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Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
July 12 2009 14:52 GMT
#61
What's full disclosure and wth is this sec about?
Telemako
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Spain1636 Posts
July 12 2009 15:14 GMT
#62
In computer security, full disclosure means to disclose all the details of a security problem which are known. It is a philosophy of security management completely opposed to the idea of security through obscurity. The concept of full disclosure is controversial, but not new; it has been an issue for locksmiths since the 19th century.

Full disclosure requires that full details of a security vulnerability are disclosed to the public, including details of the vulnerability and how to detect and exploit it. The theory behind full disclosure is that releasing vulnerability information immediately results in quicker fixes and better security. Fixes are produced faster because vendors and authors are forced to respond in order to save face. Security is improved because the window of exposure, the amount of time the vulnerability is open to attack, is reduced.

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Jusciax
Profile Joined August 2007
Lithuania588 Posts
July 12 2009 16:08 GMT
#63
On July 12 2009 23:34 ThaddeusK wrote:
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On July 12 2009 22:06 Jusciax wrote:
Sounds quite simple. People with great skills who didn't manage grow up and adapt are being pissed at ones that could. Tho i don't see how this history justifies anything that they are doing, including hacking imageshack.


not really, its just that they view hacking as something that should be done for fun/as a hobby rather than as a job, saying that they didnt manage to grow up and adapt is like saying the people who play starcraft but are not progamers didnt grow up and adapt (my point being that doing something for a job doesnt have to be the end result of having a hobby, sometimes you just do it for fun) although you are right, it doesnt justify what they are doing.

But you aren't pissed at others who took starcraft gaming to pro level and make a living out of it, are you? That was my whole point (or at least that's what i got from that post) that hackers think others who took it to next level (used their knowledge to get a job in security firms) are somehow sellouts and not respected anymore. Which is why i found that view childish and laughable.
stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
July 12 2009 16:08 GMT
#64
www.imgur.com ftw : )
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
July 12 2009 16:27 GMT
#65
So sad how many ppl in this thread got all angry and bashed this movement without even reading the statement because it's more than 2 lines.
If you'd have read it, you might have
a) learned something interesting/important, even if you decided they were wrong and
b) discovered that "no images were harmed", so you wouldn't have had to reupload your images or anything.
Mooga
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States575 Posts
July 12 2009 16:52 GMT
#66
On July 12 2009 16:43 Badjas wrote:
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On July 12 2009 16:10 Mooga wrote:
On July 12 2009 15:20 Badjas wrote:
On July 12 2009 09:55 Mooga wrote:
On July 11 2009 11:34 benjammin wrote:
i'm not a computer science person in any way, but isn't this just laughably misguided? doesn't disclosure encourage the actual creation of fixes and distribution of them on a larger scale than otherwise? sure, it allows for malicious usage, but that would exist either way, and would be more effective if there was no disclosure

i don't know what that bit about money is all about, but this just seems immature

correct me if i am wrong, my degrees are in english :D


See, the thing is that hackers don't want full-disclosure because it threatens to fix exploits that hackers are using faster than no-disclosure. This forces hackers to come up with novel hacks, instead of using the same method indefinitely without being detected. Of course they say that what they are doing is to stop the script kiddies, but most script kiddies use grey-hat or black-hat exploits anyway, they don't go through code and write their own, so black-hat or grey-hat hackers are still relied on anyway to develop exploits.

So most hacks come from black hats, not from white hats? Where's your source?


It's a question of how the exploits are packaged and how they deliver the payload. I don't know how much you know about script kiddies, but most of them rely heavily on programs written by black-hatters/grey-hatters to deliver the payloads because they can't understand/write the code themselves.

That didn't answer the question. Wait perhaps I was a bit unclear.
So most exploit discoveries come from black hats, not from white hats? Where's your source?


I was probably unclear - all I was trying to say is that whomever discovered the exploit is irrelevant to the question of which scripts script kiddies use. If you want to let script kiddies hack security systems, then you have to basically write every line of code for them in order to make that possible because that's all script kiddies do... they download programs from hackers and run those scripts on everything. White-hat hackers do not explicitly make programs to help script kiddies execute exploits. So that's what I meant by needing black-hats or grey-hats to exploit.
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