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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27352 Posts
If you need a generic gender neutral collective term, why is say the ‘Latin community’ not the choice? Are people getting confused with Roman legionnaires or something? I don’t really trust online polls on these things, attract too many already invested aggravated people will pop over to give their say. In my native/only tongue I’ve read enough people annoyed at those SJWs saying that the singular they isn’t grammatically correct for one, possibly two lifetimes. Perhaps a different issue as it’s one that brings out the trans/non-binary haters Where I think Mohdoo may be correct, albeit I genuinely don’t know is some of this smacks of non-Latins trying to crowbar something in, rather than it being an organic evolution of the language. Which when dovetailed with a political party being seen to push it just, honestly seems both patronising and lame simultaneously. Incidentally if you ever want a good drinking game folks, one I invented (although I imagine someone unknown to me has played the same) you have to guess the gender of nouns in French/Spanish. | ||
KwarK
United States44286 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 07 2021 01:29 WombaT wrote: Why is it unpronounceable? If you need a generic gender neutral collective term, why is say the ‘Latin community’ not the choice? Are people getting confused with Roman legionnaires or something? I don’t really trust online polls on these things, attract too many already invested aggravated people will pop over to give their say. In my native/only tongue I’ve read enough people annoyed at those SJWs saying that the singular they isn’t grammatically correct for one, possibly two lifetimes. Perhaps a different issue as it’s one that brings out the trans/non-binary haters Where I think Mohdoo may be correct, albeit I genuinely don’t know is some of this smacks of non-Latins trying to crowbar something in, rather than it being an organic evolution of the language. Which when dovetailed with a political party being seen to push it just, honestly seems both patronising and lame simultaneously. Incidentally if you ever want a good drinking game folks, one I invented (although I imagine someone unknown to me has played the same) you have to guess the gender of nouns in French/Spanish. https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/pxhaal/i_understand_discord_you_are_trying_to_be_hip_and/ Here's a good thread on it. As a Hispanic, I have never met someone who likes the term. It is linguistic imperialism. The very idea that there is something to fix is offensive. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27352 Posts
On December 07 2021 01:54 Mohdoo wrote: https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/pxhaal/i_understand_discord_you_are_trying_to_be_hip_and/ Here's a good thread on it. As a Hispanic, I have never met someone who likes the term. It is linguistic imperialism. The very idea that there is something to fix is offensive. Thread makes sense, cheers. Granted I was mostly looking to publicise my drinking game | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On December 07 2021 01:36 KwarK wrote: I don’t get the x part. The gendered part of the word is the o or a so just take that out to make Latins if you must make a new word. At least to me "Latins" kinda sounds like the term a racist grandpa would say/would have said in the 60s. Which obviously doesn't matter too much, but probably makes it none too tempting. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
Downsides: a lotta people will see it and think “wtf is Latinx.” In places like Tumblr (and a lot of the internet) that’s not necessarily a downside. People take a peculiar joy in using obscure language only those in their community will understand (think “milkshake duck,” or right here on TL, asking someone if they’re Romanian). But in the wider world having an inside joke word for a racial group is likely to make at least a few people say “what the fuck did you just call me?” Also, it’s not obvious how it’s pronounced. I’ve generally heard people say “latin-ex” (not unlike “CombatEx”), but I think a lot of people will be at least momentarily tempted by “la-tinks” and the uncertainty will make them a little uncomfortable. I had seen polling (a month or two ago maybe?) that seemed to indicate the vast majority of… shall I say Hispanics? thought the term was a little weird and would choose a different one if you asked them to self-identify, but very few were actually offended. It’s a bit like somebody going out of their way to say “happy holidays” or “merry Xmas” instead of “merry Christmas” because they don’t want to assume you celebrate Christmas: most people don’t think it’s necessary, but recognize it’s an attempt to be thoughtful. Very few (and those few are usually arch-conservative assholes) are offended. In national dialogue, though, the term has become symbolic of sanctimonious white liberals claiming to stand for the interests of minorities while being deeply out of touch with what members of those groups actually believe and want. And, well, lots of white liberals *are* out of touch with what the underprivileged believe and want, but it’s not like the conservatives lobbing the criticism have their finger on the pulse. Considering the conversation never seems to lead to a productive discussion of what any particular group actually *does* believe or want, I tend to think it’s a waste of time. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On December 07 2021 01:36 KwarK wrote: I don’t get the x part. The gendered part of the word is the o or a so just take that out to make Latins if you must make a new word. I always thought of it like a variable in algebra, x seems like a placeholder letter | ||
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KwarK
United States44286 Posts
Anybody that doesn’t think there wasn’t massive Election Fraud in the 2020 Presidential Election is either very stupid, or very corrupt! Note the “doesn’t wasn’t”. Yesterday in a Fox interview he said If I didn't fire Comey, they were looking to take down the president of the United States… I don't think I could've survived if I didn't fire him. That strikes me as odd because it openly says that he would have been taken down by the investigation if he hadn’t used his political power to intervene. Is that something that innocent people say? If a chief of police said that the investigation into the death of his wife would have left him in prison had he not fired the detectives working on it we would think that would be pretty shady. Are we entering a new era where Trump just tells us the truth and nothing matters? | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On December 07 2021 02:32 KwarK wrote: In other news, 2 days ago Trump tweeted Note the “doesn’t wasn’t”. Yesterday in a Fox interview he said That strikes me as odd because it openly says that he would have been taken down by the investigation if he hadn’t used his political power to intervene. Is that something that innocent people say? If a chief of police said that the investigation into the death of his wife would have left him in prison had he not fired the detectives working on it we would think that would be pretty shady. Are we entering a new era where Trump just tells us the truth and nothing matters? I think the short answer is “yes”? Not sure what else you’re looking for. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27352 Posts
On December 07 2021 02:32 KwarK wrote: In other news, 2 days ago Trump tweeted Note the “doesn’t wasn’t”. Yesterday in a Fox interview he said That strikes me as odd because it openly says that he would have been taken down by the investigation if he hadn’t used his political power to intervene. Is that something that innocent people say? If a chief of police said that the investigation into the death of his wife would have left him in prison had he not fired the detectives working on it we would think that would be pretty shady. Are we entering a new era where Trump just tells us the truth and nothing matters? ‘Entering’? Boris Johnson is frequently unbelievable in his behaviours over here and it’s still like 30% as brazen as Trump’s behaviour. To this day I cannot and will not comprehend acceptance of his behaviour that isn’t framed in a ‘yeah I know he’s a piece of shit but he’s out guy’ Not a position I morally share, but fully comprehensible. Beyond this you have to dabble in genuine insanity, spoken as someone who was (temporarily) diagnostically insane. | ||
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Falling
Canada11607 Posts
Language constantly evolves, if the reasoning is for gender equality or neutrality that is not the worst reason and I don't see a huge downside. If we are prescribing what language ought to be, I don't think that is language evolving. That is a concerted effort by a group of people to change the language. Whether it's a good or bad change is another thing. But it's not nearly so passive nor unguided as the word 'evolve' would suggest. My favourite for words we should no longer use is 'spooky' and 'brainstorm.' https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/words-and-phrases-commonly-used-offensive-english-language-1.6252274 And this is a money quote for why blindspot ought not to be used: "I can see that being offensive to people who can't see" (Emphasis mine) | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On December 07 2021 03:54 plasmidghost wrote: I'm currently really sick and can't continue much to the discussion on gendered terms, but as one of TL's resident non-binary trans women, I'd be more than willing to answer anything y'all have questions about regarding those terms, their origins, and their purpose Additionally, DoJ just sued Texas over our redistricting proposal. I'm praying to Almighty Waheguru ji that the DoJ successfully blocks the redistrictin snip tweet If North Carolina is any example they'll tell them to draw the districts which they'll do in exactly the same manner and nothing will change. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On December 07 2021 01:24 Silvanel wrote: Polish is also gendered language. If someone referred to me as Polax instead of Polak I would be first confused then mildly insulted. I mean, the letter "x" doesn't exist in Polish or Spanish, so this is linguistic colonialism at its finest. Kind of similar to what Prussians and Russians used to do when they tried to eradicate polish culture. Here in America, if I hear "Polak" instead of Polish I assume somebody is being racist because the only times I've heard Polak is somebody making a joke at the Polish people's expense. On December 07 2021 02:24 Zambrah wrote: I always thought of it like a variable in algebra, x seems like a placeholder letter Screw it, time to adapt pokemon terminology when talking about the Latis. Latin@. /s | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18438 Posts
On December 07 2021 07:24 Gahlo wrote: Here in America, if I hear "Polak" instead of Polish I assume somebody is being racist because the only times I've heard Polak is somebody making a joke at the Polish people's expense. Screw it, time to adapt pokemon terminology when talking about the Latis. Latin@. /s Using @ for o/a is fairly accepted over here. Nobody in their right mind would use an X for it. I've received plenty of mails addressed to "mis amig@s" or "hola a tod@s". The RAE doesn't approve tho. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On December 07 2021 07:50 Acrofales wrote: Using @ for o/a is fairly accepted over here. Nobody in their right mind would use an X for it. I've received plenty of mails addressed to "mis amig@s" or "hola a tod@s". The RAE doesn't approve tho. RAE? | ||
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On December 07 2021 02:32 KwarK wrote: In other news, 2 days ago Trump tweeted Note the “doesn’t wasn’t”. Yesterday in a Fox interview he said That strikes me as odd because it openly says that he would have been taken down by the investigation if he hadn’t used his political power to intervene. Is that something that innocent people say? If a chief of police said that the investigation into the death of his wife would have left him in prison had he not fired the detectives working on it we would think that would be pretty shady. Are we entering a new era where Trump just tells us the truth and nothing matters? It seems the claim is that Comey was trying to corruptly "take down" the president, and so if the firing didn't happen, the "take down" effort would have succeeded. Of course, the reality is that the firing spawned a special counsel investigation, therefore enlarging the investigation, exacerbating media hysteria, and making it all worse for trump. So trump has his logic backwards. | ||
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