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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9064 Posts
June 20 2020 21:42 GMT
#48741
With all that is happening, is a perfect storm of R's growing a pair/spine and recognizing trump is the worst for their party come election night, and that they need to start storing some political capital happening? Along with D's finally (somewhat reluctantly) understanding their base and how to get the centrists/undecideds/new voters over to their side and not just pay lip service?

Something in the back of my mind is telling me the turnout of this election will be higher than 2008 by a mile.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22575 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-20 21:45:41
June 20 2020 21:43 GMT
#48742
On June 21 2020 06:03 micronesia wrote:
The latest development regarding Barr vs Southern District of NY, Barr's letter says Berman is officially fired by the president, and yet Trump was quoted as saying he was not involved. Let's see what happens next. Maybe he can just deny the president fired him and keep working.
I believe his position is that he cannot be legally fired by Trump because he is appointed by the judiciary district as an acting replacement until the Senate confirms an official replacement.

If Barr (or Trump) wants to get ahead they will likely need to take it to court. And even then it might run into trouble that the district can simply immediately reappoint him unless Trump can get someone through the Senate as a permanent replacement.

All in all it is yet another clusterfuck where Barr appears to be attacking the judiciary in trying to shut down investigations.
A thing that would 'normally' be massive news and is now just another friday.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
June 20 2020 21:44 GMT
#48743
I agree with you both, Jimmi and ZerO, things are heading in a direction quite unlike 2016
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
June 20 2020 21:44 GMT
#48744
Trump slipping when talking about Bolton's book and the judge's decision :

Trump said the judge was “very powerful in his statements on classified information and very powerful also on the fact that the country will get the money – any money he makes. So I hope a lot of books – uh, well, I probably shouldn’t hope that but whatever he makes, he’s going to be giving back.


I had a good chuckle at that part :-)
NoiR
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-20 22:15:31
June 20 2020 21:59 GMT
#48745
If Graham is genuinely willing to give this much leeway to the New York senators and refusing to touch this matter until then, I wonder if the recent polling and general political winds placing both the presidency and some key Senate seats (including Graham's) at risk is terrifying them to not provoke anymore actions that sink them even further. It could just be adhering to the blue slip tradition rather than political calculus though.

If we are on the recent few weeks being awful for Trump, imagine how much worse it could get if the Supreme Court rules against him on the tax filings cases soon.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-20 22:06:12
June 20 2020 22:05 GMT
#48746
Basically, the guy can fight it in court , and unless Trump directly says he is doing it he will almost certainly win (currently it is Barr saying Trump td him to do it).

If Trump says he is directly doing it, then it becomes a tossup - the logical reading of the situation is that Trump can fire him, but he can't replace him without a Senate confirmed replacement already lined up. As he was court appointed, rather than by president or Senate. That makes no goddamn sense - there has to be someone in charge. But some courts are fine with situations that are incoherent as long as they meet the legal wording.
StalkerTL
Profile Joined May 2020
212 Posts
June 20 2020 23:14 GMT
#48747
On June 21 2020 06:37 JimmiC wrote:
This is interesting because I also read Graham, who is almost always a staunch Trump ally has said he will up hold the tradition of letting that states senate pick their AG and will Dems in control they likely will not approve anyone before the election allow Berman to continue.

There is so much going on right now and none of it seems good for trump.


Someone wrote an article somewhere that Graham operates like a parasite where he takes the form of whatever is in popular power.

It does make sense, in my recent memory he went from compassionate conservative to maverick to one of the biggest Trump supporters in the senate. In all of his transitions, he has basically thrown the previous form and everyone associated with it in the bin.

Perhaps he’s seeing the winds change in 2020? Biden is not the best candidate but he’s also not HRC nor is Trump able to get away with convincing liberals or those further left that he has a progressive streak.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 21 2020 00:13 GMT
#48748
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
June 21 2020 00:34 GMT
#48749
They’re saying Tulsa rally has been cancelled.
Life?
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 21 2020 00:37 GMT
#48750
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 21 2020 00:38 GMT
#48751
Not surprised. Several staffers tested positive.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24351 Posts
June 21 2020 00:39 GMT
#48752
On June 21 2020 09:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:
They’re saying Tulsa rally has been cancelled.


The outdoor 'overflow' rally was cancelled because attendance is under capacity for the building.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24799 Posts
June 21 2020 00:40 GMT
#48753
On June 21 2020 09:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2020 09:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:
They’re saying Tulsa rally has been cancelled.


The outdoor 'overflow' rally was cancelled because attendance is under capacity for the building.

I'm waiting for the press security to demand all journalists report that this was the most heavily attended rally ever.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 21 2020 00:40 GMT
#48754
Berman has agreed to leave office immediately. Strange turn of events. I'm wondering if he is going to testify this week.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24351 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-21 00:47:50
June 21 2020 00:44 GMT
#48755
On June 21 2020 09:40 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2020 09:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 21 2020 09:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:
They’re saying Tulsa rally has been cancelled.


The outdoor 'overflow' rally was cancelled because attendance is under capacity for the building.

I'm waiting for the press security to demand all journalists report that this was the most heavily attended rally ever.


I guess Trump's more sensitive about rally size but even this weak turnout is bigger than anything Biden's drawn (without a pandemic) so I don't think it's really going to hit his ego in the long run.

He's pretty bent up about the ramp thing and drinking like a toddler without fine motor control though
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 21 2020 00:49 GMT
#48756
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
June 21 2020 00:52 GMT
#48757
Trump just spent like 20 mins defending the 'ramp' walk (where he looked very shaky) and telling a story of how hugely steep it was, and saying he had to drink water with two hands because he didn't want to get his tie wet. Huge cheers from the croud. Fucking looney tunes world we live in.
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StalkerTL
Profile Joined May 2020
212 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-21 01:00:59
June 21 2020 00:57 GMT
#48758
Peak of manliness right there, being able to drink a glass of water with one hand.

It is so incredibly odd that Trump’s machismo appeals to people but that’s pretty standard fair when it comes to his type of leader.

Also nice of him to admit that he’s purposely suppressing coronavirus testing. We already knew that but it’s good to get confirmation.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24351 Posts
June 21 2020 01:46 GMT
#48759
Getting dark in Tulsa and I'm concerned it's going to pop off when the rally lets out
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
June 21 2020 02:37 GMT
#48760
On June 21 2020 10:46 GreenHorizons wrote:
Getting dark in Tulsa and I'm concerned it's going to pop off when the rally lets out

Yeah bunch of bloodlusted rally-goers mixing with a bunch of bloodlusted protesters might be bad
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