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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
On September 24 2015 04:34 CarlTheLlama wrote: This response is the best thing I could hope to read as a response. <3 glad you liked it. CARL HOW ARE YOU BOTH INTELLIGENT AND NOT AN ASSHOLE TO RETARDS is there some kind of potion you bought online? link pls | ||
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MotherFox
United States1529 Posts
On September 24 2015 05:48 Perseverance wrote: CARL HOW ARE YOU BOTH INTELLIGENT AND NOT AN ASSHOLE TO RETARDS is there some kind of potion you bought online? link pls Generally it's an intelligent thing to not instigate when you have nothing to gain by doing so, so those two things go hand in hand. | ||
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Ryzel
United States568 Posts
On September 24 2015 05:48 Perseverance wrote: CARL HOW ARE YOU BOTH INTELLIGENT AND NOT AN ASSHOLE TO RETARDS is there some kind of potion you bought online? link pls Empathy helps a lot. Realizing that everyone was bad at everything at some point in their lives, and to not let feelings of frustration at the situation you're in turn into actual hatred of these individuals. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On September 24 2015 05:55 MotherFox wrote: Generally it's an intelligent thing to not instigate when you have nothing to gain by doing so, so those two things go hand in hand. Basically this^ As outlined in the original post being positive and trying "earn trust" is the inteligent route to take. Both for the match, the game and the community. Sounds to me like you are having a slight superiority complex. Believing other less skilled players are not "deservant" of getting more wins(and therefore you wont carry them) and your connection with having radically less mmr than you= retard seems to indicate this. What you need to accept is that those players were you before, the only thing that seperates those "retards" from you is your understanding of the game, your game sense(which comes with playtime). Players that ignore what more experienced players say usually are not as experienced and need to play and experiment in order to evolve and develop their game-sense. They are not your equal in hots atm but some will be and others will probably even out skill you with time. For me the only thing that rubs me the wrong way is players that are outright toxic and flame others, for people like that I used to explode right back but now I'm trying to offsett them with positivity and so far it has worked well. In case it needs mentioning again, im a total scrub so I know nothing of how it is in the high rankings. | ||
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Frazzlehoon
United States3455 Posts
 Thanks Carl! I really enjoy your articles, I'll be waiting for future ones to come! | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 24 2015 05:48 Perseverance wrote: CARL HOW ARE YOU BOTH INTELLIGENT AND NOT AN ASSHOLE TO RETARDS is there some kind of potion you bought online? link pls Hahaha, my sentiments exactly. And for the record, most players who are performing badly in a game aren't open to constructive criticism and advice. | ||
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CarlTheLlama
United States43 Posts
 from hindsight, yes, it's the intelligent thing to do. However, following through on things you know to do is different than knowing to do them. Not to mention the fact that theory and actual results are different things. I think those are points worth valueing so you can be more patient with toxic people- they're not necessarily bad, it's more like uninformed/haven't been able to see the good in that is possible. As for why I individually am strong (though not perfect) in this area, it largely comes down to life experiences- notable among which is having to live with/deal a lot with people who are very toxic irl. From that, I get the "worst its ever been in my life" stuff that I talked about earlier in the thread. I've had to deal with worse in real life, so the daggers that get thrown at me online don't hurt me as much as someone else. Since I'm not as hurt, I'm able to respond more rationally and less emotionally. | ||
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
On September 24 2015 05:55 MotherFox wrote: Generally it's an intelligent thing to not instigate when you have nothing to gain by doing so, so those two things go hand in hand. I understand what you are saying. What you seem to be missing is that I actually gain a lot from telling a teammate that is awful that they are, in fact, awful. you see, when I play with someone who is unintelligent (aka, they suck at this game) I don't see it as anything different than when I play any other game or even participate in any activity. If I play a pick-up game of basketball and I have a shitty teammate...I say something. Same thing goes for football...same thing goes for a friendly game of spades at work (back when I was in the military). You know what effect this type of behavior typically had on people I would berate? Well, because these games were things that I was personally pretty good at...they took my opinion to heart, and they either A. stopped playing or B. got better. Hell, some ended up as good as or better than me. The only problem with the internet is people have the option of sticking their head in the sand. Well...the vast majority of them do. You see, there was a time when I too was not very good at hots (or mobas in general) and when someone said I was bad I would either argue with them or if possible, I would look up their 'standing' (mmr) and see who was saying I was bad. If they were leaps and bounds ahead of me (Which was frequent in LoL since it was my first moba) I would honestly PM them and ask them what I could do better...or if that proved to not be constructive (Some players have no time for noobs) then I would do more research on whatever champ/role I was using and figure it out myself. This attitude alone got me from my initial Silver 4 placement in LoL all the way to mid diamond after only 6 months of playing (two of which I spent leveling up to 30). So really, when I tell someone they are god awful or their build is horrid or their pick is horrid (Like the guy who picked murky into uther today) then I am not only venting my frustration on an awful player, but I am actually providing some form of constructive criticism...and all they have to do is look at the situation objectively, which if they are worthy of improving then they will do without issue. Whether or not they actually pay attention to my criticisms or not is irrelevant though, because it really is relaxing for me to tell someone who really sucks and is ruining an otherwise enjoyable game for me that they are god awful. | ||
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
On September 24 2015 06:54 Ryzel wrote: Empathy helps a lot. Realizing that everyone was bad at everything at some point in their lives, and to not let feelings of frustration at the situation you're in turn into actual hatred of these individuals. I really don't hate the shitters. Really, I don't care how awful they are and honestly if Blizzard hadn't screwed up matchmaking so bad to the point that all the good players left for the SEL or custom scrims only I wouldn't have to deal with them. So I guess, the only entity I hate here is Blizzard...and in a small way I do take it out on the noobs that end up in my games...because honestly, Blizzards blunders screw up the game for not only me, but them as well. It wouldn't be hard for them to add some cool new features for say, the top 250 MMR players or something...to keep them active and playing so we can also enjoy the game. Hell, add a top 500 leaderboards and give the top 250 double XP/gold or something. Anything to keep them playing. Maybe give a free skin of choice (non legendary) to the top 100 every 3 months with a minimum number of games @ something easily doable like 150. Or hell, make it exclusive skin tints or something...anything to keep the top players active so we don't have awful games and drag the rest of our teams with us due to our misery. | ||
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
On September 24 2015 08:44 xDaunt wrote: Hahaha, my sentiments exactly. And for the record, most players who are performing badly in a game aren't open to constructive criticism and advice. This guy hits the nail on the head. I had a friend from league who was plat 2 (When I first started playing and met him in an unranked game) and he had been playing for 4+ years. Anyway, needless to say he knew pretty much everything about the game and the champions. Could literally play all 130 at the same level and knew what countered what in every matchup by heart. Well, I was a noob so I listened to everything he said. When i thought something was one way and he said something different I tended to trust that he was right and I must be incorrect....even when I eventually passed him in rank I still trusted his judgement because there was still a lot I didn't know about the game. Fast forward to him playing hots when I had already played for a good 8 months and he was extremely difficult and anytime he fucked something up and I called him out he would ignore me or disagree with me etc. It got to the point where I can't stand playing with him because any time he screwed up.....trying to help him improve just made him shut down. It is the same with random players in HL...the guys constantly screwing up are likely the ones who got good win streaks starting out and are on the decline (MMR-wise) and are probably tilting as well cause its the 7th game in a row of them feeding. There isn't really even a way to approach giving this guy advice, regardless of MMR. | ||
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