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Saw this in today's NYT:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/05/asia/dogs.php
So far the two laboratories have produced a total of more than 50 cloned dogs, and more are in the works. While most of these were produced in the line of research, an increasing number are being cloned commercially, including a pit bull named Booger.
Last week, two years after Booger died of cancer, five genetic copies were born. His American owner, Bernann McKinney, who met the clones Tuesday, had paid Lee's team $50,000 to replicate the dog she said once saved her from a savage mastiff.
"When Booger was dying, his eyes locked on mine," McKinney said. "And he told me with his eyes, 'Don't be sad, because I am going to see you again."'
LOL
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ohoho jeez
im scared of what kind of posts this thread entails
btw, how is that lol-worthy
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That doesnt make me laught. It is a serious ethic problem imo. I mean why should we be allowed to do this with dogs and not with humans ?
Next step: clone you dead children ?
This is like the fucking whiners who play hardcore @ diablo2 and try to find progs or to ask Blizzard to revive their char. Life isnt softcore sry.
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that's exactly what I was thinking D:<
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these people buying clones are foolish.
while their new dogs may be genetically identical to their old ones, that is all it is. no memories, feelings, etc.
and on top of that, it's not even an identical clone since the mitochondrial dna is diff -_-
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On August 06 2008 20:23 Boblion wrote:
Next step: clone you dead children ?
Your child is not behaving? Do you wish that you could just rewind so that you could give him some manners? Well do not despair! Now all you need to do is send the child to RECYCLING'R'US and and we will send you a fresh copy back!
On August 06 2008 20:33 intotherei wrote:
these people buying clones are foolish.
while their new dogs may be genetically identical to their old ones, that is all it is. no memories, feelings, etc.
and on top of that, it's not even an identical clone since the mitochondrial dna is diff -_-
The less brains it has the more similar it will be, there is more to clone dogs than humans therefore. Unless you clone smart humans to create a new elite population cloning is not that interesting on humans. Guess that some would pay for baby clones of themselves though, would be perfect for gay couples.
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On August 06 2008 20:23 Boblion wrote:
That doesnt make me laught. It is a serious ethic problem imo. I mean why should we be allowed to do this with dogs and not with humans ?
Next step: clone you dead children ?
That certainly sounds like an interesting venture.
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i'm nto super keen on the bible but i imagine that's a bible passage right?
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thedeadhaji
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On August 06 2008 20:36 Klockan3 wrote:Your child is not behaving? Do you wish that you could just rewind so that you could give him some manners? Well do not despair! Now all you need to do is send the child to RECYCLING'R'US and and we will send you a fresh copy back!
man... I think I know some really bad mothers who would consider this kind of travesty.
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On August 06 2008 20:41 thedeadhaji wrote:
i'm nto super keen on the bible but i imagine that's a bible passage right?
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On August 06 2008 20:23 Boblion wrote:
That doesnt make me laught. It is a serious ethic problem imo. I mean why should we be allowed to do this with dogs and not with humans ?
Next step: clone you dead children ?
This is like the fucking whiners who play hardcore @ diablo2 and try to find progs or to ask Blizzard to revive their char. Life isnt softcore sry.
I just like how you say it's a serious ethical problem and then compare it to Diablo II :D
not that I don't agree with you
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kinda dumb to pay 50k for that, just buy one that looks similar.
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Eh, I don't see the point of cloning. You can't clone a personality, feelings, or memory. But eh, I guess I really don't care if someone feels like spending their 50k on it to make themselves feel better.
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On August 06 2008 21:10 Mikilatov wrote:
Eh, I don't see the point of cloning. You can't clone a personality, feelings, or memory. But eh, I guess I really don't care if someone feels like spending their 50k on it to make themselves feel better.
if i remember correctly they would have the same personality at birth but their life experience can change it.
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On August 06 2008 20:44 zizou21 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2008 20:41 thedeadhaji wrote:
i'm nto super keen on the bible but i imagine that's a bible passage right?
Oh ROFL! ^^
Are humans dumb enough to clone their own children?
Wait, that's a rhetorical question T_T
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Is there still a problem with clones accelerated aging. It had something to do with the teleomeres being shorter.
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On August 06 2008 20:44 zizou21 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2008 20:41 thedeadhaji wrote:
i'm nto super keen on the bible but i imagine that's a bible passage right?
^_^
edit: hahaha i cant stop looking at this gif!!
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this is so... advanced :\
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On August 06 2008 20:10 zizou21 wrote:
She looks like a clone of her dog??
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Meh... cloning should be limited to certain body parts for medical reasons. Not for any jackass who is so emotionally attached to soemthing that they can't live without it.
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HAHA the cat picture wins the thread!
So awesome can't stop looking at it.
We are gods now. We can do whatever we want.
Mass monkey army with knifes to conquer the universe!!
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They're doing it all wrong.
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On August 06 2008 21:45 Hawk wrote:
Meh... cloning should be limited to certain body parts for medical reasons. Not for any jackass who is so emotionally attached to soemthing that they can't live without it.
Sure, it's just.. you can't clone individual body parts. They don't grow in vats, regardless of what many games would have you believe. Though if you know that and still insist on cloning "body parts", namely cloning whole beings and cutting them up for body parts, then that's gross and horrible.
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don't see the logic in doing that
some decadent fatass whores like the one in the picture may do such things
but you don't get the very same dog back. you also wouldn't get the very same child back. the mind/soul/whatevertocallit is not automatically copypasted along when you make a copy of the body. the existence of your previous dog/child has vanished and you would only replace it with another being that will function pretty similarly but is not a fucking resurrection.
cloning dead loved ones is for the weak of mind. why not have different children which can also be loved?
you only help yourself by creating such a clone, the dead ones remain dead.
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my god... the koreans now have an unlimited food source. ingenius
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On August 06 2008 22:20 itzme_petey wrote:
my god... the koreans now have an unlimited food source. ingenius
ohohohoohhoohoo... OHOHOHhohohoh...
yeah i dont think that kind of racism is necessary
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On August 06 2008 22:20 itzme_petey wrote:
my god... the koreans now have an unlimited food source. ingenius
LOL
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Death is a natural process in life. People should learn to accept it. They might want to clone their dead dogs, cats, children whatever to cheat the life cycle or death but I think in the end they're only cheating themselves. Some people might say it's not fair that they lost their loved ones but that's exactly life for you. It's brutal, the way it was made to be. Nature is red in tooth and claw.
I agree with the person that said we should only clone body parts for medical reasons.
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5 genetic copies were born? So she's keeping one as a pet and the other four get killed? Because I don't imagine she'll want five of the same pet. Seems pretty hypocritical. Maybe they'll just go to a dog shelter though so she can replace hers if it dies again. There again, in this country pit bulls are routinely destroyed by the police for being born killers who we never should have created and should be made extinct.
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On August 06 2008 22:07 alpskomleko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2008 21:45 Hawk wrote:
Meh... cloning should be limited to certain body parts for medical reasons. Not for any jackass who is so emotionally attached to soemthing that they can't live without it. Sure, it's just.. you can't clone individual body parts. They don't grow in vats, regardless of what many games would have you believe. Though if you know that and still insist on cloning "body parts", namely cloning whole beings and cutting them up for body parts, then that's gross and horrible.
No, cloning doesn't only refer to growing a complete new organism. There is also cell cloning, tissue cloning, and organ cloning. Stem cell research is cloning research.
(And for the record, the most interesting and promising area of stem cell research is adult stem cells harvested non-harmfully from living donors, not embryonic stem cells harvested from aborted fetuses. Neither kind was banned in the USA, but federal funding was withheld from research which required new aborted fetuses - federal funding is still granted to embryonic stem cell research based on embryonic stem cell lines harvested before the funding ban was put in place.)
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guys, better buckle up for some change. Death might not be a natural part of future life.
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Don't cloned animals still have a supershort life span? Poor dog.
And you can clone individual body parts.
And the most interesting area is probably undifferentiating differentiated cells, since it's both ethically viable and results in clones that share the same DNA as the person who you might be trying to give therapy to.
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Poor lady doesn't realize it's not going to be the same dog.
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One of the more interesting uses of stem cell research is a surprising cure for infertility in men. Basically you give scientists a tooth and they break it open and take some stem cells from inside. They then put these stem cells in the testes of a mouse and wait a while. Then they kill the mouse and harvest your new sperm. Mix it with an egg and viola, the genetic child of an infertile man. Think about how huge the ability to have children is to an infertile man. That's how valuable stem cell research is.
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one might argue that people are infertile for a reason though...
[edit: reason as in they have a disease or sth that shouldn't spread, not from a moral point of view]
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On August 07 2008 00:21 Kwark wrote:
One of the more interesting uses of stem cell research is a surprising cure for infertility in men. Basically you give scientists a tooth and they break it open and take some stem cells from inside. They then put these stem cells in the testes of a mouse and wait a while. Then they kill the mouse and harvest your new sperm. Mix it with an egg and viola, the genetic child of an infertile man. Think about how huge the ability to have children is to an infertile man. That's how valuable stem cell research is.
so basically, this is the result
+ Show Spoiler +
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On August 06 2008 22:20 itzme_petey wrote:
my god... the koreans now have an unlimited food source. ingenius
lol
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On August 07 2008 00:36 zizou21 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2008 00:21 Kwark wrote:
One of the more interesting uses of stem cell research is a surprising cure for infertility in men. Basically you give scientists a tooth and they break it open and take some stem cells from inside. They then put these stem cells in the testes of a mouse and wait a while. Then they kill the mouse and harvest your new sperm. Mix it with an egg and viola, the genetic child of an infertile man. Think about how huge the ability to have children is to an infertile man. That's how valuable stem cell research is. so basically, this is the result + Show Spoiler +
lol x2
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You aren´t really guaranteed to get a physically identical being. As someone already said, the mitochondria will be different. But more importantly, scientists discovered a whole new field in genetics:
epigenetics
It´s becoming clear nowadays, that factors in the environment of animals and plants can lead to activation or deactivation of some genes. Especially the cloning process itself can have such effects. It´s possible that your cloned dog does turn out differently in the end.
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On August 06 2008 20:36 Funchucks wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2008 20:23 Boblion wrote:
That doesnt make me laught. It is a serious ethic problem imo. I mean why should we be allowed to do this with dogs and not with humans ?
Next step: clone you dead children ? That certainly sounds like an interesting venture.
hahahah, surely i can't be the only person in the thread who got this joke!
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First thing I thought of was the movie The 6th Day with the good ol' Governator playing the lead.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0216216/
Btw, I don't get the venture joke even now that I know it's supposed to mean something more =[ I know what a ventuer is but I don't get the reference here.
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On August 07 2008 00:36 zizou21 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2008 00:21 Kwark wrote:
One of the more interesting uses of stem cell research is a surprising cure for infertility in men. Basically you give scientists a tooth and they break it open and take some stem cells from inside. They then put these stem cells in the testes of a mouse and wait a while. Then they kill the mouse and harvest your new sperm. Mix it with an egg and viola, the genetic child of an infertile man. Think about how huge the ability to have children is to an infertile man. That's how valuable stem cell research is. so basically, this is the result + Show Spoiler +
I imagine they make sure to use human sperm rather than mouse sperm.
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Here's the real question...
Why clone it five times?
Why not clone it once, and when it dies, clone it again? I guess rational thought is outside her comprehension 
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Epigenetics...
Awesome.
I learn something new everyday.
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This reminds me of Duncan Idaho. -_-
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On August 07 2008 01:18 ViRii wrote:Here's the real question... Why clone it five times? Why not clone it once, and when it dies, clone it again? I guess rational thought is outside her comprehension
You do not want to wait?
Also you can do a lot of tests on clone dogs so I am sure that they gets an open arms welcome back at the laboratory.
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And we only learned about DNA like 50 years ago.
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LOL
+ Show Spoiler +On August 06 2008 20:10 zizou21 wrote:Show nested quote +
"When Booger was dying, his eyes locked on mine," McKinney said. "And he told me with his eyes, 'Don't be sad, because I am going to see you again."'
LOL On August 07 2008 00:41 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2008 22:20 itzme_petey wrote:
my god... the koreans now have an unlimited food source. ingenius lol
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On August 07 2008 00:42 Maenander wrote:You aren´t really guaranteed to get a physically identical being. As someone already said, the mitochondria will be different. But more importantly, scientists discovered a whole new field in genetics: epigeneticsIt´s becoming clear nowadays, that factors in the environment of animals and plants can lead to activation or deactivation of some genes. Especially the cloning process itself can have such effects. It´s possible that your cloned dog does turn out differently in the end.
Clone bitches.
more like Epicgenetics am i rite
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uugh.. only white people would do this kind of stuff. the lady must be pretty wealthy, and rich white women like her are the WORST.
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On August 07 2008 03:03 intoyourrainbOW wrote:
uugh.. only white people would do this kind of stuff. the lady must be pretty wealthy, and rich white women like her are the WORST.
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idk about you guys, but my dog is getting old (12-13) and I would love to have another with his genes =/
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Have your girlfriend give you dog a blowjob. If things go well you may soon have dogmen with your dog's genes.
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On August 06 2008 21:19 LuckyOne wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2008 21:10 Mikilatov wrote:
Eh, I don't see the point of cloning. You can't clone a personality, feelings, or memory. But eh, I guess I really don't care if someone feels like spending their 50k on it to make themselves feel better. if i remember correctly they would have the same personality at birth but their life experience can change it.
Not even.
Research has shown that humans are actually influenced by their experiences in the womb. It likely has an effect on dogs as well.
On the other hand, genes have so much say in who we are that the clones would probably end up similar to their "originals" in many ways.
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On August 07 2008 01:18 ViRii wrote:Here's the real question... Why clone it five times? Why not clone it once, and when it dies, clone it again? I guess rational thought is outside her comprehension
Would you rather have 1 Dave[9] or 5 Dave[9]'s?
or even worse...
Would you rather have 1 Jared or 5 Jareds?
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Personally, I don't see why some people get uptight about human cloning. As far as I'm concerned, we already have human clones, namely identical twins. Now we'll just have the twins living at different times.
Heck, it's not like you're bringing the other person back from the dead or anything. If one identical twin died in an accident, who would consider the other twin to be that same person? Now replace the identical twin with a clone, and it's the same situation, imo.
Furthermore, I think it's pointless to argue about the effects of the clone knowing they're a clone of someone else, or knowing that person's life history, etc. The effects will depend entirely on what kind of person the clone is: it might motivate them to surpass their "original" or it might depress them. Considering the zillion other things that "may or may not depress" a person, I don't see this as being fundamentally different.
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On August 07 2008 03:10 Hippopotamus wrote:
Have your girlfriend give you dog a blowjob. If things go well you may soon have dogmen with your dog's genes.
i do not think you know how it works
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You guys, the real scary thing about clones is that if they are able to completely reproduce a person down to the last memory, they would literally be the same person. I wonder how I would feel if I found out I'm the clone of some guy who is actually dead.
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You'd actually be as much him as he was. Unless you think there's some spiritual component that's lacking.
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On August 06 2008 21:42 zgl wrote:She looks like a clone of her dog??
RAWRR god dam that's gonna eat your brains later
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"When Booger was dying, his eyes locked on mine," McKinney said. "And he told me with his eyes, 'Don't be sad, because I am going to see you again."'
*Facepalm.
This person clearly doesn't understand what cloning is. This level of ignorance really really irks me.
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On August 07 2008 03:06 bdams19 wrote:
idk about you guys, but my dog is getting old (12-13) and I would love to have another with his genes =/
2 of my dogs are approaching this age as well and I would *never* clone either of them, I don't see the point in having a dog that looks just the same but won't be the same.. Why waste that dogs lifespan trying to make it into your last dog instead of getting a new one (and making a new acquaintance)?
That is if you want a new one.
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On August 07 2008 04:12 Bill307 wrote:
Personally, I don't see why some people get uptight about human cloning. As far as I'm concerned, we already have human clones, namely identical twins. Now we'll just have the twins living at different times.
What would be your opinion if some random rich guy want to clone himself like 3000 times ?
Now lets take another example. A child die, and his parents want to make a new clone of him. Do you think it would not be disturbing for the new clone kid to know that he is here only because the original died ?
On August 07 2008 04:12 Bill307 wrote:
Heck, it's not like you're bringing the other person back from the dead or anything. If one identical twin died in an accident, who would consider the other twin to be that same person? Now replace the identical twin with a clone, and it's the same situation, imo.
Reviving the same person would pose less moral and ethics problems in my opinion. But you are right clones are different persons except that the clone has been "manufactured".
On August 07 2008 04:12 Bill307 wrote:
Furthermore, I think it's pointless to argue about the effects of the clone knowing they're a clone of someone else, or knowing that person's life history, etc. The effects will depend entirely on what kind of person the clone is: it might motivate them to surpass their "original" or it might depress them. Considering the zillion other things that "may or may not depress" a person, I don't see this as being fundamentally different.
How can you say " it will depend entirely on what kind of person the clone is" ? i mean knowing that you are a clone will for sure affect your own personnality and you wont have any choice. It is like saying " it is pointless to argue about the effect of being blind / tall / small / or whatever characteristic ". It is really disturbing when you know that someone chose your own DNA and physical look.
Life isnt a supermarket where parents can pick up genes for their children. I hope it will remain the same otherwise it will completly destroy all the current system of moral and ethic values.
Next step after Human cloning will be genes enhancement and it will lead to even more ethic problems and it will add inequalities among people ( poor people wont be able to afford DNA improvement for their children ).
What would be your reaction if you face someone enhanced ? It is like facing a fucking hacker at Sc. It isnt a fair situation.
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On August 07 2008 04:21 bdams19 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2008 03:10 Hippopotamus wrote:
Have your girlfriend give you dog a blowjob. If things go well you may soon have dogmen with your dog's genes. i do not think you know how it works
Yeah, when a girl blows a dog, you don't get dogmen, you get sedogs. Well... she does.
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On August 07 2008 05:08 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2008 04:12 Bill307 wrote:
Personally, I don't see why some people get uptight about human cloning. As far as I'm concerned, we already have human clones, namely identical twins. Now we'll just have the twins living at different times.
What would be your opinion if some random rich guy want to clone himself like 3000 times
...for meat?
Now lets take another example. A child die, and his parents want to make a new clone of him
...to eat.
Do you think it would not be disturbing for the new clone kid to know that he is here only because the original died
...and the parents were still hungry?
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On August 07 2008 04:21 bdams19 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2008 03:10 Hippopotamus wrote:
Have your girlfriend give you dog a blowjob. If things go well you may soon have dogmen with your dog's genes. i do not think you know how it works
i think you never saw the OMG! SHE CHEATS ON ME! thread.
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On August 06 2008 22:20 itzme_petey wrote:
my god... the koreans now have an unlimited food source. ingenius
Yeah especially since these dogs were clonned by Korean research group RNL BIO. I think you can only commercially clon a dog from Korea.
Only if you're willing to pay 50K for dog meat when you can buy for $10 though.
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On August 07 2008 05:24 Funchucks wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2008 05:08 Boblion wrote:On August 07 2008 04:12 Bill307 wrote:
Personally, I don't see why some people get uptight about human cloning. As far as I'm concerned, we already have human clones, namely identical twins. Now we'll just have the twins living at different times.
What would be your opinion if some random rich guy want to clone himself like 3000 times ...for meat? Show nested quote +Now lets take another example. A child die, and his parents want to make a new clone of him ...to eat. Show nested quote + Do you think it would not be disturbing for the new clone kid to know that he is here only because the original died ...and the parents were still hungry?
The main ethic problem i was talking about is obviously cannibalism.
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No no no. You got it all wrong funchucks. The point is to make it profitable. I doubt you can get more than $10,000 per child.
Here's a way to make it work.
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The dogs will probably get lots of nasty cancers as the DNA is old therefor will be damaged. Will have to lose her dog again 5 times over...
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I read the full article and most of the dogs they're cloning are for good reasons. Breeding service dogs with specific attributes and physical talents does seem easier than the trial and error method. The cancer sniffing dog is a great example of how to use the exceptionally sensitive sense of smell of one dog and replicate it so it can be studied and applied on a grander scale. When compared to medical equipment the price of a cloned dog isn't much at all.
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Talk about wasting money. What some people do...
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On August 07 2008 04:34 MannerGent wrote:
You guys, the real scary thing about clones is that if they are able to completely reproduce a person down to the last memory, they would literally be the same person. I wonder how I would feel if I found out I'm the clone of some guy who is actually dead.
Well it's one thing to guide DNA, quite another to reproduce an exact replica of someones brain with all its memories and inner connections. A clone will start out physically the same, but their brain is gonna end up way different as they grow and learn.
My dog just died this year but no way I'd want to clone him... would just seem like a dishonor to his memory to try and get an exact replacement of him. The gif of that cat is so funny!
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On August 07 2008 03:03 intoyourrainbOW wrote:
uugh.. only white people would do this kind of stuff. the lady must be pretty wealthy, and rich white women like her are the WORST.
Read the article dummy. She had to sell her house to buy the dogs. She is white trash, not wealthy.
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On August 07 2008 03:10 Hippopotamus wrote:
Have your girlfriend give you dog a blowjob. If things go well you may soon have dogmen with your dog's genes.
M5's girlfriend is way ahead of scientists on this one
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On August 07 2008 04:12 Dave[9] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2008 01:18 ViRii wrote:Here's the real question... Why clone it five times? Why not clone it once, and when it dies, clone it again? I guess rational thought is outside her comprehension Would you rather have 1 Dave[9] or 5 Dave[9]'s? or even worse... Would you rather have 1 Jared or 5 Jareds?
1 rpf or 5 rpfs??
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On August 07 2008 05:27 Nitrogen23 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2008 04:21 bdams19 wrote:On August 07 2008 03:10 Hippopotamus wrote:
Have your girlfriend give you dog a blowjob. If things go well you may soon have dogmen with your dog's genes. i do not think you know how it works i think you never saw the OMG! SHE CHEATS ON ME! thread.
OMG that thread is the best, i cant stop laughing!
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LOL "i knew i would see him again". not. differen't dog, dumb shit. clones aren't even that similar.
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On August 07 2008 06:47 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2008 03:03 intoyourrainbOW wrote:
uugh.. only white people would do this kind of stuff. the lady must be pretty wealthy, and rich white women like her are the WORST. Read the article dummy. She had to sell her house to buy the dogs. She is white trash, not wealthy.
uhh.. did we read the same article? i found no reference to her selling her house. maybe it's a glitch in your Canadian internets
EDIT: oh, and there's speculation that this woman is actually a crazy ex-beauty queen from the 70s.. read this article
EDIT2: OK, i read in a DIFFERENT article that she had to sell her home. but it doesn't look like she'll be spending time with her dog in a homeless shelter.
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selling your house to clone a dog is stupid
i dont care what anyone else says, "to each his own" or w.e
fuck that, doing the first line is stupid
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On August 06 2008 20:23 Boblion wrote:
Next step: clone you dead children ?
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man this gave me shivers.....
any one read Pet cemetery by Stephen king
its not exactly the same but i guess it ends the same way
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Why does it end the same way? What the fuck is wrong with you people?
It's a clone. Which has emotional value to the owner, and she decided it was worth her money.
You're all spending time talking about someone wasting her money. Isn't that a retarded waste of time?
What is with this stigma on cloning? You're eating cloned food, you idiots. SOULLESS FOOD!
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On August 07 2008 11:34 lesser_good wrote:man this gave me shivers..... any one read Pet cemetery by Stephen king its not exactly the same but i guess it ends the same way
the movie was pretty scary back then
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This is awesome,finally my dead dog Jango can be cloned and named Boba!!!!!
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i cant understand why people would clone their dogs
theres tons of dogs in shelters that need a home
hundreds of dogs get euthanized everyday and these idiots pay thousands of dollars for their dead dog back
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Dog babies, human babies, pretty much same scenario.
Okay, sorry if anyone finds that distasteful. But it's irritating me that some people find it stupid to do X and don't have any problem with something else that's pretty much the same thing, except that it's something that they are actually doing and are therefore okay with.
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On August 07 2008 11:40 BottleAbuser wrote:
Why does it end the same way? What the fuck is wrong with you people?
It's a clone. Which has emotional value to the owner, and she decided it was worth her money.
You're all spending time talking about someone wasting her money. Isn't that a retarded waste of time?
What is with this stigma on cloning? You're eating cloned food, you idiots. SOULLESS FOOD! But the bible!! It says I'm going to that bad place with lots of fire!!!!11111
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The picture is really disturbing. It looks like the woman is choking the puppy and the puppy has a matching expression.
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On August 07 2008 05:08 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2008 04:12 Bill307 wrote:
Personally, I don't see why some people get uptight about human cloning. As far as I'm concerned, we already have human clones, namely identical twins. Now we'll just have the twins living at different times.
What would be your opinion if some random rich guy want to clone himself like 3000 times ? Now lets take another example. A child die, and his parents want to make a new clone of him. Do you think it would not be disturbing for the new clone kid to know that he is here only because the original died ? Show nested quote +On August 07 2008 04:12 Bill307 wrote:
Heck, it's not like you're bringing the other person back from the dead or anything. If one identical twin died in an accident, who would consider the other twin to be that same person? Now replace the identical twin with a clone, and it's the same situation, imo.
Reviving the same person would pose less moral and ethics problems in my opinion. But you are right clones are different persons except that the clone has been "manufactured". Show nested quote +On August 07 2008 04:12 Bill307 wrote:
Furthermore, I think it's pointless to argue about the effects of the clone knowing they're a clone of someone else, or knowing that person's life history, etc. The effects will depend entirely on what kind of person the clone is: it might motivate them to surpass their "original" or it might depress them. Considering the zillion other things that "may or may not depress" a person, I don't see this as being fundamentally different.
How can you say " it will depend entirely on what kind of person the clone is" ? i mean knowing that you are a clone will for sure affect your own personnality and you wont have any choice. It is like saying " it is pointless to argue about the effect of being blind / tall / small / or whatever characteristic ". It is really disturbing when you know that someone chose your own DNA and physical look. Life isnt a supermarket where parents can pick up genes for their children. I hope it will remain the same otherwise it will completly destroy all the current system of moral and ethic values. Next step after Human cloning will be genes enhancement and it will lead to even more ethic problems and it will add inequalities among people ( poor people wont be able to afford DNA improvement for their children ). What would be your reaction if you face someone enhanced ? It is like facing a fucking hacker at Sc. It isnt a fair situation.
well at first only the rich would be able to afford it but maybe the price of cloning will drop down enough so that everyone can afford it. One bad thing would be disease vulnerability.
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On August 06 2008 21:42 zgl wrote:She looks like a clone of her dog??
We can definitely see the ressemblance.
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That woman looks like failed attempt #1
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I fail to see the ethical problem with cloning dogs. These cloned dogs are no different than identical twins. I would be interested to see how similar they behave, raised under different circumstances.
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Who gives a crap? If you don't want to clone stuff, then don't. If other people want to clone stuff, let them. Clone all the humans you want, I don't care.
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I'm happy for her actually. If she was so emotionally attached to the previous dog that she would pay 50,000 for another that may only be physically identical, then yay for her.
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On August 10 2008 16:12 ArvickHero wrote:
''She's ugly as sin now,'' he said. ''But, sure enough, that's her.''
Beauty is truly fleeting and skin deep.
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Yeah, you could tell she was fucked up.
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I love it how people look like their dogs. I'm just glad my dogs are sexy.
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