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Mayson
312 Posts
On December 07 2007 12:56 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I like you Mayson, live strong.  I think you, HeadBangaa, and myself are the only ones in this thread capable of independent thought. The majority of other posts are just spewing loads of horse shit from the Brady campaign. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Usually its the mob of ignorant lefties vs the few "radical" righties who have the guts to say a word or two. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
On December 07 2007 12:55 aRod wrote: I want to point out that cultural change does happen. For instance, Slavery. Before Slavery was ok, but now not so cool... Women voting. Before women voting = wtf. Now women voting = ok. Guns have been much more stubborn when it comes to leaving the United States. We were behind Europe on abolition of slavery, women voting etc. and we are behind on guns. I believe in about 150 years we will catch up. Sadly the nationalism associated with supporting the constitution translates to loving guns for many Americans. None of the arguments being presented here put forth this retarded viewpoint. Get the fuck out with your strawman fallacies, please. | ||
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aRod
United States758 Posts
On December 07 2007 12:53 Mayson wrote: Nothing in that post makes any sense. Thanks for taking my comments completely out of context, not reading with any comprehension whatsoever, and then acting immaturely. If you had any education on world history whatsoever, you would understand why gun control worked for Hitler, Castro, Qaddafi, Stalin, Idi Armin, Mao Tse-Tung, Pol Pot, and Kim Jong-Il. But you don't, so you're going to perpetually mis-quote everything anyone says, and then proclaim that the thread is "garbage," as if you've demonstrated intelligence worthy of being in a position to judge much of anything, much less pass judgment on anything. And this debate has turned from argument to personal flames. How sad and immature. I see no reason to counter your insults. But I would also like to thank you for not addressing any part of the points I made. It makes me feel I'm right. | ||
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Mayson
312 Posts
People need to understand that many of the statistics used to support gun control are skewed in some way, thus creating a bias. For example, the crime rate in England was relatively low compared to the US before gun control was implemented. After gun control was implemented, the crimes rates did rise, albeit not by a significant amount. All gun control will do is leave an entire population disarmed. It would be shooting fish in a barrel for the criminals. Like was previously stated, outlawing firearms means the only people with firearms are the outlaws themselves, thus leaving the law-abiding citizens to be completely defenseless. | ||
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Mayson
312 Posts
On December 07 2007 13:01 aRod wrote: It's been 12 pages before I gave in and returned an insult.And this debate has turned from argument to personal flames. How sad and immature. I see no reason to counter your insults. But I would also like to thank you for not addressing any part of the points I made. It makes me feel I'm right. That's better than you, and nothing you've said has been right. It's all been opinion, which, by definition, is neither correct nor incorrect. Edit: Oh, and you guys need to read this: http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=321645 The Brady campaign is at it again. I'm getting really sick and tired of this guy and his indefensible point of view. | ||
micronesia
United States24701 Posts
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aRod
United States758 Posts
We are one of the only countries with any reference to fire arms in our constitution. I claim this is one of the reasons some remain attached to them. People have a love of the constitution. I personally love the majority of it. A logical step is guns = constitution = good. Do you see it? It's right there. | ||
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Spartan
United States2030 Posts
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Mayson
312 Posts
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aRod
United States758 Posts
On December 07 2007 13:06 Mayson wrote: It's been 12 pages before I gave in and returned an insult. That's better than you, and nothing you've said has been right. It's all been opinion, which, by definition, is neither correct nor incorrect. Edit: Oh, and you guys need to read this: http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=321645 The Brady campaign is at it again. I'm getting really sick and tired of this guy and his indefensible point of view. I hate to point this out again, (not really I love it), but you failed to address any of my points. | ||
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Mayson
312 Posts
On December 07 2007 13:08 aRod wrote: The Constitution outlines what the government may not do to infringe upon the rights of the people, which the Constitution recognizes as existing before said Constitution was written.This is in response to headbangaa. We are one of the only countries with any reference to fire arms in our constitution. I claim this is one of the reasons some remain attached to them. People have a love of the constitution. I personally love the majority of it. A logical step is guns = constitution = good. Do you see it? It's right there. Picking one Amendment out of many to single out seems a little hasty, considering that Americans love all freedoms recognized by the Constitution. I, however, will not ever give up the right to self-preservation. It must be forcibly taken from me. | ||
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Mayson
312 Posts
On December 07 2007 13:09 aRod wrote: You've failed to disprove any of mine. (Here's a hint: you can't. I don't cite biased sources. All of the statistics I'm citing are from government sources, or from controlled research studies.)I hate to point this out again, (not really I love it), but you failed to address any of my points. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On December 07 2007 13:08 aRod wrote: This is in response to headbangaa. We are one of the only countries with any reference to fire arms in our constitution. I claim this is one of the reasons some remain attached to them. People have a love of the constitution. I personally love the majority of it. A logical step is guns = constitution = good. Do you see it? It's right there. Guns are really only one piece of your constitution, so it equaling it isnt exactly true. It is true your constitution mentioned firearms, but that is only one of the sections of it. If someone does the step guns = constitution = good would mean they don't care about the document in entirety, and instead the part that lets them carry around weapons. I look at this as kinda a dumb argument, with this day and age, guns will be around, all that is required is gun control that is stricter in a sense of "you cant have automatic weapons" but letting people still have their rifles and hand guns. Just make sure your system is one that works decently and realize that people will still obtain automatics illegally, or the like. The answer isnt remove all weapons, or let everyone have what they want its moderation. Give access to the ones that can be used in recreational fun, not the ones that are specifically designed with killing other people as the purpose. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
You know what's super awesome about the constitution? It's not immutable. The architects of the constitution were keen to cultural change, and knew better than to impose their temporal 'druthers in an absolute manner. That's how you can love the constitution without dogma. It is quite an impressive piece of work, actually. But your statement seeks to exploit the polarization of patriots as "righties" and flag-burners as "lefties". I consider you a casualty of the media. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
But serious how the fuck did he get an AK47, that's insane. | ||
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
On December 07 2007 12:59 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Wow I never expected 3 people with this mindset to be ganging up on 1-2 people with that mindset.. pretty funny Usually its the mob of ignorant lefties vs the few "radical" righties who have the guts to say a word or two.thanks for putting everyone for gun laws as a tree hugging hippiel and everyone who opposses it as a right wing radical. There is no freethinking and we're just brainwashed by groupthink special interests groups! | ||
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Mayson
312 Posts
What I do know: - It was illegal for him to possess an AK-47 - It was illegal for him to possess hand grenades - Laws didn't stop him Once again, the laws did nothing to prevent a criminal's behavior. This is why gun control will not work. | ||
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aRod
United States758 Posts
I acknowledge many of you points and support many of them. Gun control legislation in the United States has not produced results. I don't think it will work. You are right here. I HAVE acknowledge this. I don't like the static nature of unrestricted gun use in a country when many others are outlawing them. I have only stated I wish we could move away from them, and gun control is part of this effort. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
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