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On November 26 2021 00:11 Laurens wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Vaccinated people can also spread COVID.
Belgium has been putting some serious pressure on getting vaccinated and in Flanders we've reached an 81.27% vaccination rate. 92.74% for 18+ population. We're among the best in Europe with these numbers, and vastly better than Brussels/Wallonia, the other regions in Belgium.
Alas we're also about to go in lockdown, seems like high vaccination numbers don't mean much. 20.000+ new infections each day.
Now all the vaccinated people are about to be vaccinated a 3rd time. I wonder where it will end?
I myself am vaccinated and don't mind getting my booster shot, I'm just skeptical of politicians pointing fingers at unvaccinated people, the data we have does not show that all our problems are due to unvaccinated ppl imo. If more countries like Austria start mandating a vaccine, they'll soon no longer be able to use the unvaccinated population as a scapegoat for the worsening COVID situation, I wonder who/what they will target next.
It's just going to be the people that haven't gotten their 3rd shot or 4th shot or 5th shot. The pandemic will end as soon as everyone is fully vaccinated. The catch is that the definition of fully vaccinated will change as soon we start to get close to the target. The donkey never actually gets to reach the carrot at the end of the stick.
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On November 26 2021 07:18 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2021 00:11 Laurens wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Vaccinated people can also spread COVID.
Belgium has been putting some serious pressure on getting vaccinated and in Flanders we've reached an 81.27% vaccination rate. 92.74% for 18+ population. We're among the best in Europe with these numbers, and vastly better than Brussels/Wallonia, the other regions in Belgium.
Alas we're also about to go in lockdown, seems like high vaccination numbers don't mean much. 20.000+ new infections each day.
Now all the vaccinated people are about to be vaccinated a 3rd time. I wonder where it will end?
I myself am vaccinated and don't mind getting my booster shot, I'm just skeptical of politicians pointing fingers at unvaccinated people, the data we have does not show that all our problems are due to unvaccinated ppl imo. If more countries like Austria start mandating a vaccine, they'll soon no longer be able to use the unvaccinated population as a scapegoat for the worsening COVID situation, I wonder who/what they will target next. It's just going to be the people that haven't gotten their 3rd shot or 4th shot or 5th shot. The pandemic will end as soon as everyone is fully vaccinated. The catch is that the definition of fully vaccinated will change as soon we start to get close to the target. The donkey never actually gets to reach the carrot at the end of the stick.
Yeah, the world government will keep moving the goalposts. What they really want is to take away our freedoms.
Give me a break. You sound like a lunatic. Back in the real world there is an ongoing pandemic. It will end when it will end. It's not a matter of some world government arbitrarily announcing it.
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On November 26 2021 09:22 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2021 07:18 BlackJack wrote:On November 26 2021 00:11 Laurens wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Vaccinated people can also spread COVID.
Belgium has been putting some serious pressure on getting vaccinated and in Flanders we've reached an 81.27% vaccination rate. 92.74% for 18+ population. We're among the best in Europe with these numbers, and vastly better than Brussels/Wallonia, the other regions in Belgium.
Alas we're also about to go in lockdown, seems like high vaccination numbers don't mean much. 20.000+ new infections each day.
Now all the vaccinated people are about to be vaccinated a 3rd time. I wonder where it will end?
I myself am vaccinated and don't mind getting my booster shot, I'm just skeptical of politicians pointing fingers at unvaccinated people, the data we have does not show that all our problems are due to unvaccinated ppl imo. If more countries like Austria start mandating a vaccine, they'll soon no longer be able to use the unvaccinated population as a scapegoat for the worsening COVID situation, I wonder who/what they will target next. It's just going to be the people that haven't gotten their 3rd shot or 4th shot or 5th shot. The pandemic will end as soon as everyone is fully vaccinated. The catch is that the definition of fully vaccinated will change as soon we start to get close to the target. The donkey never actually gets to reach the carrot at the end of the stick. Yeah, the world government will keep moving the goalposts. What they really want is to take away our freedoms. Give me a break. You sound like a lunatic. Back in the real world there is an ongoing pandemic. It will end when it will end. It's not a matter of some world government arbitrarily announcing it.
What does that mean "it will end when it will end"
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On November 26 2021 05:05 LegalLord wrote:
Didn’t South Africa already have a variant that allowed for reinfection and had vaccine resistance?
If that becomes deadlier or more transmissible, that could be a problem. Maybe we’ll all have to get another, another booster dose.
So the developed world (Rich Countries) get another mandatory booster against this new variant from Southern Africa where the vaccine rate is 2/5ths of fuck all.People still claiming that getting the last 25% of Americans vaxxed would get things ‘back to normal’ when vaccine resistant variants from third world countries come in anyway and the whole cycle repeats itself.
Very predictable.
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On November 26 2021 14:21 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2021 09:22 maybenexttime wrote:On November 26 2021 07:18 BlackJack wrote:On November 26 2021 00:11 Laurens wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Vaccinated people can also spread COVID.
Belgium has been putting some serious pressure on getting vaccinated and in Flanders we've reached an 81.27% vaccination rate. 92.74% for 18+ population. We're among the best in Europe with these numbers, and vastly better than Brussels/Wallonia, the other regions in Belgium.
Alas we're also about to go in lockdown, seems like high vaccination numbers don't mean much. 20.000+ new infections each day.
Now all the vaccinated people are about to be vaccinated a 3rd time. I wonder where it will end?
I myself am vaccinated and don't mind getting my booster shot, I'm just skeptical of politicians pointing fingers at unvaccinated people, the data we have does not show that all our problems are due to unvaccinated ppl imo. If more countries like Austria start mandating a vaccine, they'll soon no longer be able to use the unvaccinated population as a scapegoat for the worsening COVID situation, I wonder who/what they will target next. It's just going to be the people that haven't gotten their 3rd shot or 4th shot or 5th shot. The pandemic will end as soon as everyone is fully vaccinated. The catch is that the definition of fully vaccinated will change as soon we start to get close to the target. The donkey never actually gets to reach the carrot at the end of the stick. Yeah, the world government will keep moving the goalposts. What they really want is to take away our freedoms. Give me a break. You sound like a lunatic. Back in the real world there is an ongoing pandemic. It will end when it will end. It's not a matter of some world government arbitrarily announcing it. What does that mean "it will end when it will end"
The pandemic is a physical phenomenon in the real world. It means there's a virus that circulates on a global scale that we can't cope with without emergency measures. It's not some bogeyman used by some world government to take away people's freedoms that they can arbitrarily call off.
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Its been a almost a year. If there were issues we would have seen them already. And in fact we did, which is why we immediately stopped using certain ones like J&J.
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This was a valid concern... some 18 months ago when it was posted...
However, after some 8 billion deployed doses worldwide, old hypothetical concerns become obsolete since now you actually have vast amounts of data to gauge side effects and possible dangers.
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On November 26 2021 22:44 ggrrg wrote:This was a valid concern... some 18 months ago when it was posted... However, after some 8 billion deployed doses worldwide, old hypothetical concerns become obsolete since now you actually have vast amounts of data to gauge side effects and possible dangers. + Show Spoiler +
I was thinking more about this
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I do think this is interesting though.
But maybe there's a credible debunking of this.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
I’m seeing this crop up, what’s the hypothesis here that these players are adversely reacting to vaccines?
It’s quite a small increase in quite a large sample. So there’s that. To my knowledge, and to such a degree as there’s privacy involved, elite level footballers aren’t vaccinated at the rate of the genera population, although this may have changed since the podcast I listened to with their numbers was quite some time ago.
One would assume that we’d see bigger spikes in cardiac problems across the wider population, to my knowledge this is not the case, but I’ve not seen numbers disproving or making a case for that either way.
To boot there seems a lot of misinformation swirling around, for example the most high profile public cardiac arrest I can think of in Christian Eriksen did not, as some claim and as far as I can ascertain have the vaccine.
I wouldn’t discount the possibility entirely, but I’m no cardiologist. It could be that what relevant and known side effects there are re the heart could be more detrimental to people who physically push themselves very hard for a living.
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I think they used Wikipedia to determine how many fifa players died of cardiac arrests the years prior and if you use better data there's no increase.
You have to understand that this kind of stuff isn't made to look credible, it's not a rational discussion that we're having. Apparently with this new south african strain, if it becomes a huge problem the main plan is to go with "ah the vaccine made this stronger and that's why it's killing us, it's your fault". None of them actually believe that this is true. It's not an argument, they just hate us and don't want to think about it.
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On November 27 2021 00:17 Nebuchad wrote:
I think they used Wikipedia to determine how many fifa players died of cardiac arrests the years prior and if you use better data there's no increase.
You have to understand that this kind of stuff isn't made to look credible, it's not a rational discussion that we're having. Apparently with this new south african strain, if it becomes a huge problem the main plan is to go with "ah the vaccine made this stronger and that's why it's killing us, it's your fault". None of them actually believe that this is true. It's not an argument, they just hate us and don't want to think about it.
I don't know if this new variant exists because of the vaccines. But either way the vaccines will be less effective. And there wont be a booster that will solve this for the same reasons that there wasnt a booster for delta.
Only good possibility would be this variant being less deadly.
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