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Ron DeSantis has one key advantage over Trump- he's competent. Whatever you may think about his policies, he has been very effective in pushing for his vision without everything falling apart.
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On November 09 2022 15:14 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 15:04 Slaughter wrote:
I think DeSantis knows how to appeal and galvanize the base same as Trump without saying the quiet parts out loud. Though stunts like shipping immigrants to Martha's Vineyard certainly won't help him in national elections. Crist was not it for Florida Dems
Also I think he would def come out on top of Trump 1v1 but Trump is a viciously sore loser who won't rally behind someone who beat him like the other GOP politicians. He has taken quite the advantage over the fact that the spotlight has been on Trump for so long. Already people are starting to take a closer look at him now as he gains momentum and we are already seeing stories drop about him like his partying with underage girls story that came out recently. He is Trump with a better coat of paint and if that moniker sticks Dems could be similarly motivated to stop his ascension.
Could he win still? Sure, but inflation won't last forever and if the economy is in recovery mode by the next election he will have far less ammunition to strike at Biden with. that didn't help HWB. He had a recession start and end in his term and was held accountable for it, even though it ended before the election in 92. It's one thing to come into office when things are already bad (Reagan, Obama) another to own them entirely. Remember, Trump was deeply unliked in 2020 and yet Biden barely squeaked past him. Biden is weak, and has been at low approval even before the economy went south (August of last year). and I don't think you can discount his obvious cognitive decline. but things just go interesting for dems, people like Newsom were setting up for a run. now? who knows. edit: to drive this home, president's parties never do this well when they have approval in the low 40s. he's not popular. to me it seems like this is about Trump, who refuses to go away like most normal ex-presidents.
I don't know if losing by 7 million votes counts as barely squeaking by him.
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that's based on the media you consume.
Thank you, that helps to better categorize your posts.
Maybe one simply has to get used to the idea that more and more people are vocal about how little respect they have for other human beings, and no longer hiding their discontempt for people they deem inferior.
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On November 09 2022 15:17 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 15:14 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 15:04 Slaughter wrote:
I think DeSantis knows how to appeal and galvanize the base same as Trump without saying the quiet parts out loud. Though stunts like shipping immigrants to Martha's Vineyard certainly won't help him in national elections. Crist was not it for Florida Dems
Also I think he would def come out on top of Trump 1v1 but Trump is a viciously sore loser who won't rally behind someone who beat him like the other GOP politicians. He has taken quite the advantage over the fact that the spotlight has been on Trump for so long. Already people are starting to take a closer look at him now as he gains momentum and we are already seeing stories drop about him like his partying with underage girls story that came out recently. He is Trump with a better coat of paint and if that moniker sticks Dems could be similarly motivated to stop his ascension.
Could he win still? Sure, but inflation won't last forever and if the economy is in recovery mode by the next election he will have far less ammunition to strike at Biden with. that didn't help HWB. He had a recession start and end in his term and was held accountable for it, even though it ended before the election in 92. It's one thing to come into office when things are already bad (Reagan, Obama) another to own them entirely. Remember, Trump was deeply unliked in 2020 and yet Biden barely squeaked past him. Biden is weak, and has been at low approval even before the economy went south (August of last year). and I don't think you can discount his obvious cognitive decline. but things just go interesting for dems, people like Newsom were setting up for a run. now? who knows. edit: to drive this home, president's parties never do this well when they have approval in the low 40s. he's not popular. to me it seems like this is about Trump, who refuses to go away like most normal ex-presidents. I don't know if losing by 7 million votes counts as barely squeaking by him.
Biden's margins in the swing states for the electoral college was about what Trump's was in 2016, iirc. and that's with more votes cast. It was razor thin
On November 09 2022 15:20 Symplectos wrote:Thank you, that helps to better categorize your posts. Maybe one simply has to get used to the idea that more and more people are vocal about how little respect they have for other human beings, and no longer hiding their discontempt for people they deem inferior.
yes, I may be the last traditional American conservative in this thread.
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On November 09 2022 15:10 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 15:08 ChristianS wrote:
Didn’t DeSantis basically invent the calling people “groomers” thing? Seems like he’s been on the front line of every hot button culture war issue, that’s hardly “not needlessly antagonizing people.” key word "needless" i suppose there is a lot of room there.
Is the implication here that you’d consider calling people groomers “needed”? + Show Spoiler +not sure I actually want you to answer that.
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On November 09 2022 15:23 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 15:10 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 15:08 ChristianS wrote:
Didn’t DeSantis basically invent the calling people “groomers” thing? Seems like he’s been on the front line of every hot button culture war issue, that’s hardly “not needlessly antagonizing people.” key word "needless" i suppose there is a lot of room there. Is the implication here that you’d consider calling people groomers “needed”? + Show Spoiler +not sure I actually want you to answer that. I mean I get the juxtaposition is with Trump who absolutely cannot help (more or less literally) tilting at windmills, but nearly every major DeSantis policy has fallen firmly under the “red meat for the base” heading.
well to take these things together (and it is getting past my bed time), I think the fact that the education bill they passed was so overwhelming popular kind of speaks to both points. it wasn't divisive, and it wasn't just red meat. he let's the left overplay themselves, i mean imagine arguing that it's some great wrong to ban teaching that stuff to kids in kindergarten through 3rd grade. nuts.
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If it's Desantis vs Biden in 2024 I'd expect a solid Desantis win. Hopefully Biden decides not to run on his own, feeling doubtful about that though.
This makes the senate race all the more important because imagining three branches of GOP is genuinely terrible.
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On November 09 2022 15:29 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 15:22 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 15:17 Slaughter wrote:On November 09 2022 15:14 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 15:04 Slaughter wrote:
I think DeSantis knows how to appeal and galvanize the base same as Trump without saying the quiet parts out loud. Though stunts like shipping immigrants to Martha's Vineyard certainly won't help him in national elections. Crist was not it for Florida Dems
Also I think he would def come out on top of Trump 1v1 but Trump is a viciously sore loser who won't rally behind someone who beat him like the other GOP politicians. He has taken quite the advantage over the fact that the spotlight has been on Trump for so long. Already people are starting to take a closer look at him now as he gains momentum and we are already seeing stories drop about him like his partying with underage girls story that came out recently. He is Trump with a better coat of paint and if that moniker sticks Dems could be similarly motivated to stop his ascension.
Could he win still? Sure, but inflation won't last forever and if the economy is in recovery mode by the next election he will have far less ammunition to strike at Biden with. that didn't help HWB. He had a recession start and end in his term and was held accountable for it, even though it ended before the election in 92. It's one thing to come into office when things are already bad (Reagan, Obama) another to own them entirely. Remember, Trump was deeply unliked in 2020 and yet Biden barely squeaked past him. Biden is weak, and has been at low approval even before the economy went south (August of last year). and I don't think you can discount his obvious cognitive decline. but things just go interesting for dems, people like Newsom were setting up for a run. now? who knows. edit: to drive this home, president's parties never do this well when they have approval in the low 40s. he's not popular. to me it seems like this is about Trump, who refuses to go away like most normal ex-presidents. I don't know if losing by 7 million votes counts as barely squeaking by him. Biden's margins in the swing states for the electoral college was about what Trump's was in 2016, iirc. and that's with more votes cast. It was razor thin On November 09 2022 15:20 Symplectos wrote:that's based on the media you consume. Thank you, that helps to better categorize your posts. Maybe one simply has to get used to the idea that more and more people are vocal about how little respect they have for other human beings, and no longer hiding their discontempt for people they deem inferior. yes, I may be the last traditional American conservative in this thread. And God willing there will never be another one after you
hm, sounds boring. sounds safe-space like 
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On November 09 2022 15:29 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 15:22 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 15:17 Slaughter wrote:On November 09 2022 15:14 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 15:04 Slaughter wrote:
I think DeSantis knows how to appeal and galvanize the base same as Trump without saying the quiet parts out loud. Though stunts like shipping immigrants to Martha's Vineyard certainly won't help him in national elections. Crist was not it for Florida Dems
Also I think he would def come out on top of Trump 1v1 but Trump is a viciously sore loser who won't rally behind someone who beat him like the other GOP politicians. He has taken quite the advantage over the fact that the spotlight has been on Trump for so long. Already people are starting to take a closer look at him now as he gains momentum and we are already seeing stories drop about him like his partying with underage girls story that came out recently. He is Trump with a better coat of paint and if that moniker sticks Dems could be similarly motivated to stop his ascension.
Could he win still? Sure, but inflation won't last forever and if the economy is in recovery mode by the next election he will have far less ammunition to strike at Biden with. that didn't help HWB. He had a recession start and end in his term and was held accountable for it, even though it ended before the election in 92. It's one thing to come into office when things are already bad (Reagan, Obama) another to own them entirely. Remember, Trump was deeply unliked in 2020 and yet Biden barely squeaked past him. Biden is weak, and has been at low approval even before the economy went south (August of last year). and I don't think you can discount his obvious cognitive decline. but things just go interesting for dems, people like Newsom were setting up for a run. now? who knows. edit: to drive this home, president's parties never do this well when they have approval in the low 40s. he's not popular. to me it seems like this is about Trump, who refuses to go away like most normal ex-presidents. I don't know if losing by 7 million votes counts as barely squeaking by him. Biden's margins in the swing states for the electoral college was about what Trump's was in 2016, iirc. and that's with more votes cast. It was razor thin On November 09 2022 15:20 Symplectos wrote:that's based on the media you consume. Thank you, that helps to better categorize your posts. Maybe one simply has to get used to the idea that more and more people are vocal about how little respect they have for other human beings, and no longer hiding their discontempt for people they deem inferior. yes, I may be the last traditional American conservative in this thread. And God willing there will never be another one after you
Tbh Introvert is one of the posters I value the most, as he is genuine, not hostile even in the face of hostility, and represents an important pov in the context of American politics. I obviously don't want him to have political influence, but I highly value his presence. 
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On November 09 2022 15:34 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 15:32 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 15:29 plasmidghost wrote:On November 09 2022 15:22 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 15:17 Slaughter wrote:On November 09 2022 15:14 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 15:04 Slaughter wrote:
I think DeSantis knows how to appeal and galvanize the base same as Trump without saying the quiet parts out loud. Though stunts like shipping immigrants to Martha's Vineyard certainly won't help him in national elections. Crist was not it for Florida Dems
Also I think he would def come out on top of Trump 1v1 but Trump is a viciously sore loser who won't rally behind someone who beat him like the other GOP politicians. He has taken quite the advantage over the fact that the spotlight has been on Trump for so long. Already people are starting to take a closer look at him now as he gains momentum and we are already seeing stories drop about him like his partying with underage girls story that came out recently. He is Trump with a better coat of paint and if that moniker sticks Dems could be similarly motivated to stop his ascension.
Could he win still? Sure, but inflation won't last forever and if the economy is in recovery mode by the next election he will have far less ammunition to strike at Biden with. that didn't help HWB. He had a recession start and end in his term and was held accountable for it, even though it ended before the election in 92. It's one thing to come into office when things are already bad (Reagan, Obama) another to own them entirely. Remember, Trump was deeply unliked in 2020 and yet Biden barely squeaked past him. Biden is weak, and has been at low approval even before the economy went south (August of last year). and I don't think you can discount his obvious cognitive decline. but things just go interesting for dems, people like Newsom were setting up for a run. now? who knows. edit: to drive this home, president's parties never do this well when they have approval in the low 40s. he's not popular. to me it seems like this is about Trump, who refuses to go away like most normal ex-presidents. I don't know if losing by 7 million votes counts as barely squeaking by him. Biden's margins in the swing states for the electoral college was about what Trump's was in 2016, iirc. and that's with more votes cast. It was razor thin On November 09 2022 15:20 Symplectos wrote:that's based on the media you consume. Thank you, that helps to better categorize your posts. Maybe one simply has to get used to the idea that more and more people are vocal about how little respect they have for other human beings, and no longer hiding their discontempt for people they deem inferior. yes, I may be the last traditional American conservative in this thread. And God willing there will never be another one after you hm, sounds boring. sounds safe-space like Rather be in a boring safe space than have a fascist like you exist
don't worry, I still live in CA for now. I'm pretty harmless
On November 09 2022 15:37 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 15:35 Liquid`Drone wrote:On November 09 2022 15:29 plasmidghost wrote:On November 09 2022 15:22 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 15:17 Slaughter wrote:On November 09 2022 15:14 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 15:04 Slaughter wrote:
I think DeSantis knows how to appeal and galvanize the base same as Trump without saying the quiet parts out loud. Though stunts like shipping immigrants to Martha's Vineyard certainly won't help him in national elections. Crist was not it for Florida Dems
Also I think he would def come out on top of Trump 1v1 but Trump is a viciously sore loser who won't rally behind someone who beat him like the other GOP politicians. He has taken quite the advantage over the fact that the spotlight has been on Trump for so long. Already people are starting to take a closer look at him now as he gains momentum and we are already seeing stories drop about him like his partying with underage girls story that came out recently. He is Trump with a better coat of paint and if that moniker sticks Dems could be similarly motivated to stop his ascension.
Could he win still? Sure, but inflation won't last forever and if the economy is in recovery mode by the next election he will have far less ammunition to strike at Biden with. that didn't help HWB. He had a recession start and end in his term and was held accountable for it, even though it ended before the election in 92. It's one thing to come into office when things are already bad (Reagan, Obama) another to own them entirely. Remember, Trump was deeply unliked in 2020 and yet Biden barely squeaked past him. Biden is weak, and has been at low approval even before the economy went south (August of last year). and I don't think you can discount his obvious cognitive decline. but things just go interesting for dems, people like Newsom were setting up for a run. now? who knows. edit: to drive this home, president's parties never do this well when they have approval in the low 40s. he's not popular. to me it seems like this is about Trump, who refuses to go away like most normal ex-presidents. I don't know if losing by 7 million votes counts as barely squeaking by him. Biden's margins in the swing states for the electoral college was about what Trump's was in 2016, iirc. and that's with more votes cast. It was razor thin On November 09 2022 15:20 Symplectos wrote:that's based on the media you consume. Thank you, that helps to better categorize your posts. Maybe one simply has to get used to the idea that more and more people are vocal about how little respect they have for other human beings, and no longer hiding their discontempt for people they deem inferior. yes, I may be the last traditional American conservative in this thread. And God willing there will never be another one after you Tbh Introvert is one of the posters I value the most, as he is genuine, not hostile even in the face of hostility, and represents an important pov in the context of American politics. I obviously don't want him to have political influence, but I highly value his presence. Well given that he openly supports a man trying to make it illegal for trans people to exist in Florida, I think your value is sorely misplaced
needless to say neither of these lasts posts are accurate, but that for another time.
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Evers and Whitmer hold their governor's seats in WI and MI. Democrats keep the state executive in the three key parts of the blue wall. Though WI's state legislature is going to turn into a GOP supermajority from what I've read, so Evers will be struggling.
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On November 09 2022 15:26 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 15:23 ChristianS wrote:On November 09 2022 15:10 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 15:08 ChristianS wrote:
Didn’t DeSantis basically invent the calling people “groomers” thing? Seems like he’s been on the front line of every hot button culture war issue, that’s hardly “not needlessly antagonizing people.” key word "needless" i suppose there is a lot of room there. Is the implication here that you’d consider calling people groomers “needed”? + Show Spoiler +not sure I actually want you to answer that. I mean I get the juxtaposition is with Trump who absolutely cannot help (more or less literally) tilting at windmills, but nearly every major DeSantis policy has fallen firmly under the “red meat for the base” heading. well to take these things together (and it is getting past my bed time), I think the fact that the education bill they passed was so overwhelming popular kind of speaks to both points. it wasn't divisive, and it wasn't just red meat. he let's the left overplay themselves, i mean imagine arguing that it's some great wrong to ban teaching that stuff to kids in kindergarten through 3rd grade. nuts.
Yeah, it’s past my bedtime too.
Book banning? Don’t Say Gay? Blatantly unconstitutional social media bill? Weird culture war against Disney? Fuck, chartering a plane to send migrants from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard? I mean Jesus Christ, he’s practically been licking camera lenses he’s been so eager for attention. I get it, he’s effective at selling what you’d like people to buy, but come on, don’t try to tell me the guy paying Christina Pushaw is some “common sense” moderate who “doesn’t needlessly antagonize people.” He’s maybe the single most influential figure in deciding Republicans were gonna run on CRT and trans panic this cycle.
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On November 09 2022 15:39 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 15:26 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 15:23 ChristianS wrote:On November 09 2022 15:10 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 15:08 ChristianS wrote:
Didn’t DeSantis basically invent the calling people “groomers” thing? Seems like he’s been on the front line of every hot button culture war issue, that’s hardly “not needlessly antagonizing people.” key word "needless" i suppose there is a lot of room there. Is the implication here that you’d consider calling people groomers “needed”? + Show Spoiler +not sure I actually want you to answer that. I mean I get the juxtaposition is with Trump who absolutely cannot help (more or less literally) tilting at windmills, but nearly every major DeSantis policy has fallen firmly under the “red meat for the base” heading. well to take these things together (and it is getting past my bed time), I think the fact that the education bill they passed was so overwhelming popular kind of speaks to both points. it wasn't divisive, and it wasn't just red meat. he let's the left overplay themselves, i mean imagine arguing that it's some great wrong to ban teaching that stuff to kids in kindergarten through 3rd grade. nuts. Yeah, it’s past my bedtime too. Book banning? Don’t Say Gay? Blatantly unconstitutional social media bill? Weird culture war against Disney? Fuck, chartering a plane to send migrants from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard? I mean Jesus Christ, he’s practically been licking camera lenses he’s been so eager for attention. I get it, he’s effective at selling what you’d like people to buy, but come on, don’t try to tell me the guy paying Christina Pushaw is some “common sense” moderate who “doesn’t needlessly antagonize people.” He’s maybe the single most influential figure in deciding Republicans were gonna run on CRT and trans panic this cycle.
I didn't say moderate He's a Tea Party type alright. Just again, I guess the word "needlessly" is doing some heavy lifting. but at at the end of tonight's consideration, we ought to think about how he managed to win by so much. Florida is becoming more red, but he did like 15 points better than Trump in 2020. he's convincing someone, or lots of someones.
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On November 09 2022 15:35 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 15:29 plasmidghost wrote:On November 09 2022 15:22 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 15:17 Slaughter wrote:On November 09 2022 15:14 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 15:04 Slaughter wrote:
I think DeSantis knows how to appeal and galvanize the base same as Trump without saying the quiet parts out loud. Though stunts like shipping immigrants to Martha's Vineyard certainly won't help him in national elections. Crist was not it for Florida Dems
Also I think he would def come out on top of Trump 1v1 but Trump is a viciously sore loser who won't rally behind someone who beat him like the other GOP politicians. He has taken quite the advantage over the fact that the spotlight has been on Trump for so long. Already people are starting to take a closer look at him now as he gains momentum and we are already seeing stories drop about him like his partying with underage girls story that came out recently. He is Trump with a better coat of paint and if that moniker sticks Dems could be similarly motivated to stop his ascension.
Could he win still? Sure, but inflation won't last forever and if the economy is in recovery mode by the next election he will have far less ammunition to strike at Biden with. that didn't help HWB. He had a recession start and end in his term and was held accountable for it, even though it ended before the election in 92. It's one thing to come into office when things are already bad (Reagan, Obama) another to own them entirely. Remember, Trump was deeply unliked in 2020 and yet Biden barely squeaked past him. Biden is weak, and has been at low approval even before the economy went south (August of last year). and I don't think you can discount his obvious cognitive decline. but things just go interesting for dems, people like Newsom were setting up for a run. now? who knows. edit: to drive this home, president's parties never do this well when they have approval in the low 40s. he's not popular. to me it seems like this is about Trump, who refuses to go away like most normal ex-presidents. I don't know if losing by 7 million votes counts as barely squeaking by him. Biden's margins in the swing states for the electoral college was about what Trump's was in 2016, iirc. and that's with more votes cast. It was razor thin On November 09 2022 15:20 Symplectos wrote:that's based on the media you consume. Thank you, that helps to better categorize your posts. Maybe one simply has to get used to the idea that more and more people are vocal about how little respect they have for other human beings, and no longer hiding their discontempt for people they deem inferior. yes, I may be the last traditional American conservative in this thread. And God willing there will never be another one after you Tbh Introvert is one of the posters I value the most, as he is genuine, not hostile even in the face of hostility, and represents an important pov in the context of American politics. I obviously don't want him to have political influence, but I highly value his presence. I often feel like Introvert can be very hostile, but subtle about it. It reminds me of the way kids used to find ways to be incredibly mean to each other in a way that gives them plausible deniability if their victim goes to adults for respite.
But it's kind of hard for a happy Republican to not come across as hostile these days, as the things they're happy about are often bad things happening to powerless people or events that mean bad things will soon be happening to powerless people.
On November 09 2022 15:14 gobbledydook wrote:
Ron DeSantis has one key advantage over Trump- he's competent. Whatever you may think about his policies, he has been very effective in pushing for his vision without everything falling apart. Desantis being competent is the scariest thing about him. He has the same disdain for the rule of law as Trump, but he is far more effective about acting on that disdain.
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