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NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.

Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10927 Posts
February 23 2024 13:29 GMT
#13141
On February 23 2024 19:21 zeo wrote:

Since the Ukrainian government.....


Hm... Seems like someone got new naming guidelines for the "regime".
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-23 18:18:50
February 23 2024 18:14 GMT
#13142
If accurate this would mean the Russians only have one such aircraft left(?), as a third one was short down over the Black Sea in January(?)... the costs hover around $300 to half a billion dollars depending on what they are equipped with. That's not counting the crew.


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
February 23 2024 21:49 GMT
#13143
On February 24 2024 03:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
If accurate this would mean the Russians only have one such aircraft left(?), as a third one was short down over the Black Sea in January(?)... the costs hover around $300 to half a billion dollars depending on what they are equipped with. That's not counting the crew.

https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1761090995137966312
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1761086908317176126


Seems accurate, Russians are claiming it was friendly fire (again) which is an odd choice
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
February 23 2024 22:48 GMT
#13144
On February 24 2024 06:49 Lmui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2024 03:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
If accurate this would mean the Russians only have one such aircraft left(?), as a third one was short down over the Black Sea in January(?)... the costs hover around $300 to half a billion dollars depending on what they are equipped with. That's not counting the crew.

https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1761090995137966312
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1761086908317176126


Seems accurate, Russians are claiming it was friendly fire (again) which is an odd choice

Deemed preferable to make yourself look stupid than admit you got beat.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5843 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-24 22:36:48
February 24 2024 22:35 GMT
#13145
https://verstka.media/vnesudebnie_raspravi_kotorie_skrivayut_v_rossiiskoy_armii_issledovanie

An article on how Russian soldiers treat one another. A glimpse into the "russian world".

A short summary in English, but the automated translation of the full article looks decent:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1761130119173988755.html
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
February 26 2024 12:19 GMT
#13146
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html

Very interesting piece about the intel work between Ukraine and mainly CIA in the leadup to the Russian invasion.
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-26 14:25:23
February 26 2024 14:15 GMT
#13147
After the video this morning of an M1A1 Abrams tank moving around Berdychi we are getting the first images of presumably the same tank taken out.



First combat deployment of the tank to the front lines was apparently today (or yesterday depending on when the video was taken). There were some videos with a disabled Abrams a few days ago but that was 20km from the front line. Weird how they didnt put any anti-drone cages on it (also still waiting for info about what took it out)
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 26 2024 16:06 GMT
#13148
I'm confused I guess Turkey already voted in favor Sweden joining... but I guess that makes it official.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8272 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-26 16:09:17
February 26 2024 16:07 GMT
#13149
On February 27 2024 01:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I'm confused I guess Turkey already voted in favor Sweden joining... but I guess that makes it official.

https://twitter.com/jensstoltenberg/status/1762143595564298361


It was semi official, but now it's official official. Nothing new or surprising, now it's just down on paper
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22487 Posts
February 26 2024 16:30 GMT
#13150
Turkey approved Sweden a month ago.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9322 Posts
February 26 2024 16:38 GMT
#13151
To be honest I was a little worried Hungary will keep stalling to attempt to haggle something out of this.
You're now breathing manually
sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden890 Posts
February 26 2024 16:50 GMT
#13152
On February 27 2024 01:38 Sent. wrote:
To be honest I was a little worried Hungary will keep stalling to attempt to haggle something out of this.


They did, they got a fighter jet gripen deal with sweden before approving
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
February 26 2024 17:04 GMT
#13153
On February 27 2024 01:50 sertas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2024 01:38 Sent. wrote:
To be honest I was a little worried Hungary will keep stalling to attempt to haggle something out of this.

They did, they got a fighter jet gripen deal with sweden before approving

The approval probably didn't hurt, but that deal was in the works for longer than the question of Sweden joining NATO or not.

This was more Orban overplaying his hand. He thought together with Turkey he could get something out of his Yes but was left standing alone when Erdogan got his F16 deal without bothering to tell Orban. The Gripen story is Orban saving face over his months of useless obstruction.
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2845 Posts
February 26 2024 19:30 GMT
#13154
The negotiations between Turkey, Hungary and Sweden was in Madrid a long time ago.

Turkey had a demand list that we agreed on. Hungary wanted nothing.

The negotiations that Turkey did after that was with the US, not Sweden. Turkey had valid reason to distrust Sweden, demands that were fluid enough to argue about (so the process can be stalled) and more importantly they are a large and important member who are much more important than Sweden.

Hungary had none of that. Really hard to negotiate with Sweden when you didn't do it in Madrid.
And even harder to do it with the US who doesn't really give a shit about you strategically. Rumors started going around about Hungary getting kicked out of NATO last I heard.

In the end Orban managed to get one win, a way to save face after Erdogan fucked him diplomatically with a diplomatic visit and a figther jet deal.
Unity, support, family, and kneecapping bitches.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17800 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-26 22:59:43
February 26 2024 22:54 GMT
#13155


Polish Minister of Foreign Affairs has made a pretty strong speech after the Russian Ambassador's presentation before the UN Security Council.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1130 Posts
February 27 2024 01:28 GMT
#13156
On February 23 2024 19:21 zeo wrote:
Hate to interupt the soapboxing and conspiracy theories but a few thoughts on the situation on the ground.

With the end of the Krynky filler arc over


Let me interrupt you there, there's no evidence Russia cleaned up Krynky
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-27 03:43:12
February 27 2024 03:40 GMT
#13157
I cannot see this happening in any form. Not even under the guise of say protection of infrastructure.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
February 27 2024 08:02 GMT
#13158
Macron is likely full of shit. France is a pitiful supporter of Ukraine and now he found his inner Napoleon or what? What a lame duck.
Broodwar for life!
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9322 Posts
February 27 2024 08:08 GMT
#13159
I think he just wanted to make himself look cool by saying "we won't do that but we totally could, watch it Russia". I would be extremely surprised if any NATO member seriously proposed that kind of move, even behind closed doors.
You're now breathing manually
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
February 27 2024 08:46 GMT
#13160
This looks like non-news to me. Recall that the Slovak government is Putin-friendly and they put their own spin on it. What Macron said from all I can read: "There is no consensus on that (sending troops) currently. But nothing should be ruled out to achieve our goal".

This sounds much more like strategic ambiguity than actual deliberation. I don't see anywhere that France or any other country is seriously considering sending NATO troops to Ukraine.
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