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Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
December 17 2008 00:04 GMT
#41
On December 17 2008 03:19 poilord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 01:40 Xusneb wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

I've been a lurker for a long time so this is just from my perspective.

WHY DO I LURK?

I've been visiting TL frequently for over four years and I've only started posting recently. I didn't even make an account until a few years into my visits. I think there's a few reasons for this.

In real life, when you 'post' an opinion, you usually get a response. When I discuss a topic with a friend, there is real-time rapport as we exchange ideas. This conversation is what we're used to - this back and forth talk.

There are many differences online. On the internet, when one posts an opinion, there is a chance for a response. Someone might quote you, although more often than not it's to laugh at you or ridicule you. For less articulated individuals such as myself, my ideas may be taken out of context. Then, by the time I find out, the topic is 10 days old and closed. But the vast majority of the time, nothing happens. Noone quotes you and your opinion is not acknowledged as the later posts soon leave your ideas isolated on page 3 or something.

This is so darn different from what I'm used to. I remember I posted a bit earlier in my years thinking to myself "wow, people are gonna love this idea! I wonder how many people will share these beliefs and respond with their own stories?" However, to my disappointment, my "brilliant insight" was completely overlooked as the next posts devolved into a flame war. As this kept happening, the negative reinforcement just turned me off posting online, anywhere. What was the point? People online ignore you whereas people in real life listen to my rants and respond with rants of their own. This was my mentality as a lurker.

Personally speaking as a science major, I think our brains are hard-wired to behave a certain way. We've evolved to be used to real-life circumstances where our insatiable hunger for social acceptance is more easily appeased. Things are different online but luckily for us homo sapiens, we can adapt to new situations and environments.

Of course, the story doesn't end there. I'm typing this up and I've overcome my "lurking". One day, I just realized the internet isn't real life. There are differences, for better or for worse, and I have to just accept them. To function socially online, I realized I had to abandon my excessive real-life social needs for acknowledgment and acceptance. Actually, I also analyzed my own behaviour on these forums. I mean, as a lurker, I'm part of the problem. I'm not acknowledging people! Too often, I just read their comments, think "wow, that was interesting", and move on. I could have easily quoted the man and commented "thanks for sharing!". Bam, problem solved. Plus, I realized that everytime I post something, people will read it. TL has a large community and I'm sure someone will read my post even if they don't physically acknowledge it with a quote or comment. Knowing that 1) online isn't real life; 2) I'm part of the problem; and 3) people are reading my posts, has really helped me shed my lurking skin.

So to the lurkers that share my views, I advise you to post. If a topic irks you, post your opinion. If someone says something completely wrong about something, don't be afraid to correct him with your expert knowledge. If you feel you have something more to add to a topic, add it! You may not get acknowledged all the time like in real life but you will be getting through to real people.

Anyways, this is all opinion. I hope someone reads it!


Great post
so true


true dat. Very interesting too...
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
December 17 2008 00:18 GMT
#42
On December 16 2008 21:37 29 fps wrote:
awesome. sticky this?

just curious, what made you write this? it seems to have come from nowhere.

and why is your post count going backwards?

I might be able to answer for that.

Haji you aren't studying for your interviews are you :p

Excellent post, though should it come at a different time it'd make me feel better~
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10829 Posts
December 17 2008 00:55 GMT
#43
On December 17 2008 09:02 ShadowDrgn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 07:56 LosingID8 wrote:
and if you go to something like blizzcon and someone asks who you are, please don't say "you wouldn't know me, i'm just a lurker" if you have an account. just say your username so when i get back on TL and i see your (rare) post i have some name-face recognition going on.


I was extremely surprised by how many people at Blizzcon recognized my account name despite my low post count.

perhaps that's testament to how much time we spend browsing TL hahaha
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ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
December 17 2008 01:39 GMT
#44
Yeah, that's what I figured. Haji knew who I was, and I knew him as the guy with like 30,000 posts, which he seemed somewhat embarrassed about.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
December 17 2008 01:52 GMT
#45
i like this
endorsed

similar post by me a bit ago: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=79469
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DeathByMonkeys
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States742 Posts
December 17 2008 02:11 GMT
#46
Excellent post... It feels good to be able to get on the computer and log on and talk to people with the same interests as you, or just the random jargon of the day.

P.S. Anyone live in Northern Michigan?
Quesadilla
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1814 Posts
December 17 2008 02:32 GMT
#47
On December 17 2008 08:47 Kennigit wrote:
Quesadilla is your CD on itunes yet?


In process... How did you know? Haha. It's up on a few other places
Make a lot of friends. Wear good clothes. Drink good beer. Love a nice girl.
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
December 17 2008 03:09 GMT
#48
Daug pound im a huge fan.
R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
December 17 2008 23:51 GMT
#49
On December 17 2008 01:40 Xusneb wrote:
I've been a lurker for a long time so this is just from my perspective.

WHY DO I LURK?

I've been visiting TL frequently for over four years and I've only started posting recently. I didn't even make an account until a few years into my visits. I think there's a few reasons for this.

In real life, when you 'post' an opinion, you usually get a response. When I discuss a topic with a friend, there is real-time rapport as we exchange ideas. This conversation is what we're used to - this back and forth talk.

There are many differences online. On the internet, when one posts an opinion, there is a chance for a response. Someone might quote you, although more often than not it's to laugh at you or ridicule you. For less articulated individuals such as myself, my ideas may be taken out of context. Then, by the time I find out, the topic is 10 days old and closed. But the vast majority of the time, nothing happens. Noone quotes you and your opinion is not acknowledged as the later posts soon leave your ideas isolated on page 3 or something.

This is so darn different from what I'm used to. I remember I posted a bit earlier in my years thinking to myself "wow, people are gonna love this idea! I wonder how many people will share these beliefs and respond with their own stories?" However, to my disappointment, my "brilliant insight" was completely overlooked as the next posts devolved into a flame war. As this kept happening, the negative reinforcement just turned me off posting online, anywhere. What was the point? People online ignore you whereas people in real life listen to my rants and respond with rants of their own. This was my mentality as a lurker.

Personally speaking as a science major, I think our brains are hard-wired to behave a certain way. We've evolved to be used to real-life circumstances where our insatiable hunger for social acceptance is more easily appeased. Things are different online but luckily for us homo sapiens, we can adapt to new situations and environments.

Of course, the story doesn't end there. I'm typing this up and I've overcome my "lurking". One day, I just realized the internet isn't real life. There are differences, for better or for worse, and I have to just accept them. To function socially online, I realized I had to abandon my excessive real-life social needs for acknowledgment and acceptance. Actually, I also analyzed my own behaviour on these forums. I mean, as a lurker, I'm part of the problem. I'm not acknowledging people! Too often, I just read their comments, think "wow, that was interesting", and move on. I could have easily quoted the man and commented "thanks for sharing!". Bam, problem solved. Plus, I realized that everytime I post something, people will read it. TL has a large community and I'm sure someone will read my post even if they don't physically acknowledge it with a quote or comment. Knowing that 1) online isn't real life; 2) I'm part of the problem; and 3) people are reading my posts, has really helped me shed my lurking skin.

So to the lurkers that share my views, I advise you to post. If a topic irks you, post your opinion. If someone says something completely wrong about something, don't be afraid to correct him with your expert knowledge. If you feel you have something more to add to a topic, add it! You may not get acknowledged all the time like in real life but you will be getting through to real people.

Anyways, this is all opinion. I hope someone reads it!

hehe lurker...

STOP LURKERRR he's gonna realseee <-- sadly that's the first thing i though of reading hte first 2 lines of this post... rofl
ggyo...
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17045 Posts
December 17 2008 23:52 GMT
#50
Hmm, when Nony comes back to the states I think he should pay a little visit to his alma mater so we can hang out!

Yay I heart Nony
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DJEtterStyle
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
December 17 2008 23:54 GMT
#51
My balls itch.

Wait, what?
KreaGata
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1702 Posts
December 18 2008 08:47 GMT
#52
<3 TL

Peace, love, and good happenin' stuff. Great read, thanks for the awesome post haji!
the truest opportunists thrive in the maelstrom
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 18 2008 08:56 GMT
#53
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
December 18 2008 08:59 GMT
#54
blizzcon was amazing xD

It was the highlight of my quarter as well, by far.
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Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
December 20 2008 12:36 GMT
#55
in light of this post and the lurker one, i have recently started posting. ( for all those who can see beyond apparent motives, yes i am bumping this thread so it gets more exposure)
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
December 21 2008 07:48 GMT
#56
mm quite true. Heh makes me feel bad about being way too much of a recluse in high school and such.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17733 Posts
December 21 2008 08:01 GMT
#57
On December 18 2008 08:54 DJEtterStyle wrote:
My balls itch.

Wait, what?

^_^
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
December 21 2008 08:12 GMT
#58
hi haji, intrigue, neo, zatic, chava, chill, LosingID8, etc :33333
posting on liquid sites in current year
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
December 21 2008 08:12 GMT
#59
On December 21 2008 17:01 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2008 08:54 DJEtterStyle wrote:
My balls itch.

Wait, what?

^_^


I think his writing hand has boosted to 110% !!!!!
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
December 21 2008 08:30 GMT
#60
I really enjoyed reading that haji... Although some of it hit pretty close to home for me. I'm halfway through my 3rd undergrad year at UConn and i don't think i've developed any semblance of a 'network.' I've made friends and stuff here and there, although recently I've begun keeping to myself more and more. Not sure why i do it. I don't exactly enjoy it, and i'm not sure how to change it. See the thing is, more and more i hear people talk about the importance of building a network at college, that most jobs are gotten this way - through your contacts, rather than sending resumes to companies. I don't know exactly how to go about building this network; through my life i have never been too adept at socializing with strangers (ironically, i probably have BW to thank for this). It makes me scared for my future, to be honest. I don't know what I'm going to do.

Sorry for rambling a bit about my life there, it's late and and i'm tired. Does anyone else have difficulty with this like i do? Were you able to overcome it? I would really appreciate any advice
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