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On November 09 2022 11:55 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 11:51 Slaughter wrote:On November 09 2022 11:49 plasmidghost wrote:
Looks like Walker wins outright in Georgia So much for the "party of christian values" lmao they show their true colors more and more every day. consider Warnock's... personal issues and lefty voting record, it's totally understandable how people could still vote for Walker. Warnock is awful.
Christian values far better align with the progressive left. Anyone claiming otherwise is selling you something. Walker is the epitome of everything bad in politics and what people claim to hate about politicians but hey he has a fancy R next to his name and we have to own the libs amirite?
Also Whitmer bad? Ok bud.
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On November 09 2022 11:59 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 11:55 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 11:51 Slaughter wrote:On November 09 2022 11:49 plasmidghost wrote:
Looks like Walker wins outright in Georgia So much for the "party of christian values" lmao they show their true colors more and more every day. consider Warnock's... personal issues and lefty voting record, it's totally understandable how people could still vote for Walker. Warnock is awful. Christian values far better align with the progressive left. Anyone claiming otherwise is selling you something. Walker is the epitome of everything bad in politics and what people claim to hate about politicians but hey he has a fancy R next to his name and we have to own the libs amirite? Also Whitmer bad? Ok bud.
See, you shifted instantly to "progressive left" and scooted past Warnock's own issues. and most evangelicials don't view abortion till birth as a particularly moral position, so when compared to Walker who promises to vote against that.. yeah, not hard.
as for Whitmer, I meant a shame she will prob survive. Dixon is the less than stellar candidate.
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On November 09 2022 11:59 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 11:55 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 11:51 Slaughter wrote:On November 09 2022 11:49 plasmidghost wrote:
Looks like Walker wins outright in Georgia So much for the "party of christian values" lmao they show their true colors more and more every day. consider Warnock's... personal issues and lefty voting record, it's totally understandable how people could still vote for Walker. Warnock is awful. Christian values far better align with the progressive left. Anyone claiming otherwise is selling you something. Walker is the epitome of everything bad in politics and what people claim to hate about politicians but hey he has a fancy R next to his name and we have to own the libs amirite? Also Whitmer bad? Ok bud.
Yea, there is *almost* no point in discussion at the issue level.
Two entirely different realities.
Almost across the board on every issue. You really cannot even have discussion at that point, both sides totally convinced their information and facts are correct.
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On November 09 2022 12:01 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 11:59 Slaughter wrote:On November 09 2022 11:55 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 11:51 Slaughter wrote:On November 09 2022 11:49 plasmidghost wrote:
Looks like Walker wins outright in Georgia So much for the "party of christian values" lmao they show their true colors more and more every day. consider Warnock's... personal issues and lefty voting record, it's totally understandable how people could still vote for Walker. Warnock is awful. Christian values far better align with the progressive left. Anyone claiming otherwise is selling you something. Walker is the epitome of everything bad in politics and what people claim to hate about politicians but hey he has a fancy R next to his name and we have to own the libs amirite? Also Whitmer bad? Ok bud. See, you shifted instantly to "progressive left" and scooted past Warnock's own issues. and most evangelicials don't view abortion till birth as a particularly moral position, so when compared to Walker who promises to vote against that.. yeah, not hard. as for Whitmer, I meant a shame she will prob survive. Dixon is the less than stellar candidate.
Abortion is the weirdest conservative issue. I know you've got the religion thing, but it really *IS* about control of women (and presumed degeneracy) for conservative leaders. I think some evangelicals it might be like legit a moral thing, but not overall.
But it's weird, and funny, because it's absolute self ownership.
It's voluntary eugenics that quite blatantly supports conservatives and yet they vote against it.
So abortion is one of those things that is probably acceptable morally, and just flat out good policy. It surprises me (okay, not really, more like amuses) anyone opposes it.
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On November 09 2022 12:01 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 11:59 Slaughter wrote:On November 09 2022 11:55 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 11:51 Slaughter wrote:On November 09 2022 11:49 plasmidghost wrote:
Looks like Walker wins outright in Georgia So much for the "party of christian values" lmao they show their true colors more and more every day. consider Warnock's... personal issues and lefty voting record, it's totally understandable how people could still vote for Walker. Warnock is awful. Christian values far better align with the progressive left. Anyone claiming otherwise is selling you something. Walker is the epitome of everything bad in politics and what people claim to hate about politicians but hey he has a fancy R next to his name and we have to own the libs amirite? Also Whitmer bad? Ok bud. See, you shifted instantly to "progressive left" and scooted past Warnock's own issues. and most evangelicials don't view abortion till birth as a particularly moral position, so when compared to Walker who promises to vote against that.. yeah, not hard. as for Whitmer, I meant a shame she will prob survive. Dixon is the less than stellar candidate.
Was being more specific because Jesus had to choose he would not only be a Dem but on the "radical" progressive wing.
Abortion is also a highly manufactured issue. Christians by and large didn't particularly care about it until the Republicans courted certain christian leaders who wanted to increase their own influence to create it. Remember when it was considered a "catholic issue?" Pepperidge farm remembers. Even Jews are sueing states over their abortion laws. Its absurd. The bible doesn't even support the pro life rhetoric.
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niether of you are correct, but as I love election day, i'm going to just keep talking about that.
suffice to say, it's easy, if you try for a half a second, to understand why a pro-lifer would support Walker over Warnock. It really isn't hard.
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I mean its pretty hard looking how supportive personally walker is for abortions. Not even then digging into how violent and abusive he was to the children he did have.
But the pastor yes he's the bad guy for Christians.
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On November 09 2022 12:07 Introvert wrote:
niether of you are correct, but as I love election day, i'm going to just keep talking about that.
suffice to say, it's easy, if you try for a half a second, to understand why a pro-lifer would support Walker over Warnock. It really isn't hard.
I am well aware as to the why. What I am saying is that their underlying ideas that supports those beliefs are garbage.
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On November 09 2022 12:07 Introvert wrote:
niether of you are correct, but as I love election day, i'm going to just keep talking about that.
suffice to say, it's easy, if you try for a half a second, to understand why a pro-lifer would support Walker over Warnock. It really isn't hard.
Yea, that's quite obvious.
Not what I was talking about though. My point was a broader, conceptual truth that abortion is net good for society (voluntary eugenics) and given who has abortions, net good for conservatives.
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VA-02 flips to the GOP. Widely seen as one of the most competitive House races this midterm and a real vulnerable spot for Democrats.
Voting looks better for Fetterman right now than Oz, based on margins. Fetterman is outpacing Biden's 2020 numbers currently. Already calls made for Shapiro becoming the next PA governor.
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On November 09 2022 12:16 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 12:07 Introvert wrote:
niether of you are correct, but as I love election day, i'm going to just keep talking about that.
suffice to say, it's easy, if you try for a half a second, to understand why a pro-lifer would support Walker over Warnock. It really isn't hard. I am well aware as to the why. What I am saying is that their underlying ideas that supports those beliefs are garbage.
I've already explained what two ideas those are (see reply to Kwark). You're still at least one to two levels too close. Closer to issue level than first principle driving reasons.
In fairness, they are not easy questions.
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On November 09 2022 12:19 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 12:16 Slaughter wrote:On November 09 2022 12:07 Introvert wrote:
niether of you are correct, but as I love election day, i'm going to just keep talking about that.
suffice to say, it's easy, if you try for a half a second, to understand why a pro-lifer would support Walker over Warnock. It really isn't hard. I am well aware as to the why. What I am saying is that their underlying ideas that supports those beliefs are garbage. I've already explained what two ideas those are (see reply to Kwark). You're still at least one to two levels too close. Closer to issue level than first principle driving reasons. In fairness, they are not easy questions.
I think a fair number of voters aren't engaging ideas at deeper levels. Propaganda and Rhetoric do their job to condense things into easy to digest ideas that also can obscure the true intent behind them. Its a form of mental out sourcing. So while you can make that argument for the movers and shakers who are constructing campaigns I don't believe the average voter really grapples as to the why behind most issues.
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On November 09 2022 12:19 PhoenixVoid wrote:
VA-02 flips to the GOP. Widely seen as one of the most competitive House races this midterm and a real vulnerable spot for Democrats.
Voting looks better for Fetterman right now than Oz, based on margins. Fetterman is outpacing Biden's 2020 numbers currently. Already calls made for Shapiro becoming the next PA governor.
Another thing to note about the Fetterman race: of the 50 or so counties with 50% or more reporting, only 6 of them have a Fetterman majority. Of the 18 that are under 50%, 8 of them are Democrat and include the likes of Philadelphia and Montgomery counties, both of which have a lot of votes to get through. It'll probably be close but I think it goes to Fetterman in the end.
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On November 09 2022 12:38 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 12:01 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 11:59 Slaughter wrote:On November 09 2022 11:55 Introvert wrote:On November 09 2022 11:51 Slaughter wrote:On November 09 2022 11:49 plasmidghost wrote:
Looks like Walker wins outright in Georgia So much for the "party of christian values" lmao they show their true colors more and more every day. consider Warnock's... personal issues and lefty voting record, it's totally understandable how people could still vote for Walker. Warnock is awful. Christian values far better align with the progressive left. Anyone claiming otherwise is selling you something. Walker is the epitome of everything bad in politics and what people claim to hate about politicians but hey he has a fancy R next to his name and we have to own the libs amirite? Also Whitmer bad? Ok bud. See, you shifted instantly to "progressive left" and scooted past Warnock's own issues. and most evangelicials don't view abortion till birth as a particularly moral position, so when compared to Walker who promises to vote against that.. yeah, not hard. as for Whitmer, I meant a shame she will prob survive. Dixon is the less than stellar candidate. Vote against it, but pay for women carrying his child to get it, the true republican way apparently out in the open now.
better than trying to force me to pay for it.
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On November 09 2022 12:19 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2022 12:16 Slaughter wrote:On November 09 2022 12:07 Introvert wrote:
niether of you are correct, but as I love election day, i'm going to just keep talking about that.
suffice to say, it's easy, if you try for a half a second, to understand why a pro-lifer would support Walker over Warnock. It really isn't hard. I am well aware as to the why. What I am saying is that their underlying ideas that supports those beliefs are garbage. I've already explained what two ideas those are (see reply to Kwark). You're still at least one to two levels too close. Closer to issue level than first principle driving reasons. In fairness, they are not easy questions.
They aren't wrong about their preferred society being threatened by both serious socialist theory/praxis and to a lesser degree the bastardized social democrat versions. The problem for me is the society they want.
The division between Democrats and Republicans as I see it is about how best to mitigate the threat to racial capitalism posed by those exploited by it. Democrats lean on bread and circus/inclusion while Republicans lean on fear and bigotry.
Depending on how you measure, either could be right about how to most effectively perpetuate a US dominated hegemonic racial capitalist society. Ultimately, I believe both are dead ends in all too literal terms though.
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