand where Irelia OP lategame came from, she feels like singed: weakish 1-6, strong midgame, only decent lategame. Sion falls off somewhat lategame. Olaf is really strong once he's farmed.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 02:16:25
April 02 2011 02:15 GMT
#11223
On April 02 2011 11:12 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 11:02 Shikyo wrote:
Irelia passive confusing casters.

CLG getting crushed because of no deeps because of Alistar/Janna uselessness and a MUCH MUCH MUCH better lineup for Low ELO, AND they'll only get stronger in the lategame.


GGs would come soon if that was usual in LoL, but game's over anyway.

Funny how HazMat always argues with me and then leaves when he realizes I was right.

Sorry was talking to people bro. Alright time to argue with Europeans.

Not sure if you could tell but Doublelift completely failed that game. He didn't land headbutts, didn't counter jungle, and his teamfighting was also terrible. They lost the baron fight and the game because he ended up using his pulvarize on fucking Amumu who just ended up flash -> bandage > ulti. I can't believe you're comparing Irelia to Ashe when they have Corki on their team. I do agree Janna + alistar not best choice, especially when sion is sidelaning and got first blood advantage because saint facechecked into 5 (lolwut) and got complete freefarm. But CLG didn't lose because of being outpicked, they got outplayed.

Oh btw, the point was more about terrible lanes... Actually, I think Alistar solomid Ashe + Janna with Malzahar solo would have been totally fine. o.O I think they got kind of outpicked and yeah you're right, Doublelift failed alot. =P

On April 02 2011 11:13 Nehsb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 11:08 Shikyo wrote:
On April 02 2011 11:06 Nehsb wrote:
On April 02 2011 11:02 Shikyo wrote:
Irelia passive confusing casters.

CLG getting crushed because of no deeps because of Alistar/Janna uselessness and a MUCH MUCH MUCH better lineup for Low ELO, AND they'll only get stronger in the lategame.


GGs would come soon if that was usual in LoL, but game's over anyway.


IMO CLG team comp was fine, they're just getting completely outplayed :/

Everyone getting caught so much vs. a chain stun team.

Really? I disagree(Janna + Alistar + 2.5 dps, not enough deeps to kill 3 tanky deeps), but yeah they got outplayed as well.


Also yeah I don't get why doublelift would play Alistar, he can only play like.. Blitz and Irelia.


Their plan seemed just to be get to lategame in shape.

I don't understand where Irelia OP lategame came from, she feels like singed: weakish 1-6, strong midgame, only decent lategame. Sion falls off somewhat lategame. Olaf is really strong once he's farmed.

Irelia's like one of the very hardest carries o.O esp with this tank meta
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
April 02 2011 02:17 GMT
#11224
Actually, I think Alistar solomid Ashe + Janna with Malzahar solo would have been totally fine.


Yeah, let me put that Alistar mid v Irelia.

Owait
Nehsb
Profile Joined May 2009
United States380 Posts
April 02 2011 02:18 GMT
#11225
On April 02 2011 11:15 Shikyo wrote:
Irelia's like one of the very hardest carries o.O esp with this tank meta


Could just be I've never seen a good Irelia, but irelia still gets killed pretty quickly lategame and is melee and countered by janna, etc.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 02 2011 02:20 GMT
#11226
On April 02 2011 11:17 dnastyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
Actually, I think Alistar solomid Ashe + Janna with Malzahar solo would have been totally fine.


Yeah, let me put that Alistar mid v Irelia.

Owait
What's wrong with that? Englighten me please.

On April 02 2011 11:18 Nehsb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 11:15 Shikyo wrote:
Irelia's like one of the very hardest carries o.O esp with this tank meta


Could just be I've never seen a good Irelia, but irelia still gets killed pretty quickly lategame and is melee and countered by janna, etc.

Janna ulti -> blink in, janna slow -> over in 0.2 secs..knockup yeah.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 02 2011 02:22 GMT
#11227
Should move this to the ESL thread mebbe.
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Nehsb
Profile Joined May 2009
United States380 Posts
April 02 2011 02:23 GMT
#11228
On April 02 2011 11:20 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 11:15 Shikyo wrote:
Irelia's like one of the very hardest carries o.O esp with this tank meta


Could just be I've never seen a good Irelia, but irelia still gets killed pretty quickly lategame and is melee and countered by janna, etc.

Janna ulti -> blink in, janna slow -> over in 0.2 secs..knockup yeah. [/QUOTE]

Blinking in after janna ult doesn't let you get on ashe though. And ashe + malzahar will kill you fairly quickly.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 02:27:38
April 02 2011 02:25 GMT
#11229
On April 02 2011 11:23 Nehsb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 11:20 Shikyo wrote:
On April 02 2011 11:18 Nehsb wrote:
On April 02 2011 11:15 Shikyo wrote:
Irelia's like one of the very hardest carries o.O esp with this tank meta


Could just be I've never seen a good Irelia, but irelia still gets killed pretty quickly lategame and is melee and countered by janna, etc.

Janna ulti -> blink in, janna slow -> over in 0.2 secs..knockup yeah.


Blinking in after janna ult doesn't let you get on ashe though. And ashe + malzahar will kill you fairly quickly.

I have no idea how you build an irelia who dies quickly.

learn to quote
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Nehsb
Profile Joined May 2009
United States380 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 02:28:43
April 02 2011 02:28 GMT
#11230
On April 02 2011 11:25 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 11:23 Nehsb wrote:
On April 02 2011 11:20 Shikyo wrote:
On April 02 2011 11:15 Shikyo wrote:
Irelia's like one of the very hardest carries o.O esp with this tank meta


Could just be I've never seen a good Irelia, but irelia still gets killed pretty quickly lategame and is melee and countered by janna, etc.

Janna ulti -> blink in, janna slow -> over in 0.2 secs..knockup yeah.


Blinking in after janna ult doesn't let you get on ashe though. And ashe + malzahar will kill you fairly quickly.

I have no idea how you build an irelia who dies quickly. [/QUOTE]

Assuming your only damage is triforce, you still won't be tanky enough to not die in a few seconds at ~35 minutes.

Edit: Going to calculate some numbers.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 02:36:46
April 02 2011 02:32 GMT
#11231
with a standard build of HoG, Lantern, Triforce, Visage, Mercs you'll have like 160 armor 100+ mres with about 2600 hp o-o

You're underestimating her ulti, I tested it on a minion wave at lvl 18 and it healed me for a total of 2400

CLG has a LOT nicer 3 picks this time. Irelia is banned, but Low Elo going for a similiar style of a lineup as in the last game - a lot of tankyness. Vlad is a new, interesting addition and Malphite to help Amumu pown teamfights.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
April 02 2011 02:36 GMT
#11232
hahaha loco trolling :D
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Nehsb
Profile Joined May 2009
United States380 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 02:38:44
April 02 2011 02:38 GMT
#11233
If I didn't mess anything up Ashe should kill 2600 hp 160 armor pretty slowly. I don't know why ashe kills my 3000 hp 200 armor singed so fast then :/

Ezreal!
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
April 02 2011 02:48 GMT
#11234
On April 02 2011 10:20 HazMat wrote:
[image loading]
O spiderland you so silly.


I couldn't win posting ridiculous KDA scores on WW, so this was the next logical step

where is the justice

it's my first day
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
April 02 2011 02:54 GMT
#11235
Why Blitz? I don't see CLG being out of position at all, and Blitz is pretty bad late game. I was thinking Singed would have been a much better pick if they wanted CC and a tank and an initiator.
Whaaaa?
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
April 02 2011 02:58 GMT
#11236
wow, CLG looking really solid right now
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 02 2011 03:01 GMT
#11237
On April 02 2011 11:48 myopia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 10:20 HazMat wrote:
[image loading]
O spiderland you so silly.


I couldn't win posting ridiculous KDA scores on WW, so this was the next logical step

where is the justice


Yo you lost a Kat game. Still averaging 13 kills though.
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dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
April 02 2011 03:01 GMT
#11238
On April 02 2011 11:20 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 11:17 dnastyx wrote:
Actually, I think Alistar solomid Ashe + Janna with Malzahar solo would have been totally fine.


Yeah, let me put that Alistar mid v Irelia.

Owait
What's wrong with that? Englighten me please.

Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 11:18 Nehsb wrote:
On April 02 2011 11:15 Shikyo wrote:
Irelia's like one of the very hardest carries o.O esp with this tank meta


Could just be I've never seen a good Irelia, but irelia still gets killed pretty quickly lategame and is melee and countered by janna, etc.

Janna ulti -> blink in, janna slow -> over in 0.2 secs..knockup yeah.


Are you really that bad that you think cow can hold a lane v Irelia? Especially mid? Not to mention how worthless farm is on cow compared to Ashe, and how you want to lane ashe + janna v taric + sion.

lol....
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
April 02 2011 03:31 GMT
#11239
i think you vastly underestimate solo mid cow, as well as how 'weak' you assume cow will be. the reason ppl think that cow shouldnt get farm is that he has such a high function with minimal farm that he is able to cede all farm to the other bot laner without being a detriment to the team later on. On the other hand, triforce/ghostblade ali does insane amounts of dmg, as does deathcap/lichbane ali.

the reason ppl dont play cow like this is that a) you can have 3 farm dependent champs in lanes getting all the farm they could ever want, b) roaming alistar is extremely potent, again touching on how well he allows his other teammates to farm, and c) ali without items is still a very dangerous champ

tldr, ppl saying that farmed cow is worthless dont know what they talking about

ps, janna/ashe lane is pretty damn strong too, certainly can compete with a taric/sion lane, they have a looot of kiting power and super long ranged dmg
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 02 2011 03:43 GMT
#11240
On April 02 2011 12:01 dnastyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 11:20 Shikyo wrote:
On April 02 2011 11:17 dnastyx wrote:
Actually, I think Alistar solomid Ashe + Janna with Malzahar solo would have been totally fine.


Yeah, let me put that Alistar mid v Irelia.

Owait
What's wrong with that? Englighten me please.

On April 02 2011 11:18 Nehsb wrote:
On April 02 2011 11:15 Shikyo wrote:
Irelia's like one of the very hardest carries o.O esp with this tank meta


Could just be I've never seen a good Irelia, but irelia still gets killed pretty quickly lategame and is melee and countered by janna, etc.

Janna ulti -> blink in, janna slow -> over in 0.2 secs..knockup yeah.


Are you really that bad that you think cow can hold a lane v Irelia? Especially mid? Not to mention how worthless farm is on cow compared to Ashe, and how you want to lane ashe + janna v taric + sion.

lol....
You didn't enlighten me at all, "it doesn't work because I say so" really doesn't cut it. Their lineup was what it was. How on earth does Irelia beat Alistar solo mid?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
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