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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10026 Posts
On March 18 2025 00:48 Gahlo wrote: So, how long until some genius mass deletes everything marked DEI and accidentally also delete everything religious where God is written out as Dei? Well we've already had Enola Gay files being deleted and the transgenic mice thing. | ||
Falling
Canada11607 Posts
On March 18 2025 00:39 Simberto wrote: Ah, Richard Nixon, famous for being really into DEI and generally being woke. It becomes very clear that when those people say DEI, what they actually mean is "N-word". Which was obvious before, i guess. While I don't believe this is universally true and not necessarily even in the majority, I am realizing there are people that have been sneaking under the radar who are definitely using DEI in that way. People were going after Bill Burr for his 'DEI wife' for goodness sake. How can one's wife possibly be 'DEI' besides it just being a less than subtle code for something else??? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
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Hat Trick of Today
205 Posts
A lot of people get primed by right wing influencer narratives about DEI. There’s a reason why they can’t shut up about the half dozen trans women in sports because they workshopped everything until they figured out that people largely don’t care about trans women (or female sports) except in this instance where it’s felt that they’re abusing an arena that should be a meritocracy. Some people just listen to this stuff, make an off the cuff comment about it, and go on with their lives. Then you’ve got the people who get sucked in so deep that they see DEI and woke everywhere to the point where if they see something like Hephaestus in a wheelchair, they start looking everywhere and start mathematically measuring Aphrodite’s head shape to prove the artists made her trans. | ||
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KwarK
United States44439 Posts
Articles about the renowned Native American Code Talkers have disappeared from some military websites, with several broken URLs now labeled "DEI." Why it matters: From 1942 to 1945, the Navajo Code Talkers were instrumental in every major Marine Corps operation in the Pacific Theater of World War II. Asked about the missing pages, Pentagon Press Secretary John Ullyot replied in a statement: "As Secretary [Pete] Hegseth has said, DEI is dead at the Defense Department. ... We are pleased by the rapid compliance across the Department with the directive removing DEI content from all platforms." Never be more than a DEI. | ||
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KwarK
United States44439 Posts
On March 18 2025 04:18 Falling wrote: While I don't believe this is universally true and not necessarily even in the majority, I am realizing there are people that have been sneaking under the radar who are definitely using DEI in that way. People were going after Bill Burr for his 'DEI wife' for goodness sake. How can one's wife possibly be 'DEI' besides it just being a less than subtle code for something else??? Falling, with all due respect, you’re a fucking slow horse if you’re only now crossing the finish line. On July 27 2024 08:49 KwarK wrote: You're overthinking it. It's not especially hidden. ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDg9CRXXEAALCHA?format=jpg&name=small) ![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/9wjgbisgytwc1.jpeg) ![[image loading]](https://preview.redd.it/h3gjmlblzmwc1.jpeg?width=650&auto=webp&s=9c731acd24cc7d911a8855890b668676f6668f6f) ![[image loading]](https://preview.redd.it/j2lm98cvhk4d1.jpeg?width=602&auto=webp&s=921124e4b283ad51a15095808d198787f2dacd52) Conservatives use DEI because they people complain when they use slurs. Although I’d argue you’re still somehow not across the finish line, you’re qualifying it as if it’s something a fringe minority do. As if they’re sneaking it in. They’re not. It’s something that the White House is openly doing as official policy. It’s something that they ran on as a central part of their campaign and millions of people voted for as a wedge issue. Conservatives, as a body, openly support the erasure of any DEIs and they’re not subtle about who that is. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1102 Posts
On March 18 2025 06:43 KwarK wrote: Falling, with all due respect, you’re a fucking slow horse if you’re only now crossing the finish line. Although I’d argue you’re still somehow not across the finish line, you’re qualifying it as if it’s something a fringe minority do. As if they’re sneaking it in. They’re not. It’s something that the White House is openly doing as official policy. It’s something that they ran on as a central part of their campaign and millions of people voted for as a wedge issue. Conservatives, as a body, openly support the erasure of any DEIs and they’re not subtle about who that is. That's a very unfair characterization of the usage of DEI. DEI started as actual initiatives to improve diversity, equity, and inclusion. I personally think some of those initiatives were dubious (Blackjack's oft cited San Francisco school board exclusion of a white guy being one of them) and that there was a justified backlash against some of it. Many people who are anti-DEI were upset by the unfairness or outright stupidity of some of the initiatives. That it has gone from a backlash against unfair practices to basically a substitute for the n-word is a more recent phenomenon. There are clearly people in leadership using it as a n-word substitute, but that doesn't mean that everyone is using it that way or that even everyone in the Republican cult use it that way. I look at it a lot like Christianity. Christianity has become an excuse to spread hate and various fascistic beliefs (part of White Christian Nationalism). However, there are plenty of people who are true Christian believers. They don't understand that their fellow "Christians" don't actually believe in the teaching of Christ. So they stand side by side with them in defense of "Christianity" without realizing that they are standing against Christ's actual message. A lot of people are very slow to come around to such things. | ||
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KwarK
United States44439 Posts
On March 18 2025 07:08 RenSC2 wrote: That's a very unfair characterization of the usage of DEI. DEI started as actual initiatives to improve diversity, equity, and inclusion. I personally think some of those initiatives were dubious (Blackjack's oft cited San Francisco school board exclusion of a white guy being one of them) and that there was a justified backlash against some of it. Many people who are anti-DEI were upset by the unfairness or outright stupidity of some of the initiatives. That it has gone from a backlash against unfair practices to basically a substitute for the n-word is a more recent phenomenon. There are clearly people in leadership using it as a n-word substitute, but that doesn't mean that everyone is using it that way or that even everyone in the Republican cult use it that way. I look at it a lot like Christianity. Christianity has become an excuse to spread hate and various fascistic beliefs (part of White Christian Nationalism). However, there are plenty of people who are true Christian believers. They don't understand that their fellow "Christians" don't actually believe in the teaching of Christ. So they stand side by side with them in defense of "Christianity" without realizing that they are standing against Christ's actual message. A lot of people are very slow to come around to such things. You're not disagreeing with anything I said. DEI as a slur has been in the open for at least a year at this point and the party has openly made a commitment to removing DEIs during that time. People cheered it. People voted for it. Now the party has power and they're removing all the DEIs. Anyone who is only now realizing that DEI means literally anyone not a cis, male, white, christian, able bodied man is the slowest horse in the race. They were not even slightly sublte about it. And anyone who still thinks it's a fringe element using it that way, and not the White House, is slower still. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On March 18 2025 07:08 RenSC2 wrote: I personally think some of those initiatives were dubious (Blackjack's oft cited San Francisco school board exclusion of a white guy being one of them) and that there was a justified backlash against some of it. Many people who are anti-DEI were upset by the unfairness or outright stupidity of some of the initiatives. Don't forget, he wasn't just a white guy. He was a homosexual white guy. Another DEI idea by the SF school board that I have oft criticized was their decision to make the admission process of Lowell high school lottery-based instead of merit-based due to a lack of diversity. Yet only 17% of their student body is white. How can that be...?! Well evidently the lack of diversity was because their were too many god damn asians and not enough black/hispanics. So changing the admission process was designed to thin the number of Asians in order to increase diversity. You've rightly point out that DEI is not strictly a white/black thing. Anyone can be affected by crazy SJW ideas, from gay men to Asian teenagers. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2454 Posts
https://www.tracingwoodgrains.com/p/the-full-story-of-the-faas-hiring This lays out how successful programs for training air traffic controllers and tests most strongly associated with on-job ability were gutted for the sake of quotas, essentially. Culminating in a "biographical questionairre" where one got points towards being an air traffic controller if they answered that their worst subject in school was science. I don't know how anyone can defend something like that. That said, your country is deleting the records of war heroes because of their race. Holy fuck. Kwark's right that the "DEI" term has become a dogwhistle but even knowing that, actions like those are basically unimaginable to me. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18488 Posts
On March 18 2025 09:04 Turbovolver wrote: It's worth knowing that the FAA air traffic control thing is actually very messed up too: https://www.tracingwoodgrains.com/p/the-full-story-of-the-faas-hiring This lays out how successful programs for training air traffic controllers and tests most strongly associated with on-job ability were gutted for the sake of quotas, essentially. Culminating in a "biographical questionairre" where one got points towards being an air traffic controller if they answered that their worst subject in school was science. I don't know how anyone can defend something like that. That said, your country is deleting the records of war heroes because of their race. Holy fuck. Kwark's right that the "DEI" term has become a dogwhistle but even knowing that, actions like those are basically unimaginable to me. Eh. There were reasons to kill the pre-2013 pipeline. There are obviously things wrong with that bio questionnaire too. It was also already killed. When a blog sounds like hype and sensation, be more skeptical. https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueReddit/comments/1aeeuo5/the_faas_hiring_scandal_a_quick_overview/kkb1n6z/ | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On March 18 2025 07:24 KwarK wrote: You're not disagreeing with anything I said. DEI as a slur has been in the open for at least a year at this point and the party has openly made a commitment to removing DEIs during that time. People cheered it. People voted for it. Now the party has power and they're removing all the DEIs. Anyone who is only now realizing that DEI means literally anyone not a cis, male, white, christian, able bodied man is the slowest horse in the race. They were not even slightly sublte about it. And anyone who still thinks it's a fringe element using it that way, and not the White House, is slower still. Not even subtle about it, and if one missed that, those who did decrypt this nigh-on unbreakable cipher told people about it. Those vaguely attuned to dogwhistle frequencies have been collective writhing in agony for fucking donkeys now. | ||
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baal
10708 Posts
On March 18 2025 07:24 KwarK wrote: Anyone who is only now realizing that DEI means literally anyone not a cis, male, white, christian, able bodied man is the slowest horse in the race. They were not even slightly sublte about it. And anyone who still thinks it's a fringe element using it that way, and not the White House, is slower still. It doesnt mean east asians either since they were not benefited by DEI practices. It's the natual result of any affirmative action program, people will assume that anybody of that benefited group did not earn their position, how about we stop treating races unequally for a change? | ||
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baal
10708 Posts
On March 17 2025 18:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Trump just made a Twitter post saying that Biden's pardons don't count. It looks like Trump is going to go after people that Biden had pardoned. There should be a rewriting of presidential pardons (not retroactively though), allowing presidents to pardon whoever they like is absurd, Biden's pardon of his son was absolute bullshit, why in the fuck is he above the law? | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2454 Posts
On March 18 2025 09:26 Acrofales wrote: Eh. There were reasons to kill the pre-2013 pipeline. There are obviously things wrong with that bio questionnaire too. It was also already killed. When a blog sounds like hype and sensation, be more skeptical. https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueReddit/comments/1aeeuo5/the_faas_hiring_scandal_a_quick_overview/kkb1n6z/ That doesn't refute the core of the blog at all, which acknowledges that this is only one part of the hiring issue. The particularly noteworthy thing is the ridiculous bio-Q, which, I'm glad to hear it's gone but that's all your linked redditor has to say on it, that it's gone now. Nothing to disclaim the notion that doing worst at science in school and in history at college, at that time, helped you get an ATC job. | ||
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KwarK
United States44439 Posts
On March 18 2025 10:38 baal wrote: It doesnt mean east asians either since they were not benefited by DEI practices. It's the natual result of any affirmative action program, people will assume that anybody of that benefited group did not earn their position, how about we stop treating races unequally for a change? Hi there slow horse. “DEI” as used by the right has nothing to do with affirmative action or DEI practices. Hopefully that clears it up for you. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46688 Posts
On March 18 2025 10:41 baal wrote: There should be a rewriting of presidential pardons (not retroactively though), allowing presidents to pardon whoever they like is absurd, Biden's pardon of his son was absolute bullshit, why in the fuck is he above the law? I don't think anyone ought to be above the law, and I agree with you that presidential pardons have too much power. Hunter Biden shouldn't be above the law, the January 6th insurrectionists shouldn't be above the law, etc. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46688 Posts
On March 18 2025 10:38 baal wrote: It doesnt mean east asians either since they were not benefited by DEI practices. It's the natual result of any affirmative action program, people will assume that anybody of that benefited group did not earn their position, how about we stop treating races unequally for a change? Academic researchers and Democrats tend to use "DEI" in the original, intended manner: promoting diversity, equity, and inclusion, to ensure that unqualified white people (especially straight/cis men) aren't given preferential treatment over qualified minorities. In other words, it's used to combat discrimination. (This is generally a good thing. Have there been fringe examples of overcorrection, such as the occasional ones that BlackJack has pointed out? Sure.) On the other hand, Republicans have been coopting the term to perpetuate discrimination, not reduce it. They've turned DEI into a boogeyman that can be blamed for anything and everything, and then they try to scapegoat minorities so that they can more easily push their white nationalist agenda. KwarK and others have given several examples of this recently, and it's vile and disgusting. Since many conservatives start with the premise that people of color and women and LGBTQ+ members are innately inferior, it resonates with them when Trump and other Republican leaders dismiss all minorities (even qualified ones doing jobs that they're experts in) as illegitimate DEI hires. They use DEI as a racist, sexist dogwhistle - a call to action, to despise and invalidate someone who doesn't look like them. | ||
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Hat Trick of Today
205 Posts
There’s a lot to be said about affirmative action being a really flawed solution to a systematic problem but it’s always odd that the same people whinging about its application in higher education never have any beef with legacy hires or applicants getting in through their connections or wealth. | ||
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baal
10708 Posts
On March 18 2025 10:50 KwarK wrote: Hi there slow horse. “DEI” as used by the right has nothing to do with affirmative action or DEI practices. Hopefully that clears it up for you. Could you point out a few instances where east asian men were refered to as DEI hires? About the "slow horse" thing, is ad-hominem cool in this thread? if so things are going to get fun :3 | ||
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