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On October 19 2018 23:18 Grumbels wrote:
The actress that played Skyler on Breaking Bad received a lot of hate from fans over the years for getting in the way of Walter White.
In fairness she was written awfully for the most part. Yes, even Breaking Bad has its weak point, and that weak point is Skylar White. She's really given very little to do except be a nagging housewife, and when she does start to grow a bit she becomes a monstrous hypocrite, same as Walt, but is still written as moralising and talking down to him.
She's at her most compelling towards the end when she's in on it, but still ultimately doesn't have much to do.
None of which justifies hate on the ACTRESS, of course. But it doesn't surprise me she got hate mail. Her opposition to Walt never felt real, interesting, or grounded.
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By nagging wife, you mean the person telling Walt to spend time with his family that he claims to love and not cook meth or be a monster? Walt is the only character that changes his moral compass in that show, the rest of the characters stay ground at their moral starting place. It is most evidence with Jesse and Saul, but Skyler is the same.
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Personally I don’t really like how Bryan Cranston played Walt, the character comes across to me as an unpleasant psycho even at the start. It got into my way of enjoying the show, since I didn’t see any redeeming qualities about Walt to begin with. It really amazed me so many people related to him and thought he was a heroic character.
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walt was a talented guy who was bitter at the world he blamed (rightly or wrongly) for not recognizing his genius and consigning him to mediocrity. when he has his chance/ agency, he wants to make up for lost time and punish (or disregard) the world that he feels wronged him. morally and otherwise he's 99% awful, but plenty of people can relate to his bitterness to some degree, and the writers do a good job of slowly charting his fall into depravity that the audience doesn't abandon him over a particular act. because it wasn't *that* bad, and they get why he did it.
as p6 mentions, skylar doesn't really change. it's walt - and the audience - that change.
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NPR just put out a pretty good piece on the impact of the illegal immigration crack down in Texas, in Trump country that relies on illegal immigrants for labor. With low unemployment, the jobs that were done by the illegal immigrants just won’t get done. And it sounds like the local high schools and trade schools are not training people how to weld. The Steve Miller’s efforts to uproot every immigrant, illegal or otherwise, in this country isn’t addressing the true problem.
The interesting part is that these Texans support some sort of immigration bill, but folks like Miller are dead set on cutting back on all immigration.
Lamar County, where the trailer manufacturers are headquartered, is crimson Trump country. Yet to hear the trailer bosses tell it, the administration's immigrant roundups threaten a lifeblood of the county. Locals who voted for Trump are nonetheless sympathetic to the hard-working, undocumented welders.
Every morning, a group of retirees meets at the Dairy Queen in the county seat of Paris to drink coffee and mull over the state of the nation.
"This country will not survive if we don't straighten the way [immigrants] can come over here and work. Because I guarantee you Americans are not gonna do it," says Alan Helberg, a former hospital administrator. His buddy, retired dentist Jerry Akers, chimes in, "Congress needs to get off their duff and pass some meaningful legislation to where people can come here and work legally and not have to be afraid of getting uprooted."
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Immigration wave will come for usa i think,probably starting right after trump.
Demograpic prediction for usa 2100 are not optimistic and will severely limit growth in long run.
Lots of land left to develop,cities to build,profits to be made and stenght to be gained.
Usa could get to 600 million people in 2100 if they would let in an aditional 1-2m immigrants a year.
a crazy idea but i can see this beeing an attractive and maybe inevitable option from a certain perspective.
Europe is trying hard to get people here to work and make economy grow. Europe is a few decades behind japan demographically and quiet a bit ahead of the usa. Usa still has some time but for them as well the choice will come between large immigration or economic stagnation.
i dont know what choice to make,thats up to america,but the point where this choice has to be made will come i think.
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On October 20 2018 07:39 pmh wrote:
Immigration wave will come for usa i think,probably starting right after trump.
Demograpic prediction for usa 2100 are not optimistic and will severely limit growth in long run.
Lots of land left to develop,cities to build,profits to be made and stenght to be gained.
Usa could get to 600 million people in 2100 if they would let in an aditional 1-2m immigrants a year.
a crazy idea but i can see this beeing an attractive and maybe inevitable option from a certain perspective.
Europe is trying hard to get people here to work and make economy grow. Europe is a few decades behind japan demographically and quiet a bit ahead of the usa. Usa still has some time but for them as well the choice will come between large immigration or economic stagnation.
i dont know what choice to make,thats up to america,but the point where this choice has to be made will come i think.
I see the opposite problem. With automation coming stronger and stronger having more people is not always going to be a good thing.
I am all for diversity, I just think we need a more diverse population at a lower population number
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Usa is already one of the most diverse populations in the world though?
I do see diversity as a good thing but I don't really see how the usa could be even more diverse, They could do a bit better on the integration of all the diverse groups within society maybe.
Personally I am not a fan of population growth to tackle problems within the economic system. It is not a sustainable solution, at one point sooner or later you will hit a wall where it wont be possible to grow the population and then you will still have to deal with the imbalances in the system itself that makes continuous growth a necessity and probably at a much larger scale then when tackling issue early on.
Its mostly a demographic issue,the aging population, which i see as the biggest threat to economic growth and the financial system in the world in general and the western world in particular. (but as said,the usa still has time and its population is still relatively young) And this threat I think will fuel the desire for immigration for some actors.
something different:Interesting documentary tonight here on tv about the usa prison system. "American jail" from roger ross.
I now understand a bit better how and why racism is still such a big issue in the usa.
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On October 20 2018 01:08 Plansix wrote:
By nagging wife, you mean the person telling Walt to spend time with his family that he claims to love and not cook meth or be a monster? Walt is the only character that changes his moral compass in that show, the rest of the characters stay ground at their moral starting place. It is most evidence with Jesse and Saul, but Skyler is the same.
Walt's plan is 'make money for family for after I die' pretty much up until he's too far gone to stop. Haven't watched the series in a long while, but I seem to recall he completely leaves the meth business in season... 3? But gets drawn back into it by Gus... I think? He really isn't a complete monster. He just has that potential.
But yes, he's bitter from day one. It's a failure of advertisement. The creator said it's the story of how Mr. Chips becomes Scarface. But that isn't true. He's got a deep well of bitterness in him because of what happened with Grey Matter.
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The city of New York is doing what our justice department refuses to do, investage the activity of Brown Shi....Proud Boys. Of course, arranging to turn over members of our organization to police is something organized criminals do. I’m more interested to see what the police turn of about the NY GOP inviting a group of known violent racist to the city.
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That's Vermont for ya lol, definitely an island unto itself politically.
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the saudi arabian journalist has been confirmed dead by saudis after days of denial. trump is more concerned for the billions worth arms trade rather than the fact that it was a state sponsored murder.
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1053660285582671872?s=21
what do you think for this arm sale thing? how is the conservative view on the subject?
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How many fist fights result in death generally? This is a tangent, I don't really care how the answer relates to the excuse given by the Saudis.
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On October 20 2018 01:28 Grumbels wrote:
Personally I don’t really like how Bryan Cranston played Walt, the character comes across to me as an unpleasant psycho even at the start. It got into my way of enjoying the show, since I didn’t see any redeeming qualities about Walt to begin with. It really amazed me so many people related to him and thought he was a heroic character.
He was not written or acted to be either liked or relatable to, at all. But people tend to do that anyways simply due to the fact that he's the main character.
On October 20 2018 01:02 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2018 23:18 Grumbels wrote:
The actress that played Skyler on Breaking Bad received a lot of hate from fans over the years for getting in the way of Walter White. In fairness she was written awfully for the most part. Yes, even Breaking Bad has its weak point, and that weak point is Skylar White. She's really given very little to do except be a nagging housewife, and when she does start to grow a bit she becomes a monstrous hypocrite, same as Walt, but is still written as moralising and talking down to him. She's at her most compelling towards the end when she's in on it, but still ultimately doesn't have much to do. None of which justifies hate on the ACTRESS, of course. But it doesn't surprise me she got hate mail. Her opposition to Walt never felt real, interesting, or grounded.
It's an unfortunate truth that everyone who plays a bad guy well gets tons of hate. Lena Headey gets tons of death threats and hatemails, and fans of the show will often skip her in the signature line at events, and Jack Gleeson in all likelihood quit acting in part due to his amount of hate he received (tho he never explicitly stated it). Not to mention all the people receiving death threats either doing something stupid, being misunderstood, or simply being famous in and of itself. My skin still crawls thinking about some of the messages in the "Total Biscuit passed away" thread.
tl;dr: People sucks, especially when combined with anonymity.
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"Could cost 600 000 jobs" is extremely naive. It might cost that many jobs in that sector, sure, but 600k people won't just suddenly have to live on the street because they can't make guns anymore. That's not how economy works.
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I'll play devils advocate.
Should be known what i think of trump or US foreign policies, but here i actually would agree with republicans. Yeah, they murdered a dude. So what. While it obviously sucks for family and friends of that person, the outrage by americans is ridiculous. The US kills innocents by the dozens. Daily. Remember, you guys are still flying drone strikes, and the reason the "number of innocents killed" is so low because you simply label everyone that gets killed a terrorist until proven otherwise. In some strikes, like a wedding in Yemen, that doesn't work - but apart from that, once a terrorist is targeted, everyone who dies around him who's "able military age" is considered a terrorist.
I mean, while of course i absolutely and categorically condemn this murder, i find it far fetched to ask for sanctions, all kinds of retaliation, hurting your own economy massively (especially considering it keeps your industrialised military complex afloat) etc while continuing to accept that your own government does the same - and in fact literally asked for it (kill kids and wives of terrorists, and he apparently had the audacity to ask CIA officials "why did you wait" when they were holding back on a strike for a few minutes to have the target walk away from civilians).
Hell, i'd find it far fetched even if the US wasn't as bad in that regard.
Here's reality: the USA (amongst other countries like Switzerland and Sweden) traded with Nazi Germany even after the war started. And we're not talking some penny-level shit, we're talking IBM, GM and Ford. Hell, GM and Ford produced stuff in germany using "forced labour" (jewish slaves). To the point where the chief executive of GM was awarded a Order of the German Eagle first class by Adolf Hitler himself. Alcoa is another one, probably even worse: they were selling Aluminium ("aluminum") to germany, while holding it back for US fighter production.
Money makes the world go 'round, that's how it always was and always will be. If you have the decision to make between "revenging" a murder by making thousands of innocents losing their jobs, or just swallow it (if it doesn't happen on an industrial scale, obviously), the answer is kinda clear.
Is it moral or ethical? Hell no, it's the polar opposite. But ask yourself this. Are you okay forcing your companies to lay off people, some of which rely on the income to pay medical bills etc (and i know how much money the higher ups make and how that could be somewhat fixed by distributing money differently, but that's never gonna happen so lets not argue with that pipedream in mind - it's always the little guy who pays the bill)? I'm not sure that i find that more ethical.
edit: and that's not even taking into account how problematic retaliation by SA could be, since the US is such an energy/oil hog.
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On October 21 2018 02:26 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2018 01:28 Grumbels wrote:
Personally I don’t really like how Bryan Cranston played Walt, the character comes across to me as an unpleasant psycho even at the start. It got into my way of enjoying the show, since I didn’t see any redeeming qualities about Walt to begin with. It really amazed me so many people related to him and thought he was a heroic character. He was not written or acted to be either liked or relatable to, at all. But people tend to do that anyways simply due to the fact that he's the main character.
In my experience, a lot of people buy into his front that he just did everything for his family, even though he admits in the end he did it for himself.
With this perspective in mind, it's easy to see why people dislike Skyler: She's ungrateful. Walt is doing all this stuff for her and she just treats him like shit, going so far as to cheat on him
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