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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
November 28 2020 03:34 GMT
#57241
In other 2020 news, the recount that Trump spent $3M on in Wisconsin has increased Biden's lead by 132 votes. It's almost like when he and his supporters constantly complain about massive voter fraud they're full of shit.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35144 Posts
November 28 2020 03:39 GMT
#57242
On November 28 2020 12:34 NewSunshine wrote:
In other 2020 news, the recount that Trump spent $3M on in Wisconsin has increased Biden's lead by 132 votes. It's almost like when he and his supporters constantly complain about massive voter fraud they're full of shit.

But think about all the money he was able to funnel out of his cult in doing so!
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
November 28 2020 03:46 GMT
#57243
Yes, the real insult is that the money was gathered entirely from supporters who just don't know better. People who would see more tangible improvement in their lives within 5 years by telling someone like Trump to go kick rocks than they would see in the rest of their lives by getting roped into bullshit like this.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
November 28 2020 04:44 GMT
#57244
Iran's top nuclear scientist assassinated, wtf? Israel suspected, surely the US was involved in this too?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15687 Posts
November 28 2020 04:48 GMT
#57245
On November 28 2020 13:44 Starlightsun wrote:
Iran's top nuclear scientist assassinated, wtf? Israel suspected, surely the US was involved in this too?

Seems weird. I doubt they really need him at this point to accomplish their goal.
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
November 28 2020 06:27 GMT
#57246
On November 28 2020 13:44 Starlightsun wrote:
Iran's top nuclear scientist assassinated, wtf? Israel suspected, surely the US was involved in this too?

I would not be surprised if the US was involved. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump ordered the hit in the first place. He was talking about launching a strike on Iran's main nuclear site not even two weeks ago.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15687 Posts
November 28 2020 06:47 GMT
#57247
On November 28 2020 15:27 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2020 13:44 Starlightsun wrote:
Iran's top nuclear scientist assassinated, wtf? Israel suspected, surely the US was involved in this too?

I would not be surprised if the US was involved. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump ordered the hit in the first place. He was talking about launching a strike on Iran's main nuclear site not even two weeks ago.


Yeah it feels like Trump demanded something huge and this was the most they'd let him do.
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
November 28 2020 06:52 GMT
#57248
It's completely outrageous that Israel and or the US can just assassinate officials of another country with impunity. I hope the international community will not simply tolerate this.
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
November 28 2020 07:57 GMT
#57249
On November 28 2020 15:52 Starlightsun wrote:
It's completely outrageous that Israel and or the US can just assassinate officials of another country with impunity. I hope the international community will not simply tolerate this.


Yeah, just like the international community didn't simply tolerate the numerous wars and coups the US had started over the last few decades, right.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4728 Posts
November 28 2020 09:13 GMT
#57250
Iran really does not have much options. They can retaliate directly which would probably lead to escaltion and war or they can retaliate by proxy which will be much less prestigous/harmful or not succesful at all.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28665 Posts
November 28 2020 10:27 GMT
#57251
I mean, they can get nukes. It seems inevitable that a country with Iran's resources will eventually get them, and knowing that, it seems like a bad idea to give them legitimate reasons to strike back. Almost hoping they have them before the next republican administration.

*I'm not sure whether I'm serious myself. But I think it would certainly be a good thing if Israel and the US had to leave them alone, and if there was a real regional check to American and Israeli power.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21670 Posts
November 28 2020 10:54 GMT
#57252
Its important to remember why Iran wants nukes. Because its the only real way to ensure the safety of their sovereignty when America is constantly threatening to attack them.

If Bush hadn't painted a giant bullseye on Iran after he was finished with Iraq the world likely wouldn't be in this position.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
November 28 2020 11:35 GMT
#57253
The Trump administration expanded the rules for capital punishment, a rule that will take effect in 30 days and will thus stand for about a month until Biden takes over.

As someone who is against the death penalty I personally find this disgusting, it's playing games with people's lives if it has any effect at all. Just to score brownie points.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/27/politics/federal-execution-new-rule-firing-squads/index.html
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21670 Posts
November 28 2020 11:41 GMT
#57254
On November 28 2020 20:35 schaf wrote:
The Trump administration expanded the rules for capital punishment, a rule that will take effect in 30 days and will thus stand for about a month until Biden takes over.

As someone who is against the death penalty I personally find this disgusting, it's playing games with people's lives if it has any effect at all. Just to score brownie points.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/27/politics/federal-execution-new-rule-firing-squads/index.html
Electrocution and firing squads...

I suspect this to be challenge in the courts immediately and help up until Trump is out of office.
I am not in favour of the death penalty but atleast the lethal injection, if done properly, is 'humane'.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11507 Posts
November 28 2020 11:45 GMT
#57255
Gotta build up that "tough on crime" reputation, no matter how pointless or counterproductive the action actually is.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11822 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-28 12:29:34
November 28 2020 12:28 GMT
#57256
On November 28 2020 20:41 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2020 20:35 schaf wrote:
The Trump administration expanded the rules for capital punishment, a rule that will take effect in 30 days and will thus stand for about a month until Biden takes over.

As someone who is against the death penalty I personally find this disgusting, it's playing games with people's lives if it has any effect at all. Just to score brownie points.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/27/politics/federal-execution-new-rule-firing-squads/index.html
Electrocution and firing squads...

I suspect this to be challenge in the courts immediately and help up until Trump is out of office.
I am not in favour of the death penalty but atleast the lethal injection, if done properly, is 'humane'.



Method of killing is the least controversial part of death penalty. Any method is more or less the same, thinking otherwise is focusing on the wrong part. The killing part takes a few minutes in all of them, some hurt but it is short regardless.

It is the things prior and after an execution that are the arguments for or against it. Not how the act is performed, though an argument could be made that making money from executions (gladiators) would push for more inherently.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-28 14:31:27
November 28 2020 14:31 GMT
#57257
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9195 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-28 15:36:57
November 28 2020 15:35 GMT
#57258
Do you not find it self-contradictory to consider the death penalty amoral and simultaneously consider life imprisonment worse than the death penalty?
You're now breathing manually
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
November 28 2020 15:37 GMT
#57259
It doesn't have to be self-contradictory because the death penalty is irreversible, whereas life imprisonment, though arguably the more punitive measure, can be lifted if/when exculpatory evidence is found.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 28 2020 16:08 GMT
#57260
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