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On June 27 2019 05:33 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 05:29 Sermokala wrote:
A rather important event I think is Reddit beginning the process on banning and purging r/thedonald. I belive at least that it had a significant effect on the larger internet contribution to the election and it might as well as anything tilted the election to Trump especially after the burnout that was the sanders campaign on reddit and social media as a whole Yeah, this is a really big deal. Throw in Twitter's shenanigans over the past few years and the recent Project Veritas expose on Google, and it's pretty obvious that big tech has it in for conservatives. As a general rule, I'm not in favor of government regulation of private affairs, but the power that big tech wields is too much to ignore. Plus, what they're doing is morally offensive if not un-American. I don't know what the solution is (minimally Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act needs to be amended), but something needs to be done. I love it, when big companies hurt Conservatives the government needs to step in.
When anyone else suffers then your a communist for even daring to suggest it.
Republican hypocrisy proudly on display.
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On June 27 2019 05:33 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 05:29 Sermokala wrote:
A rather important event I think is Reddit beginning the process on banning and purging r/thedonald. I belive at least that it had a significant effect on the larger internet contribution to the election and it might as well as anything tilted the election to Trump especially after the burnout that was the sanders campaign on reddit and social media as a whole Yeah, this is a really big deal. Throw in Twitter's shenanigans over the past few years and the recent Project Veritas expose on Google, and it's pretty obvious that big tech has it in for conservatives. As a general rule, I'm not in favor of government regulation of private affairs, but the power that big tech wields is too much to ignore. Plus, what they're doing is morally offensive if not un-American. I don't know what the solution is (minimally Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act needs to be amended), but something needs to be done.
Can I link back to this when they eventually find out how Project Vertias was bullshitting the whole thing and selective edited the fuck out of everything?
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On June 27 2019 05:33 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 05:29 Sermokala wrote:
Yeah, this is a really big deal. Throw in Twitter's shenanigans over the past few years and the recent Project Veritas expose on Google
Wait, you still trust James O'Keefe with anything at all? Also, still that feeling that the poor conservatives are so horribly oppressed.
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On June 27 2019 05:29 Sermokala wrote:
A rather important event I think is Reddit beginning the process on banning and purging r/thedonald. I belive at least that it had a significant effect on the larger internet contribution to the election and it might as well as anything tilted the election to Trump especially after the burnout that was the sanders campaign on reddit and social media as a whole Americans (i wouldn't be surprised if they were actually a minority) on thedonald were going to go out and vote for him anyway, the rest probably doesn't care because they don't even know it exists.
2020 is won or lost on Democratic and independent turnout, not Republican.
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On June 27 2019 05:41 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 05:33 xDaunt wrote:On June 27 2019 05:29 Sermokala wrote:
A rather important event I think is Reddit beginning the process on banning and purging r/thedonald. I belive at least that it had a significant effect on the larger internet contribution to the election and it might as well as anything tilted the election to Trump especially after the burnout that was the sanders campaign on reddit and social media as a whole Yeah, this is a really big deal. Throw in Twitter's shenanigans over the past few years and the recent Project Veritas expose on Google, and it's pretty obvious that big tech has it in for conservatives. As a general rule, I'm not in favor of government regulation of private affairs, but the power that big tech wields is too much to ignore. Plus, what they're doing is morally offensive if not un-American. I don't know what the solution is (minimally Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act needs to be amended), but something needs to be done. Can I link back to this when they eventually find out how Project Vertias was bullshitting the whole thing and selective edited the fuck out of everything?
Remember when uranium was just about to blow up? Big news about to drop? People going to jail? It doesn't matter, it's on to the next bullshit every time. No matter how many things fall flat.
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On June 27 2019 05:29 Sermokala wrote:
A rather important event I think is Reddit beginning the process on banning and purging r/thedonald. I belive at least that it had a significant effect on the larger internet contribution to the election and it might as well as anything tilted the election to Trump especially after the burnout that was the sanders campaign on reddit and social media as a whole
Quarantined, removed from current joined members list, and not searchable. It is kinda hard to even find out if this had a precipitating event. The post the broke the camels back or whatever.
I’m not sure about their broader impact, other than a never ending rally helping to keep big supporters energized. And the right-wing meme creation and distribution, whatever that impact is.
This is an interesting development in the tech censorship/content policing debate.
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The Google guy was not persecuted for being a conservative.
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On June 27 2019 05:56 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 05:29 Sermokala wrote:
A rather important event I think is Reddit beginning the process on banning and purging r/thedonald. I belive at least that it had a significant effect on the larger internet contribution to the election and it might as well as anything tilted the election to Trump especially after the burnout that was the sanders campaign on reddit and social media as a whole Quarantined, removed from current joined members list, and not searchable. It is kinda hard to even find out if this had a precipitating event. The post the broke the camels back or whatever. I’m not sure about their broader impact, other than a never ending rally helping to keep big supporters energized. And the right-wing meme creation and distribution, whatever that impact is. This is an interesting development in the tech censorship/content policing debate.
Luckily the admins sent them a message that is pretty easy to find.
The reason for the quarantine is that over the last few months we have observed repeated rule-breaking behavior in your community and an over-reliance on Reddit admins to manage users and remove posts that violate our content policy, including content that encourages or incites violence. Most recently, we have observed this behavior in the form of encouragement of violence towards police officers and public officials in Oregon. This is not only in violation of our site-wide policies, but also your own community rules (rule #9). You can find violating content that we removed in your mod logs.
However, that's been going on since the subreddit existed and they've never been banned. It's more likely the result of a recent news article and the backlash to reddit's bottom line from advertisers. You can look at past incidents like jailbait only being banned after Anderson Cooper talked about it in the media.
Conservatives would like you to believe that they're persecuted and big tech out to get them, but the reality is far more sinister. Reddit is completely profit driven and cares about this because it's finally hurting their bottom line. There's no grand conspiracy with the deep state, just dollars to be made.
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On June 27 2019 06:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 05:56 Danglars wrote:On June 27 2019 05:29 Sermokala wrote:
A rather important event I think is Reddit beginning the process on banning and purging r/thedonald. I belive at least that it had a significant effect on the larger internet contribution to the election and it might as well as anything tilted the election to Trump especially after the burnout that was the sanders campaign on reddit and social media as a whole Quarantined, removed from current joined members list, and not searchable. It is kinda hard to even find out if this had a precipitating event. The post the broke the camels back or whatever. I’m not sure about their broader impact, other than a never ending rally helping to keep big supporters energized. And the right-wing meme creation and distribution, whatever that impact is. This is an interesting development in the tech censorship/content policing debate. Luckily the admins sent them a message that is pretty easy to find. Show nested quote +The reason for the quarantine is that over the last few months we have observed repeated rule-breaking behavior in your community and an over-reliance on Reddit admins to manage users and remove posts that violate our content policy, including content that encourages or incites violence. Most recently, we have observed this behavior in the form of encouragement of violence towards police officers and public officials in Oregon. This is not only in violation of our site-wide policies, but also your own community rules (rule #9). You can find violating content that we removed in your mod logs. However, that's been going on since the subreddit existed and they've never been banned. It's more likely the result of a recent news article and the backlash to reddit's bottom line from advertisers. You can look at past incidents like jailbait only being banned after Anderson Cooper talked about it in the media. Conservatives would like you to believe that they're persecuted and big tech out to get them, but the reality is far more sinister. Reddit is completely profit driven and cares about this because it's finally hurting their bottom line. There's no grand conspiracy with the deep state, just dollars to be made.
Yeah, that’s a tough one, assuming for the moment that repeated threats of violence were not being actively moderated by the subreddit mod team. One elected state representative in Oregon threatened violence against any LEO coming to force him back to the capital’s legislature. You can imagine he wasn’t alone in think the use of arms to defend himself from (in his POV) unlawful orders was justified, but in what forum can people vocally support his decision?
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On June 27 2019 06:13 JimmiC wrote:
Considering the people who own Reddit are likely super rich I would even suggest it is likely that they vote Republican. Or at least that it is no slam dunk that they are Dems.
This is so wrong that I don't even know where to begin. Do you know nothing of Silicon Valley culture?
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On June 27 2019 04:11 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 04:04 ShambhalaWar wrote:On June 26 2019 12:04 Danglars wrote:On June 26 2019 10:23 Doodsmack wrote:On June 26 2019 10:17 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
from CNN (i dont know how to post twitter screenshots lol)
"Special counsel Robert Mueller agrees to testify publicly before two House committees on July 17"
Anybody want to take any guesses as what Trump will do from now until then? Kind of surprising tbh. I'll bet he was threatened with a subpoena. Oh he was actually subpoena’d all right. That’s the news. He’s complying with the subpoena to appear before the House. So much for the warnings he gave in the press conference. Unlike the majority of people subpoenaed from the trump administration, Mueller will actually show up because he doesn't have anything to hide. Unlike trump officials, appearing in front of a committee for investigation won't require Mueller to commit perjury in order to testify without incriminating himself. Mueller has said that his testimony would be what the report said, implying he won't say anything other that what the report says, but I welcome the testimony, if that's the case so let it be, and let it be in front of the world. I welcome the ability of both sides to ask questions to gain clarity here. The report brought up more questions due to lack of clarity, that is Mueller's fault, lack of clarity in the report demanded he be subpoenaed. Unlike the other subpoenas, Mueller is not a senior presidential advisor. Executive branch lawyers have argued that those advisors are immune from congressional subpoenas for over 50 years. It’s a very silly thing to argue to overturn 5 decades of legal analysis, or else you’re hiding something. The problem is that, at least the case of Kellyanne Conway, White House counsel said she could ignore her recent subpoena. This seems incorrect though because the subpoena has nothing to do with her role as an advisor to Trump. Her subpoena was related to her violation of the Hatch Act as a federal employee.
I can understand the argument of not allowing advisors to be subpoenaed with regards to their role so they can work in their role without worrying about repercussion for advice they give, as was the case with McGahn. However, just because someone is an advisor does not mean they should be immune from following laws not directly related to their role that other government employees are required to follow. To do so would put presidential advisors essentially above the law, which is unconstitutional.
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On June 27 2019 06:14 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 06:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On June 27 2019 05:56 Danglars wrote:On June 27 2019 05:29 Sermokala wrote:
A rather important event I think is Reddit beginning the process on banning and purging r/thedonald. I belive at least that it had a significant effect on the larger internet contribution to the election and it might as well as anything tilted the election to Trump especially after the burnout that was the sanders campaign on reddit and social media as a whole Quarantined, removed from current joined members list, and not searchable. It is kinda hard to even find out if this had a precipitating event. The post the broke the camels back or whatever. I’m not sure about their broader impact, other than a never ending rally helping to keep big supporters energized. And the right-wing meme creation and distribution, whatever that impact is. This is an interesting development in the tech censorship/content policing debate. Luckily the admins sent them a message that is pretty easy to find. The reason for the quarantine is that over the last few months we have observed repeated rule-breaking behavior in your community and an over-reliance on Reddit admins to manage users and remove posts that violate our content policy, including content that encourages or incites violence. Most recently, we have observed this behavior in the form of encouragement of violence towards police officers and public officials in Oregon. This is not only in violation of our site-wide policies, but also your own community rules (rule #9). You can find violating content that we removed in your mod logs. However, that's been going on since the subreddit existed and they've never been banned. It's more likely the result of a recent news article and the backlash to reddit's bottom line from advertisers. You can look at past incidents like jailbait only being banned after Anderson Cooper talked about it in the media. Conservatives would like you to believe that they're persecuted and big tech out to get them, but the reality is far more sinister. Reddit is completely profit driven and cares about this because it's finally hurting their bottom line. There's no grand conspiracy with the deep state, just dollars to be made. Yeah, that’s a tough one, assuming for the moment that repeated threats of violence were not being actively moderated by the subreddit mod team. One elected state representative in Oregon threatened violence against any LEO coming to force him back to the capital’s legislature. You can imagine he wasn’t alone in think the use of arms to defend himself from (in his POV) unlawful orders was justified, but in what forum can people vocally support his decision?
In principal I'd agree with you, but that isn't what happened here. Repeated calls for democrats and police officers to be executed is not "supporting a state representative." The reddit admins called it "inciting violence" and quarantine the subreddit.
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On June 27 2019 05:33 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 05:29 Sermokala wrote:
A rather important event I think is Reddit beginning the process on banning and purging r/thedonald. I belive at least that it had a significant effect on the larger internet contribution to the election and it might as well as anything tilted the election to Trump especially after the burnout that was the sanders campaign on reddit and social media as a whole Yeah, this is a really big deal. Throw in Twitter's shenanigans over the past few years and the recent Project Veritas expose on Google, and it's pretty obvious that big tech has it in for conservatives. As a general rule, I'm not in favor of government regulation of private affairs, but the power that big tech wields is too much to ignore. Plus, what they're doing is morally offensive if not un-American. I don't know what the solution is (minimally Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act needs to be amended), but something needs to be done.
Big tech are conservatives though? Maybe libertarian (with some liberal identity politics mixed in). Somehow you're arguing for government regulation and them for self-regulation and accusing them of being anti-conservative?
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On June 27 2019 06:21 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 06:13 JimmiC wrote:
Considering the people who own Reddit are likely super rich I would even suggest it is likely that they vote Republican. Or at least that it is no slam dunk that they are Dems. This is so wrong that I don't even know where to begin. Do you know nothing of Silicon Valley culture?
Peter Thiel is a Nazi. I know that much.
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To answer the question of why reddit would quarantine that subreddit you literally only have to look at it. It is evident. They also have a long history of brigading smaller subs which is generally frowned upon by the staff.
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Obvious right-wingers like Peter Thiel aside, the politically active components of Silicon Valley that support Democrats are the party supporters that progressives are fighting against this primary season. Many of them would vote Republican in the face of folks like Sanders had the GOP not turned into a uniform chant of "Praise Trump, Forget Iraq, Keep America White and Christian Again."
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On June 27 2019 04:02 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 03:57 Danglars wrote:On June 27 2019 03:49 Dan HH wrote:On June 27 2019 03:18 Danglars wrote:On June 27 2019 01:41 IgnE wrote:On June 27 2019 01:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Well, if 2018 showed anything is that the blue wave is a coming... I think by 2020, we're going to have way more voters registered. Especially with how much school shootings are going on... I think it’s more likely than not at this point that we end up with an 8 year Trump presidency. This also might be unpopular to say, but I think Trump is actually only getting “better” at his job, which is something you’d expect from most people in most jobs as they get experience. Where are you getting >50% odds? Trump has some serious weaknesses going into 2020. Are you real pessimistic on Democratic field? Are you fairly sure Trump keeps his 2016 EC states intact? It's option C, contrarianism for the sake of it IgnE isn’t a contrarian for the sake of it. He has some reason to put Trump above an even 50-50. It might be not among my mentioned reasons. This is despite IgnE frequently examining arguments he does not personally hold. He never says “I think blah blah” in the first person singular in those cases. mostly incumbency advantage (incumbent wins 2/3 of the time historically, even if this is diminished in trump’s case it would still be significant) paired with the fact that the most exciting Democrats that would bring D voters out also seem to be ones that are divisive in Trump states (socialists, warren) and would likely energize the opposition. i think biden is bound to lose.
Nvm my reaction,i did misunderstoud the word incumbent. I thought it was the challenger.
The advantage for the incumbent has been even bigger if we look at the last 5 presidents,4 out of 5 got a 2nd term.
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