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On December 03 2024 17:42 EEk1TwEEk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2024 17:27 Velr wrote:
The US is basically just lending/selling old, no longer state of the art, weapons to Ukraine. It's even prohibiting Ukraine to use these weapons to their full potential.
Why is Russia still continuing this war? It has proven way more costly than it should and on top of it is an absolute embarassment for it's military and it's leadership. Because we don't want our people to be bombed, which happened from 2014 to 2022. We don't want american bases in Ukraine with missiles pointed at our cities, we don't want parades of the nazis in Ukraine. And what embarassement for leadership and military are you talking about? We are fighting against Nato, still winning, taking more territories from the nazi regime.
Are the nazi jews with anti-slavic pidgeons in your room right now?
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On December 03 2024 18:05 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2024 17:56 EEk1TwEEk wrote:On December 03 2024 17:51 Velr wrote:
Lol.
You attacked Ukraine in 2014.
You are not fighting against Nato.
There are and were no foreign military bases in Ukraine. Ukraine wasn't considered for Nato membership exactly to not piss off Russia.
As for embarassment:
The 3 day special operation is now in year 3 with no end in sight.
Russia fails to achieve full airspace control against a country with barely an airforce.
Russia lost its black sea fleet against a country whiteout a Navy.
Russia needs North Korean soldiers because it has troubles supporting its front.
Ukraine holds Russian territory, despite fighting with one hand tied behind it's back for the longest time.
You deserve every bomb that knocks on your roofs. Oh here we go again If we wanted to destroy Ukraine in 1 day, we would do that Nvm, dude, ukraine is winning "Joke is on you, my incompetence is just an act!"
There is no evidence of north koreans, apart from the cocained mind of Zelensky
We were like 90 km from Kiev, but turned back because of Minsk agreements, which fictional and gave time for ukranians to regroup
Airspace - we striked with a ballistic missile on Dnepropetrovsk, go check the map and tell me about airspace and the distance
Ukraine will soon be out of your territory, but do you remember what happened before Kursk? Zelensky wanted to sign a treaty of not bombing the power plants, which Putin agreed on - everyone called that Zelensky didn't want to escalate, which he did
We still have a Navy in the Black Sea, what are you talking about.
We might have the bombs on our roofs, but at least we have a pair of balls and a spine, which the always-neutral Switzerland lacks
In the end, choosing a clown for a president who is addicted to cocaine was a very bad idea for Ukraine.
P.S. Never voted for Putin, I always wanted him to go. But seems that our allies in the west are willing to continue the cold war. And that's why we no longer treat the west as an ally
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On December 03 2024 18:17 KT_Elwood wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2024 17:42 EEk1TwEEk wrote:On December 03 2024 17:27 Velr wrote:
The US is basically just lending/selling old, no longer state of the art, weapons to Ukraine. It's even prohibiting Ukraine to use these weapons to their full potential.
Why is Russia still continuing this war? It has proven way more costly than it should and on top of it is an absolute embarassment for it's military and it's leadership. Because we don't want our people to be bombed, which happened from 2014 to 2022. We don't want american bases in Ukraine with missiles pointed at our cities, we don't want parades of the nazis in Ukraine. And what embarassement for leadership and military are you talking about? We are fighting against Nato, still winning, taking more territories from the nazi regime. Are the nazi jews with anti-slavic pidgeons in your room right now?
Could you expand on that, I really don't understand you
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On December 03 2024 18:27 EEk1TwEEk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2024 18:05 Velr wrote:On December 03 2024 17:56 EEk1TwEEk wrote:On December 03 2024 17:51 Velr wrote:
Lol.
You attacked Ukraine in 2014.
You are not fighting against Nato.
There are and were no foreign military bases in Ukraine. Ukraine wasn't considered for Nato membership exactly to not piss off Russia.
As for embarassment:
The 3 day special operation is now in year 3 with no end in sight.
Russia fails to achieve full airspace control against a country with barely an airforce.
Russia lost its black sea fleet against a country whiteout a Navy.
Russia needs North Korean soldiers because it has troubles supporting its front.
Ukraine holds Russian territory, despite fighting with one hand tied behind it's back for the longest time.
You deserve every bomb that knocks on your roofs. Oh here we go again If we wanted to destroy Ukraine in 1 day, we would do that Nvm, dude, ukraine is winning "Joke is on you, my incompetence is just an act!" There is no evidence of north koreans, apart from the cocained mind of Zelensky We were like 90 km from Kiev, but turned back because of Minsk agreements, which fictional and gave time for ukranians to regroup Airspace - we striked with a ballistic missile on Dnepropetrovsk, go check the map and tell me about airspace and the distance Ukraine will soon be out of your territory, but do you remember what happened before Kursk? Zelensky wanted to sign a treaty of not bombing the power plants, which Putin agreed on - everyone called that Zelensky didn't want to escalate, which he did We still have a Navy in the Black Sea, what are you talking about. We might have the bombs on our roofs, but at least we have a pair of balls and a spine, which the always-neutral Switzerland lacks In the end, choosing a clown for a president who is addicted to cocaine was a very bad idea for Ukraine. P.S. Never voted for Putin, I always wanted him to go. But seems that our allies in the west are willing to continue the cold war. And that's why we no longer treat the west as an ally
There's a lot of silly shit in here. Russia never acted as an ally to the US we always extended a hand out and gave tons of money in russias darkest moment, how was that repaid?
North koreans in Ukraine isn't even a disputable thing at this point and is the furthest thing from being only a Ukrainian claim. The south Koreans confirmed it themselves. You guys were pushed out of kyiv because you got your asses kicked and your logistics is shit. We know Russia has never joined the palletizing community, something even China has done. Wtf does voteing for putin mean for anyone no one takes Russian elections seriously.
No one trusts Russians and they never have a reason to anymore. You've never been the good guy in any situation where you could be. We teach our kids not to like Russians because that's the only way to explain Russians.
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1. The easiest person to fool is yourself comrade.
2. And claiming that you could do something, but you don't want to.. is just another way of saying that you can't in fact do it.
(Which is an example of 1.)
(loose quotes of RP Feynman).
Your logic is deeply flawed, and nobody would change that.
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On December 03 2024 18:45 KT_Elwood wrote:
1. The easiest person to fool is yourself comrade.
2. And claiming that you could do something, but you don't want to.. is just another way of saying that you can't in fact do it.
(Which is an example of 1.)
(loose quotes of RP Feynman).
Your logic is deeply flawed, and nobody would change that.
Complete detour from the thread so sorry about this but there's great video for you on youtube about Feynman here:
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On December 03 2024 18:45 KT_Elwood wrote:
1. The easiest person to fool is yourself comrade.
2. And claiming that you could do something, but you don't want to.. is just another way of saying that you can't in fact do it.
(Which is an example of 1.)
(loose quotes of RP Feynman).
Your logic is deeply flawed, and nobody would change that.
you didn't give me a single argument for your position, and you didn't even point out your position, therefore I don't see any point of arguing with you
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On December 03 2024 17:57 EEk1TwEEk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2024 17:47 Simberto wrote:On December 03 2024 17:42 EEk1TwEEk wrote:On December 03 2024 17:27 Velr wrote:
The US is basically just lending/selling old, no longer state of the art, weapons to Ukraine. It's even prohibiting Ukraine to use these weapons to their full potential.
Why is Russia still continuing this war? It has proven way more costly than it should and on top of it is an absolute embarassment for it's military and it's leadership. Because we don't want our people to be bombed, which happened from 2014 to 2022. We don't want american bases in Ukraine with missiles pointed at our cities, we don't want parades of the nazis in Ukraine. And what embarassement for leadership and military are you talking about? We are fighting against Nato, still winning, taking more territories from the nazi regime. Your sources are really bad. You are a victim and/or a perpetrator of massive propaganda efforts. Any real arguments from you?
I have done this multiple times. Look in the Ukraine thread. No point argueing with you here, you'll be banned in a week at most anyways, because you will start to threaten and/or insult people, or turn out to be a PBU.
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On December 03 2024 18:42 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2024 18:27 EEk1TwEEk wrote:On December 03 2024 18:05 Velr wrote:On December 03 2024 17:56 EEk1TwEEk wrote:On December 03 2024 17:51 Velr wrote:
Lol.
You attacked Ukraine in 2014.
You are not fighting against Nato.
There are and were no foreign military bases in Ukraine. Ukraine wasn't considered for Nato membership exactly to not piss off Russia.
As for embarassment:
The 3 day special operation is now in year 3 with no end in sight.
Russia fails to achieve full airspace control against a country with barely an airforce.
Russia lost its black sea fleet against a country whiteout a Navy.
Russia needs North Korean soldiers because it has troubles supporting its front.
Ukraine holds Russian territory, despite fighting with one hand tied behind it's back for the longest time.
You deserve every bomb that knocks on your roofs. Oh here we go again If we wanted to destroy Ukraine in 1 day, we would do that Nvm, dude, ukraine is winning "Joke is on you, my incompetence is just an act!" There is no evidence of north koreans, apart from the cocained mind of Zelensky We were like 90 km from Kiev, but turned back because of Minsk agreements, which fictional and gave time for ukranians to regroup Airspace - we striked with a ballistic missile on Dnepropetrovsk, go check the map and tell me about airspace and the distance Ukraine will soon be out of your territory, but do you remember what happened before Kursk? Zelensky wanted to sign a treaty of not bombing the power plants, which Putin agreed on - everyone called that Zelensky didn't want to escalate, which he did We still have a Navy in the Black Sea, what are you talking about. We might have the bombs on our roofs, but at least we have a pair of balls and a spine, which the always-neutral Switzerland lacks In the end, choosing a clown for a president who is addicted to cocaine was a very bad idea for Ukraine. P.S. Never voted for Putin, I always wanted him to go. But seems that our allies in the west are willing to continue the cold war. And that's why we no longer treat the west as an ally There's a lot of silly shit in here. Russia never acted as an ally to the US we always extended a hand out and gave tons of money in russias darkest moment, how was that repaid? North koreans in Ukraine isn't even a disputable thing at this point and is the furthest thing from being only a Ukrainian claim. The south Koreans confirmed it themselves. You guys were pushed out of kyiv because you got your asses kicked and your logistics is shit. We know Russia has never joined the palletizing community, something even China has done. Wtf does voteing for putin mean for anyone no one takes Russian elections seriously. No one trusts Russians and they never have a reason to anymore. You've never been the good guy in any situation where you could be. We teach our kids not to like Russians because that's the only way to explain Russians.
Tons of money in our darkest hours? WOW! What are you referencing to now?
North koreans are never seen in the frontlines, that's a complete nonsense. I might admit that they carry out logistics, etc
And what's your problem with that? Ukraine has international legion, consisting of soldiers from all over the world
And do you really believe that we were ass kicked in 2022?
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On December 03 2024 11:38 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2024 23:23 Gahlo wrote:
The case against Hunter is entirely bunk. The only thing that resulted of it is MTG getting wank material. You guys realize the Republicans say the EXACT same thing about the Trump lawsuits right? You guys realize how all of this breaks down public trust in even the very belief in rule of law in this country right? I can't believe the level of cognitive dissonance Democrats are having on this topic right now. They are retroactively justifying ALL of the Whataboutisms that Republicans have been running with over the last 8 years.
They can say all they want, because they will regardless, and I haven't had any faith of rule of law in this country in decades. Nor am I a Democrat for anything but primary voting purposes.
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On December 03 2024 15:39 BlackJack wrote:
Biden is preserving the norms. He's preserving it by pardoning Hunter Biden. That's the norm. Am I in the Twilight zone or are people pretending that the rich and powerful getting away with things is something that Trump invented in the last few years? It's been that way for a long time. The Dems tried to convince everyone that the hush money trial was not an instance of political targeting and simply an instance of enforcing the ideal that "nobody is above the law." But nobody bought the charade. The idea that Dems should carry on with the charade anyway is nonsensical. If you oppose Joe Biden pardoning his son you should do it on the grounds that someone shouldn't get off because their father is President. You shouldn't oppose it for the idea that "Dems can't claim the high ground anymore" because nobody ever ceded them the high ground in the first place.
I'd like to preface this by saying lately BJ and I have agreed on literally nothing: this time I 100% agree with him.
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On December 03 2024 16:59 Azuzu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2024 16:12 Acrofales wrote:On December 03 2024 15:14 Azuzu wrote:On December 03 2024 13:09 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 03 2024 12:29 WombaT wrote:On December 03 2024 12:06 Azuzu wrote:On December 03 2024 11:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 02 2024 23:23 Gahlo wrote:
The case against Hunter is entirely bunk. The only thing that resulted of it is MTG getting wank material. You guys realize the Republicans say the EXACT same thing about the Trump lawsuits right? You guys realize how all of this breaks down public trust in even the very belief in rule of law in this country right? I can't believe the level of cognitive dissonance Democrats are having on this topic right now. They are retroactively justifying ALL of the Whataboutisms that Republicans have been running with over the last 8 years. We just had a referendum on rule of law, decorum, norms, and sanity and all of those things lost. The electorate doesn't care. I can't believe the level of cognitive dissonance Democrats are having on this topic right now either. They lost the election hugely and are still peddling the same nonsense that if Democrats just keep on maintaining norms, they can really stick it to those Republicans. In fact they need to maintain decorum even harder! That'll show 'em. I see so little engagement about whether the pardon is actually morally the right thing to do, and tons of Democrats willing to jump down Biden's throat about the optics of it. Certain norms are worth preserving regardless. Additionally if you say something like, I don’t know ‘I’m not going to pardon Hunter Biden’ and you go to do so, well it sends a certain message. Democrat voters also seem to care more about such things, they’re not Trump cultists and this kind of move just further disenfranchises a certain demographic who actually value principles Exactly. Just keep alienating the liberal base Democrats, because it's working SO well for you in the general elections. The next time the Democrats want to pretend like they occupy some kind of moral high ground and it doesn't move the electorate even the tiniest bit and they can't figure out why, shit like this is why. No one believes the Democrats are any better than the Republicans are, they're just better at virtue signaling that they care about stuff like this when they actually don't The false equivalence here is staggering. As if this one action somehow balances all of the norms, decorum, and rule of law violations that Republicans have done under Trump. And even that is only if you view this pardon as somehow a violation of any of those which I still do not. "Sure, we suck, but the other side is worse" convinced no one this election and is going to convince noone going forward. You want to say the rule of law is important, then you have to act like you believe it. If you want to take advantage of the shitty stuff your rickety constitution allows? Then stop with the hypocrisy. I think everyone knows pardoning Hunter Biden was morally wrong here. They are discussing the optics because they already decided the moral argument. In fact, Joe Biden already seems to have ceded the morality himself. There might be interesting questions here. Is the prosecution being unduly harsh because dropping the case might've been seen as partisan? Is the judge being unduly harsh because they might be secretly MAGA? While the case doesn't seem like it, it's possible. And it's just another sample of how outdated the constitution is, with a system designed for a very different system to today's USA. Amendments can and have happened but none that touch the fundamental structure, allowing political appointment of judges, using a non-representative electoral college and house of representatives, presidential pardons, etc. etc. etc. I did not say or imply "we suck but the other side is worse". I'm not sure where you got that. My position is actually: "Democrats are pretty fucking good (though not perfect) and if the electorate cared at all about rule of law, norms, or decorum, Kamala would be president elect." And: "The Hunter pardon is something I believe is morally correct given the surrounding context of a multi-year Republican political engine blitzkrieg for political gain that has shown no signs of slowing down against Hunter Biden. This persecution is purely because of his relationship with Joe Biden".
This is a very illustrative way of putting it. People are selecting their outrage because they either don't understand the situation from every angle or they don't care about every angle to begin with.
Here's more context:
https://x.com/Mitman93/status/1863691633650286595
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You wanna see nepotism?
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/why-was-charles-kushner-convicted-charges-against-trump-s-france-ambassador-pick-explained/ar-AA1v2Ieo
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On December 03 2024 20:10 EEk1TwEEk wrote:
And do you really believe that we were ass kicked in 2022?
Obviously not. Russia won, but decided to not break the Minsk agreements while breaking the Minsk Agreements.
You are obviously trolling.
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On December 03 2024 20:10 EEk1TwEEk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2024 18:42 Sermokala wrote:On December 03 2024 18:27 EEk1TwEEk wrote:On December 03 2024 18:05 Velr wrote:On December 03 2024 17:56 EEk1TwEEk wrote:On December 03 2024 17:51 Velr wrote:
Lol.
You attacked Ukraine in 2014.
You are not fighting against Nato.
There are and were no foreign military bases in Ukraine. Ukraine wasn't considered for Nato membership exactly to not piss off Russia.
As for embarassment:
The 3 day special operation is now in year 3 with no end in sight.
Russia fails to achieve full airspace control against a country with barely an airforce.
Russia lost its black sea fleet against a country whiteout a Navy.
Russia needs North Korean soldiers because it has troubles supporting its front.
Ukraine holds Russian territory, despite fighting with one hand tied behind it's back for the longest time.
You deserve every bomb that knocks on your roofs. Oh here we go again If we wanted to destroy Ukraine in 1 day, we would do that Nvm, dude, ukraine is winning "Joke is on you, my incompetence is just an act!" There is no evidence of north koreans, apart from the cocained mind of Zelensky We were like 90 km from Kiev, but turned back because of Minsk agreements, which fictional and gave time for ukranians to regroup Airspace - we striked with a ballistic missile on Dnepropetrovsk, go check the map and tell me about airspace and the distance Ukraine will soon be out of your territory, but do you remember what happened before Kursk? Zelensky wanted to sign a treaty of not bombing the power plants, which Putin agreed on - everyone called that Zelensky didn't want to escalate, which he did We still have a Navy in the Black Sea, what are you talking about. We might have the bombs on our roofs, but at least we have a pair of balls and a spine, which the always-neutral Switzerland lacks In the end, choosing a clown for a president who is addicted to cocaine was a very bad idea for Ukraine. P.S. Never voted for Putin, I always wanted him to go. But seems that our allies in the west are willing to continue the cold war. And that's why we no longer treat the west as an ally There's a lot of silly shit in here. Russia never acted as an ally to the US we always extended a hand out and gave tons of money in russias darkest moment, how was that repaid? North koreans in Ukraine isn't even a disputable thing at this point and is the furthest thing from being only a Ukrainian claim. The south Koreans confirmed it themselves. You guys were pushed out of kyiv because you got your asses kicked and your logistics is shit. We know Russia has never joined the palletizing community, something even China has done. Wtf does voteing for putin mean for anyone no one takes Russian elections seriously. No one trusts Russians and they never have a reason to anymore. You've never been the good guy in any situation where you could be. We teach our kids not to like Russians because that's the only way to explain Russians. Tons of money in our darkest hours? WOW! What are you referencing to now? North koreans are never seen in the frontlines, that's a complete nonsense. I might admit that they carry out logistics, etc And what's your problem with that? Ukraine has international legion, consisting of soldiers from all over the world And do you really believe that we were ass kicked in 2022?
I mean the lazy person would say world War 2 but man the 90s weren't that long ago. Do they really not teach you about the many times russia has had to be bailed out in the hopes that you would show any kind of potential to be normal.
Do you think the international fighters who volunteered to go to Ukraine are the same as North Korean fighters being sent in their formations into the war? I'm glad you can admit that they are even there you should tell zeo he's behind the narrative on that.
Do you think they are only there because they are needed for logistics? Do you realize how embarrassing that alone is to admit? Do you think the north koreans are better at logistics than Russia? Do you think they're in a position to consent with this deployment?
And yeah this war is the most well documented war ever. Civilians have access to satellite photos and Russia didn't exactly try hard to cover up what it did. Do you think that Russia did well in the battle of kyiv?
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On December 03 2024 13:09 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2024 12:29 WombaT wrote:On December 03 2024 12:06 Azuzu wrote:On December 03 2024 11:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 02 2024 23:23 Gahlo wrote:
The case against Hunter is entirely bunk. The only thing that resulted of it is MTG getting wank material. You guys realize the Republicans say the EXACT same thing about the Trump lawsuits right? You guys realize how all of this breaks down public trust in even the very belief in rule of law in this country right? I can't believe the level of cognitive dissonance Democrats are having on this topic right now. They are retroactively justifying ALL of the Whataboutisms that Republicans have been running with over the last 8 years. We just had a referendum on rule of law, decorum, norms, and sanity and all of those things lost. The electorate doesn't care. I can't believe the level of cognitive dissonance Democrats are having on this topic right now either. They lost the election hugely and are still peddling the same nonsense that if Democrats just keep on maintaining norms, they can really stick it to those Republicans. In fact they need to maintain decorum even harder! That'll show 'em. I see so little engagement about whether the pardon is actually morally the right thing to do, and tons of Democrats willing to jump down Biden's throat about the optics of it. Certain norms are worth preserving regardless. Additionally if you say something like, I don’t know ‘I’m not going to pardon Hunter Biden’ and you go to do so, well it sends a certain message. Democrat voters also seem to care more about such things, they’re not Trump cultists and this kind of move just further disenfranchises a certain demographic who actually value principles Exactly. Just keep alienating the liberal base Democrats, because it's working SO well for you in the general elections. The next time the Democrats want to pretend like they occupy some kind of moral high ground and it doesn't move the electorate even the tiniest bit and they can't figure out why, shit like this is why. No one believes the Democrats are any better than the Republicans are, they're just better at virtue signaling that they care about stuff like this when they actually don't
Completely wrong and terrible take. There are real substantive differences between the two parties that have real and serious impacts on the lives of Americans. The idea that both parties are trash therefore both parties are equally trash therefore both parties are the same is the reductive reasoning of a moron and fails to hold up to even basic scrutiny. Their policies are extremely different in ways that directly impact Americans daily. Which party has power matters.
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On December 03 2024 17:42 EEk1TwEEk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2024 17:27 Velr wrote:
The US is basically just lending/selling old, no longer state of the art, weapons to Ukraine. It's even prohibiting Ukraine to use these weapons to their full potential.
Why is Russia still continuing this war? It has proven way more costly than it should and on top of it is an absolute embarassment for it's military and it's leadership. Because we don't want our people to be bombed, which happened from 2014 to 2022. We don't want american bases in Ukraine with missiles pointed at our cities, we don't want parades of the nazis in Ukraine. And what embarassement for leadership and military are you talking about? We are fighting against Nato, still winning, taking more territories from the nazi regime.
No one was getting bombed in 2021. Look up the civilian casualties per year. They peaked in 2014 during the Russian invasion of the Donbas and were single digits per year by 2019. The idea that there was a war there which Russia needed to intervene to stop is simply false. The Donbas was at peace in 2013, Russia broke that peace. It was at peace in 2021, Russia again broke that peace. If Russian speaking Ukrainian civilians are dying it is because of Russia. They were not before the invasion.
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On December 03 2024 18:27 EEk1TwEEk wrote:
We were like 90 km from Kiev, but turned back because of Minsk agreements, which fictional and gave time for ukranians to regroup
In a way it’s like how the Wehrmacht made it to the outskirts of Moscow in 1941 but then voluntarily turned around and gave the land back to the Red Army out of respect for the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. They then continued to make gestures of good faith and cooperation across Ukraine, Poland, and even in Berlin.
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On December 04 2024 00:41 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2024 17:42 EEk1TwEEk wrote:On December 03 2024 17:27 Velr wrote:
The US is basically just lending/selling old, no longer state of the art, weapons to Ukraine. It's even prohibiting Ukraine to use these weapons to their full potential.
Why is Russia still continuing this war? It has proven way more costly than it should and on top of it is an absolute embarassment for it's military and it's leadership. Because we don't want our people to be bombed, which happened from 2014 to 2022. We don't want american bases in Ukraine with missiles pointed at our cities, we don't want parades of the nazis in Ukraine. And what embarassement for leadership and military are you talking about? We are fighting against Nato, still winning, taking more territories from the nazi regime. No one was getting bombed in 2021. Look up the civilian casualties per year. They peaked in 2014 during the Russian invasion of the Donbas and were single digits per year by 2019. The idea that there was a war there which Russia needed to intervene to stop is simply false. The Donbas was at peace in 2013, Russia broke that peace. It was at peace in 2021, Russia again broke that peace. If Russian speaking Ukrainian civilians are dying it is because of Russia. They were not before the invasion.
Let's not forget Russia killing tens of thousands of men from Donbas by using them as cannon fodder. Not to mention potentially hundreds of thousands of civilian victims in Eastern Ukraine.
EEk1TwEEk, this is some unhinged fascist brain rot.
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On December 03 2024 15:39 BlackJack wrote:
Biden is preserving the norms. He's preserving it by pardoning Hunter Biden. That's the norm. Am I in the Twilight zone or are people pretending that the rich and powerful getting away with things is something that Trump invented in the last few years? It's been that way for a long time. The Dems tried to convince everyone that the hush money trial was not an instance of political targeting and simply an instance of enforcing the ideal that "nobody is above the law." But nobody bought the charade. The idea that Dems should carry on with the charade anyway is nonsensical. If you oppose Joe Biden pardoning his son you should do it on the grounds that someone shouldn't get off because their father is President. You shouldn't oppose it for the idea that "Dems can't claim the high ground anymore" because nobody ever ceded them the high ground in the first place.
Honestly, if I didnt know better, I would've asked if you are new to this thread  .
Bolded - whether anyone ceded them moral high ground is irrelevant, what matters, is their self perception of having moral high ground, simply because that's all they have/are able to understand (with some exceptions). Tbh, if Democrats run on something like free education, free health care, and take money of the politics (and no Kamala) it would be sweep other way. Their entire platform though, was : we are better than Orange Man, then they proceeded to prove they are not. All they have, even now, is "but Trump...". Honestly I thought Dems will win next election by default, now I think if they don't acknowledge some mistakes, then independent candidate may be actually valid choice.
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On December 04 2024 11:26 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2024 15:39 BlackJack wrote:
Biden is preserving the norms. He's preserving it by pardoning Hunter Biden. That's the norm. Am I in the Twilight zone or are people pretending that the rich and powerful getting away with things is something that Trump invented in the last few years? It's been that way for a long time. The Dems tried to convince everyone that the hush money trial was not an instance of political targeting and simply an instance of enforcing the ideal that "nobody is above the law." But nobody bought the charade. The idea that Dems should carry on with the charade anyway is nonsensical. If you oppose Joe Biden pardoning his son you should do it on the grounds that someone shouldn't get off because their father is President. You shouldn't oppose it for the idea that "Dems can't claim the high ground anymore" because nobody ever ceded them the high ground in the first place. Honestly, if I didnt know better, I would've asked if you are new to this thread . Bolded - whether anyone ceded them moral high ground is irrelevant, what matters, is their self perception of having moral high ground, simply because that's all they have/are able to understand (with some exceptions). Tbh, if Democrats run on something like free education, free health care, and take money of the politics (and no Kamala) it would be sweep other way. Their entire platform though, was : we are better than Orange Man, then they proceeded to prove they are not. All they have, even now, is "but Trump...". Honestly I thought Dems will win next election by default, now I think if they don't acknowledge some mistakes, then independent candidate may be actually valid choice.
When you say "free education" and "free healthcare", do you mean education and healthcare subsidized by taxes and the federal budget? Because that's not actually free.
And no, the Democrats' platform was not "we are better than Orange Man". It's never been that. Do Democrats say that they're better than Trump? Yes, but they also have policies and substance to back it up. Biden actually had a political agenda in 2020, and Harris did in 2024, and it wasn't just "I'm not Trump". Ten seconds of listening to Harris's economic proposals and vision of America could have clarified that misconception of yours. Of course it's the case that Trump also sucks, but Harris didn't run on "Trump sucks". She ran on cutting taxes for everyday Americans, increasing the minimum wage, increasing childcare and housing credits, stopping price gougers of groceries and medicine, building millions of additional homes, making healthcare more inclusive, promoting stronger unions, investing in energy options and the environment, and so much more.
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