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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
January 15 2011 15:55 GMT
#4021
So I was forced to lane against a kennen. Is there anyway for it to not suck? Even with my super irelia regen build i was getting harassed to the point of just wanting to altf4 out of the game and take the leave.


tl;dr

what should you aim for when laning against a solo kennen?
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-15 16:46:56
January 15 2011 16:46 GMT
#4022
not getting rolled

hate that guy in lane, can't kill him, can't gank him, just farm as best you can
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
January 15 2011 16:52 GMT
#4023
against kennen I try to be better at skill shots, not be near my creeps to force him to choose who to lightning, and hope that he lightning's creeps so that the lane pushes.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
January 15 2011 17:02 GMT
#4024
On January 16 2011 00:55 Phrost wrote:
So I was forced to lane against a kennen. Is there anyway for it to not suck? Even with my super irelia regen build i was getting harassed to the point of just wanting to altf4 out of the game and take the leave.


tl;dr

what should you aim for when laning against a solo kennen?


the only person I can beat kennen with is malphite, your best bet is to play aggressive early and hope he blows his summoner trying to kill you, then back and come to lane with a bunch of hp pots and one of two things will happen. 1 he'll harass you and you'll shrug it off and farm, or 2 he'll see that you have 63 health pots and not bother harassig you and you'll both just farm. I also like to push the lane against kennen and back frequently to buy MR. At level 10 irelia can beat kennen if kennen doesn't have his giants belt
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-15 17:12:33
January 15 2011 17:06 GMT
#4025
Don't forget LoL customizing software!

http://liquidlol.wikispaces.com/Software

The two best of course are the mastery saver (new addition!) and recommended item changer
iaeuy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States249 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-15 18:30:32
January 15 2011 18:29 GMT
#4026
Edit: spoke too soon
Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
January 15 2011 20:05 GMT
#4027
You can actually fight kennen with Irelia I think, not sure never really laned against Irelia.

But as long as you keep your farm at a decent lvl and get your mercury threads as first item you should be relatively "fine".
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
January 15 2011 20:59 GMT
#4028
Kennen's my main. The best champs against him are those that can sit in creeps and hit him. Kass is OK, but only once he hits level 5 or so and his Q is mana efficient. Same with Malph. Corki's Q is another good skill against Kennen, and gatling gun let's Corki win the toe-to-toe fights. Anivia is sorta a draw. Vlad is good, but only at level 7 or 9, earlier on he has to be really careful (this matchup is usually a draw in my experience). You can even do ok with someone like Ashe if you're really, really good, by sitting in creeps to block shurikens and using autoattacks. But the best you're getting in that case is probably, again, a draw (and depending on items/summoners, Ashe/Trist/Sivir may just autolose to Ken).
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
January 15 2011 21:09 GMT
#4029
the fact that the only ones that can do well against kennen are
kass
corki
malph
anivia
vlad

says something about the state of this game
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
January 15 2011 21:15 GMT
#4030
revive/clarity trundle carry

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/7871/trundled.jpg
Brees on in
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 15 2011 21:20 GMT
#4031
On January 16 2011 06:09 Caller wrote:
the fact that the only ones that can do well against kennen are
kass
corki
malph
anivia
vlad

says something about the state of this game

Wasn't the conclusion from the discussion in the old thread that Nidalee also wins lane against Kennen?
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
January 15 2011 21:23 GMT
#4032
Chogath
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
January 15 2011 21:23 GMT
#4033
It's a close matchup~
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0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
January 15 2011 21:45 GMT
#4034
After the new zhonyas fix, kennen isn't as strong anymore.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 15 2011 21:47 GMT
#4035
On January 16 2011 06:45 0123456789 wrote:
After the new zhonyas fix, kennen isn't as strong anymore.


wat? I don't think so. Might take longer to farm up Rylai's => Deathcap => Zhonya's instead of just Rylai's => Zhonya's but he's still strong as fuck. If anything, if Kennen gets enough farm to hit his trifecta, he's even more ghey than before.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-15 21:51:59
January 15 2011 21:51 GMT
#4036
On January 16 2011 06:47 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2011 06:45 0123456789 wrote:
After the new zhonyas fix, kennen isn't as strong anymore.


wat? I don't think so. Might take longer to farm up Rylai's => Deathcap => Zhonya's instead of just Rylai's => Zhonya's but he's still strong as fuck. If anything, if Kennen gets enough farm to hit his trifecta, he's even more ghey than before.


Without zhonyas, he's really vulnerable in fights. That's huge. Kennen needs to get into psuedo melee range to really do dmg. Zhonyas allowed him to get there and stay there for the duration of his ult. Now, he's super vulnerable.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 15 2011 22:08 GMT
#4037
On January 16 2011 06:51 0123456789 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2011 06:47 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 16 2011 06:45 0123456789 wrote:
After the new zhonyas fix, kennen isn't as strong anymore.


wat? I don't think so. Might take longer to farm up Rylai's => Deathcap => Zhonya's instead of just Rylai's => Zhonya's but he's still strong as fuck. If anything, if Kennen gets enough farm to hit his trifecta, he's even more ghey than before.


Without zhonyas, he's really vulnerable in fights. That's huge. Kennen needs to get into psuedo melee range to really do dmg. Zhonyas allowed him to get there and stay there for the duration of his ult. Now, he's super vulnerable.


If you feel that the invul active is that necessary for Kennen, go Rylai's => Zhonya's => Deathcap. But I still think Kennen's ulti is so ridiculous that you can stun, if not kill, most of your enemies before they can redirect their focus on you. Don't initiate with Kennen too aggressively. Run in first maybe, but make sure your tank is closely behind to CC the enemy off you after your ulti is more or less done. But for the most part, I think E + Ghost in, Ulti, Flash out and you're good as gold.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-15 22:18:41
January 15 2011 22:16 GMT
#4038
On January 16 2011 06:51 0123456789 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2011 06:47 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 16 2011 06:45 0123456789 wrote:
After the new zhonyas fix, kennen isn't as strong anymore.


wat? I don't think so. Might take longer to farm up Rylai's => Deathcap => Zhonya's instead of just Rylai's => Zhonya's but he's still strong as fuck. If anything, if Kennen gets enough farm to hit his trifecta, he's even more ghey than before.


Without zhonyas, he's really vulnerable in fights. That's huge. Kennen needs to get into psuedo melee range to really do dmg. Zhonyas allowed him to get there and stay there for the duration of his ult. Now, he's super vulnerable.

To be fair, I think he's weaker relative to other AP casters than he was before. Old Zhonya was better for Kennen because of the fact that he got more utility out of the Zhonya active than lots of other casters did. Deathcap is good for him but that's because Deathcap is just plain ridiculous--it's not better for him than other casters in the way Zhonya's was.
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Lunek
Profile Joined October 2010
Poland164 Posts
January 15 2011 22:40 GMT
#4039


a bit luxury tool, but really impressive implementation
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-15 22:46:02
January 15 2011 22:43 GMT
#4040
That new judging thing should be interesting. As someone pointed out (Mogwai I think?) could be a great way to kill time in Q. Dunno y but doing a couple of these while waiting for a Q to pop just seems like a great idea.

That LoL plugin looks cool, dunno that it'd change much. But it's a neat idea.
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