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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12450 Posts
January 08 2020 00:29 GMT
#39961
I just hope that Trump is wrong that this will help him electorally, but unfortunately I don't really think he is.
No will to live, no wish to die
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23929 Posts
January 08 2020 00:32 GMT
#39962
On January 08 2020 09:29 Nebuchad wrote:
I just hope that Trump is wrong that this will help him electorally, but unfortunately I don't really think he is.


Probably about to get a bipartisan war authorization and a "axis of evil" SOTU. Fuckin a.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
January 08 2020 00:32 GMT
#39963
On January 08 2020 07:45 farvacola wrote:
CNN settling doesn’t actually mean any of that, but it’s nice that you feel vindicated.

The kid surely does.

“In short, the false and defamatory gist of CNN’s collective reporting conveyed to its viewers and readers that Nicholas was the face of an unruly hate mob of hundreds of white racist high school students who physically assaulted, harassed, and taunted two different minority groups engaged in peaceful demonstrations, preaching, song, and prayer,” according to the suit, filed in U.S. District Court in Kentucky.
KTY
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14110 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-08 00:40:37
January 08 2020 00:38 GMT
#39964
Iranian media reported a second wave of rockets have been launched. Reports of US fighters being launched from the UAE in response.

Revolutionary guard declaring that salims killing has been avenged and they are seeking no further escalation.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
January 08 2020 00:42 GMT
#39965
The US is going at it alone in this one. I don't see any NATO countries tossing their hats in the ring. Tossing resources into hitting Trump's properties would have a disproportionately large impact versus hitting US bases, but at the risk of incurring NATO retaliation by starting a war with a 3rd previously uninvolved country.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
January 08 2020 00:44 GMT
#39966
On January 08 2020 09:22 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2020 09:17 Wombat_NI wrote:
Really not terribly smart from the Iranians if they have indeed done this. Cannot see this ending at all well...


Iran military confirmed they shot 10s of missiles based on what I am reading. Multiple US bases hit and deaths already confirmed.

And now 6 F35s have left Al-Dhafra Air Base to strike Iran. And Iran already said if we retaliate, they will go even harder. So this is just straight up happening, isn't it? We are going to fucking war. fuck I hate this so much


Got additional sources for the second statements? I can only find a lot of vague news reports.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
January 08 2020 00:45 GMT
#39967
On January 08 2020 09:42 Lmui wrote:
The US is going at it alone in this one. I don't see any NATO countries tossing their hats in the ring. Tossing resources into hitting Trump's properties would have a disproportionately large impact versus hitting US bases, but at the risk of incurring NATO retaliation by starting a war with a 3rd previously uninvolved country.



I think the British are going in as well.. with some strikes if needed.
Yes im
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-08 00:47:51
January 08 2020 00:45 GMT
#39968
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14110 Posts
January 08 2020 01:00 GMT
#39969
Iranian air force has taken off from their airbases and CNN is reporting that trump may make an oval office adress tonight.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 08 2020 01:00 GMT
#39970
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Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
January 08 2020 01:02 GMT
#39971
On January 08 2020 09:45 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2020 09:32 Xxio wrote:
On January 08 2020 07:45 farvacola wrote:
CNN settling doesn’t actually mean any of that, but it’s nice that you feel vindicated.

The kid surely does.

“In short, the false and defamatory gist of CNN’s collective reporting conveyed to its viewers and readers that Nicholas was the face of an unruly hate mob of hundreds of white racist high school students who physically assaulted, harassed, and taunted two different minority groups engaged in peaceful demonstrations, preaching, song, and prayer,” according to the suit, filed in U.S. District Court in Kentucky.

Settling does not mean agreeing it means you are agreeing to pay some price to not go to court and possibly lose. It is both sides mitigating their risk. Quoting the suit does not matter, of course they are going to say something like that.

How high the settlement is compared to the what the suit was filed for would tell you how confident both sides were at winning.

Yeah, and it's true that easily accessible video footage completely exonerates the students and shows CNN's narrative to be false. CNN eating their own words to some degree (quoting the suit matters) by settling and paying an undisclosed amount -- as I said, I'm sure the kid feels vindicated. At least regarding CNN. Washington Post, NBC, and others still ongoing.
KTY
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23929 Posts
January 08 2020 01:03 GMT
#39972
A Democrat Senator is already indicating they're likely to support war

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
January 08 2020 01:03 GMT
#39973
On January 08 2020 09:32 Xxio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2020 07:45 farvacola wrote:
CNN settling doesn’t actually mean any of that, but it’s nice that you feel vindicated.

The kid surely does.

“In short, the false and defamatory gist of CNN’s collective reporting conveyed to its viewers and readers that Nicholas was the face of an unruly hate mob of hundreds of white racist high school students who physically assaulted, harassed, and taunted two different minority groups engaged in peaceful demonstrations, preaching, song, and prayer,” according to the suit, filed in U.S. District Court in Kentucky.

Yes, that’s how you write a brief when you’re a dimeseeking First Amendment plaintiffs attorney, it’s zealous advocacy 101. One could look up the briefs in a hundred similar cases, 50 losers and 50 winner brought from both sides of the aisle, and find practically the same language dozens of times. Besides, if you really think you got a deep pocket like CNN against the ropes, you take that shit to trial and win on public terms. Confidential settlements lack a definite public character by design, which is why they are the bread and butter of plaintiffs attorneys who make a high-earning living on bringing marginally meritorious, yet zealously argued claims against risk averse deep pockets that are aimed directly at settlement rather than trial. The deep pocket swats the suit away because the exposure isn’t worth it, the plaintiff walks away feeling vindicated, and the lawyers end up with a nice chunk of change or political capital to spend elsewhere
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-08 01:06:06
January 08 2020 01:04 GMT
#39974
So this assassination was done to delay/disrupt a possible attack, but actually provoked a ballistic missile barrage. Wouldn't want to be the guy that signed off on the Soleimani strike, cause that was one hell of a blunder.

This is not going to end well. It's is kind of poetic for the US to end up in a new war when we hit page 2000 in here.

Hope the soldiers were deep in their bunkers. But not sure how strong of a defense these bases have against actual ballistic missiles.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9842 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-08 01:04:41
January 08 2020 01:04 GMT
#39975
Is it me or was Iran's response proportional and that should be the end of the matter?
RIP Meatloaf <3
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
January 08 2020 01:06 GMT
#39976
UPDATED: U.S. retaliation reportedly underway


Yes im
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14110 Posts
January 08 2020 01:07 GMT
#39977
On January 08 2020 10:04 Jockmcplop wrote:
Is it me or was Iran's response proportional and that should be the end of the matter?

Yes. Rational world leaders would be happy with chopping the head off of Irans force projection and taking a couple dozen rockets in response.

Unfortunately, this is trump and he's going to go full war crimes in response.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
January 08 2020 01:08 GMT
#39978
On January 08 2020 10:04 Jockmcplop wrote:
Is it me or was Iran's response proportional and that should be the end of the matter?


Irans response was proportional and the US will never let any anything be the end of any matter. The US could kick the heads off half a population and then shed a tear for the toenail that broke off in their spine.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22308 Posts
January 08 2020 01:08 GMT
#39979
On January 08 2020 10:04 Jockmcplop wrote:
Is it me or was Iran's response proportional and that should be the end of the matter?
Regardless of whether it was or not Trump's ego will not allow the US to back off.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
January 08 2020 01:08 GMT
#39980
God I hate that we have started another senseless war so much. And the people responsible are never the ones who have to answer for it.
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