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On April 19 2019 05:22 farvacola wrote:
Time to impeach at the polls.
If only the country wasn’t dragged through this divisive debacle before you decided on the democratic response. I really hope the people currently attacking Barr and denying FBI/intel community abuse of power are made to pay in the election.
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On April 19 2019 05:42 GreenHorizons wrote:I know it's an unpopular position but I support NK maintaining nuclear weapons development so long as any other country, namely the US, has it. It's an important part of why they are able to maintain what autonomy they have regardless of how people feel about what they do with it. I don't know if anyone has seen Seoul lately but it's probably not what many people have in their minds. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/pqS4MuX.jpg) That tall one in the back is taller than the new WTC btw Western media about NK reminds me of what I've read about how the US portrayed communism lifting Russia out of the "third world" momentarily.
that’s exactly what i thought Seoul looked like. Seoul’s in South Korea. if that’s Pyongyang then i’d be only mildly surprised that they have such a tall building idk. cities are cities.
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On April 19 2019 05:45 Danglars wrote:If only the country wasn’t dragged through this highly divisive debacle before you decided on the democratic response. I really hope the people currently attacking and denying FBI/intel community findings are made to pay in the coming election.
fixed that for you.
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On April 19 2019 05:45 Danglars wrote:If only the country wasn’t dragged through this divisive debacle before you decided on the democratic response. I really hope the people currently attacking Barr and denying FBI/intel community abuse of power are made to pay in the election.
I honestly don't think anyone will be voting on this. It probably won't even come up at the heads up debates other than maybe a throw-away jab and in media (they seem to be wanting to follow a congressional investigation now instead). Basically do their best impression of Fox and Benghazi.
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On April 19 2019 05:47 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2019 05:42 GreenHorizons wrote:I know it's an unpopular position but I support NK maintaining nuclear weapons development so long as any other country, namely the US, has it. It's an important part of why they are able to maintain what autonomy they have regardless of how people feel about what they do with it. I don't know if anyone has seen Seoul lately but it's probably not what many people have in their minds. + Show Spoiler + That tall one in the back is taller than the new WTC btw Western media about NK reminds me of what I've read about how the US portrayed communism lifting Russia out of the "third world" momentarily. that’s exactly what i thought Seoul looked like. Seoul’s in South Korea. if that’s Pyongyang then i’d be only mildly surprised that they have such a tall building idk. cities are cities.
lol you're right. I was thinking of the giant pyramid thing I was watching.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On April 19 2019 05:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2019 05:47 brian wrote:On April 19 2019 05:42 GreenHorizons wrote:I know it's an unpopular position but I support NK maintaining nuclear weapons development so long as any other country, namely the US, has it. It's an important part of why they are able to maintain what autonomy they have regardless of how people feel about what they do with it. I don't know if anyone has seen Seoul lately but it's probably not what many people have in their minds. + Show Spoiler + That tall one in the back is taller than the new WTC btw Western media about NK reminds me of what I've read about how the US portrayed communism lifting Russia out of the "third world" momentarily. that’s exactly what i thought Seoul looked like. Seoul’s in South Korea. if that’s Pyongyang then i’d be only mildly surprised that they have such a tall building idk. cities are cities. lol you're right. I was thinking of the giant pyramid thing I was watching. + Show Spoiler +
i have to come clean and say i only edited in the pyongyang bit because i thought you were 4D chess’ing me and were going to tell me it was Pyongyang all along... is it?
having googled a few pyongyang skylines i honestly can’t even tell. so unless all these cool photos are some disinformation campaign i think your point stands all the same, though i don’t know if it’s a convincing one. i think people judge NK based on how they treat their poor/lower class, which isn’t really shown in a skyline.
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On April 19 2019 05:42 GreenHorizons wrote:I know it's an unpopular position but I support NK maintaining nuclear weapons development so long as any other country, namely the US, has it. It's an important part of why they are able to maintain what autonomy they have regardless of how people feel about what they do with it. I don't know if anyone has seen Seoul lately but it's probably not what many people have in their minds. + Show Spoiler + That tall one in the back is taller than the new WTC btw Western media about NK reminds me of what I've read about how the US portrayed communism lifting Russia out of the "third world" momentarily.
Seoul is SK, not NK. You’re thinking of Pyongyang.
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On April 19 2019 05:54 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2019 05:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 19 2019 05:47 brian wrote:On April 19 2019 05:42 GreenHorizons wrote:I know it's an unpopular position but I support NK maintaining nuclear weapons development so long as any other country, namely the US, has it. It's an important part of why they are able to maintain what autonomy they have regardless of how people feel about what they do with it. I don't know if anyone has seen Seoul lately but it's probably not what many people have in their minds. + Show Spoiler + That tall one in the back is taller than the new WTC btw Western media about NK reminds me of what I've read about how the US portrayed communism lifting Russia out of the "third world" momentarily. that’s exactly what i thought Seoul looked like. Seoul’s in South Korea. if that’s Pyongyang then i’d be only mildly surprised that they have such a tall building idk. cities are cities. lol you're right. I was thinking of the giant pyramid thing I was watching. + Show Spoiler + i have to come clean and say i only edited in the pyongyang bit because i thought you were 4D chess’ing me and were going to tell me it was Pyongyang all along... is it? having googled a few pyongyang skylines i honestly can’t even tell.
Granted the lighting/filters aren't favorable I could easily guess the second one is NYC or another major US city if I didn't (sorta) know better lol
![[image loading]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sV6qkTHtrbc/maxresdefault.jpg)
i think people judge NK based on how they treat their poor/lower class, which isn’t really shown in a skyline.
When it's convenient, not so much when they are expected to look inward where the wealthiest country in the world has one of the worst healthcare systems and routinely allows people to die from a lack of otherwise available resources.
NK is doing the most with the least by comparison imo.
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On April 19 2019 05:43 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2019 05:12 On_Slaught wrote:On April 19 2019 04:56 Danglars wrote:On April 19 2019 04:46 On_Slaught wrote:On April 19 2019 04:35 Danglars wrote:On April 19 2019 03:53 crms wrote:
If I tell a bunch of people to do illegal shit, I'm trying to do illegal shit, how successful I am matters in sentencing but not in criminality, right? If I attempt to rob a bank but then walk away, I'm still in deep shit. If I hire a hitman and he doesn't fulfill his obligation, I'm still in deep shit. If I order my employees to do a bunch of illegal stuff and they don't follow through, I'm still in deep shit. I'd hope you find yourself surrounded by friends that will restrain your worst impulses. Especially if you're being hounded by enemies for crimes you didn't commit, who are committing criminal offenses to get you. From Barr: In assessing the President’s actions discussed in the report, it is important to bear in mind the context. President Trump faced an unprecedented situation. As he entered into office, and sought to perform his responsibilities as President, federal agents and prosecutors were scrutinizing his conduct before and after taking office, and the conduct of some of his associates. At the same time, there was relentless speculation in the news media about the President’s personal culpability. Yet, as he said from the beginning, there was in fact no collusion. And as the Special Counsel’s report acknowledges, there is substantial evidence to show that the President was frustrated and angered by a sincere belief that the investigation was undermining his presidency, propelled by his political opponents, and fueled by illegal leaks. Nonetheless, the White House fully cooperated with the Special Counsel’s investigation, providing unfettered access to campaign and White House documents, directing senior aides to testify freely, and asserting no privilege claims. And at the same time, the President took no act that in fact deprived the Special Counsel of the documents and witnesses necessary to complete his investigation. Apart from whether the acts were obstructive, this evidence of non-corrupt motives weighs heavily against any allegation that the President had a corrupt intent to obstruct the investigation. The criminal standard is corrupt intent. The fact that the President assisted the investigation with access to whatever documents and senior staff Mueller wanted works against any claim that Trump possessed the mens rea. In point of fact, he aided the investigation. Compare it with other criminal statutes that do not need intent, such as reckless endangerment. This argument is bunk because someone can publically do one thing while acting differently behind closed doors. The only thing this proves is how much of an embarrassment Barr is to his office. That he would say this after having read the report and knowing that Trump had actively tried to kill the investigation multiple times is the height of disengenuousness and misdirection. You’ve made no connection to criminality, intent, or what happened as a matter of fact. You’re going to have to do much better than mention public vs private behavior in passing. Studied ignorance of the counter argument does not prove disingenuousness or misdirection. Your behavior is inseparable from if Mueller recommended obstruction of justice. Mueller does this for me. Literally. For over 200 pages. Yours and Barrs defense that the WH did the bare minimum to cooperate does not make hundreds of pages of evidence that Trump tried to kill the investigation disappear. Oh, and Trump has made his hope to kill the investigation public literally hundreds, if not thousands, of times. His intent is clear. The defense was offered against all those pages, so pointing back at them will not help you out Also, calling “unfettered access” to documents, personnel, etc free from executive privilege is not “the bare minimum to cooperate.” You really need to let go of your hatred of Trump and Barr.
First, that idea of unfettered access is a lie since people like Don Jr and Trump refused to testify.
Second, the way Barr worded it is more proof he is full of shit. He said "nothing in fact" deprived Muellers team of info knowing full well that Trump was trying to kill the investigation and tell people not to cooperate but did not "in fact" do it because his aids ignored his orders. I doubt that wording is a coincidence.
Third, of course Trump had corrupt intent. Dont take my word for it (or Barrs), take Trumps. He plainly said he fired Comey for the Flynn - Russia thing. He plainly said his intent was to end an investigation which we now know revealed criminal activity and dishonesty from his administration.
This is simple stuff guys.
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On April 19 2019 05:58 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2019 05:54 brian wrote:On April 19 2019 05:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 19 2019 05:47 brian wrote:On April 19 2019 05:42 GreenHorizons wrote:I know it's an unpopular position but I support NK maintaining nuclear weapons development so long as any other country, namely the US, has it. It's an important part of why they are able to maintain what autonomy they have regardless of how people feel about what they do with it. I don't know if anyone has seen Seoul lately but it's probably not what many people have in their minds. + Show Spoiler + That tall one in the back is taller than the new WTC btw Western media about NK reminds me of what I've read about how the US portrayed communism lifting Russia out of the "third world" momentarily. that’s exactly what i thought Seoul looked like. Seoul’s in South Korea. if that’s Pyongyang then i’d be only mildly surprised that they have such a tall building idk. cities are cities. lol you're right. I was thinking of the giant pyramid thing I was watching. + Show Spoiler + i have to come clean and say i only edited in the pyongyang bit because i thought you were 4D chess’ing me and were going to tell me it was Pyongyang all along... is it? having googled a few pyongyang skylines i honestly can’t even tell. Granted the lighting/filters aren't favorable I could easily guess the second one is NYC or another major US city if I didn't (sorta) know better lol Show nested quote + i think people judge NK based on how they treat their poor/lower class, which isn’t really shown in a skyline. When it's convenient, not so much when they are expected to look inward where the wealthiest country in the world has one of the worst healthcare systems and routinely allows people to die from a lack of otherwise available resources. NK is doing the most with the least by comparison imo.
yea i definitely considered whether it was hypocritical to even write it. but i think this is one of those cases where one can actually argue the freedom/free market angle and actually convince you maybe choosing the word ‘most’ there is giving a little too much credit?
like if even half of the censorship and restricted civil liberty stories are true it seems a prime target for things they could be doing better despite how little they may have to work with.
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On April 19 2019 06:06 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2019 05:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 19 2019 05:54 brian wrote:On April 19 2019 05:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 19 2019 05:47 brian wrote:On April 19 2019 05:42 GreenHorizons wrote:I know it's an unpopular position but I support NK maintaining nuclear weapons development so long as any other country, namely the US, has it. It's an important part of why they are able to maintain what autonomy they have regardless of how people feel about what they do with it. I don't know if anyone has seen Seoul lately but it's probably not what many people have in their minds. + Show Spoiler + That tall one in the back is taller than the new WTC btw Western media about NK reminds me of what I've read about how the US portrayed communism lifting Russia out of the "third world" momentarily. that’s exactly what i thought Seoul looked like. Seoul’s in South Korea. if that’s Pyongyang then i’d be only mildly surprised that they have such a tall building idk. cities are cities. lol you're right. I was thinking of the giant pyramid thing I was watching. + Show Spoiler + i have to come clean and say i only edited in the pyongyang bit because i thought you were 4D chess’ing me and were going to tell me it was Pyongyang all along... is it? having googled a few pyongyang skylines i honestly can’t even tell. Granted the lighting/filters aren't favorable I could easily guess the second one is NYC or another major US city if I didn't (sorta) know better lol i think people judge NK based on how they treat their poor/lower class, which isn’t really shown in a skyline. When it's convenient, not so much when they are expected to look inward where the wealthiest country in the world has one of the worst healthcare systems and routinely allows people to die from a lack of otherwise available resources. NK is doing the most with the least by comparison imo. yea i definitely considered whether it was hypocritical to even write it. but i think this is one of those cases where one can actually argue the freedom/free market angle and actually convince you maybe choosing the word ‘most’ there is giving a little too much credit?
"doing the most" is AAVE. I don't mean they are literally "doing the most" just means they are doing far more than they are being given credit for (in this context). Building a giant light show pyramid for example.
Moreover that the US has any moral or ethical authority over their Nuclear program or how they treat their poor is pretty much entirely a western fiction imo.
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On April 19 2019 06:11 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2019 06:06 brian wrote:On April 19 2019 05:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 19 2019 05:54 brian wrote:On April 19 2019 05:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 19 2019 05:47 brian wrote:On April 19 2019 05:42 GreenHorizons wrote:I know it's an unpopular position but I support NK maintaining nuclear weapons development so long as any other country, namely the US, has it. It's an important part of why they are able to maintain what autonomy they have regardless of how people feel about what they do with it. I don't know if anyone has seen Seoul lately but it's probably not what many people have in their minds. + Show Spoiler + That tall one in the back is taller than the new WTC btw Western media about NK reminds me of what I've read about how the US portrayed communism lifting Russia out of the "third world" momentarily. that’s exactly what i thought Seoul looked like. Seoul’s in South Korea. if that’s Pyongyang then i’d be only mildly surprised that they have such a tall building idk. cities are cities. lol you're right. I was thinking of the giant pyramid thing I was watching. + Show Spoiler + i have to come clean and say i only edited in the pyongyang bit because i thought you were 4D chess’ing me and were going to tell me it was Pyongyang all along... is it? having googled a few pyongyang skylines i honestly can’t even tell. Granted the lighting/filters aren't favorable I could easily guess the second one is NYC or another major US city if I didn't (sorta) know better lol i think people judge NK based on how they treat their poor/lower class, which isn’t really shown in a skyline. When it's convenient, not so much when they are expected to look inward where the wealthiest country in the world has one of the worst healthcare systems and routinely allows people to die from a lack of otherwise available resources. NK is doing the most with the least by comparison imo. yea i definitely considered whether it was hypocritical to even write it. but i think this is one of those cases where one can actually argue the freedom/free market angle and actually convince you maybe choosing the word ‘most’ there is giving a little too much credit? "doing the most" is AAVE. I don't mean they are literally "doing the most" just means they are doing far more than they are being given credit for (in this context). Moreover that the US has any moral or ethical authority over their Nuclear program or how they treat their poor is pretty much entirely a western fiction imo.
You can disagree with the US without defending the gulag. North Korea is an abomination. An ongoing humanitarian crisis. An offence against basic human decency. A slave state.
This is not a case of “one side is bad therefore the other is good”, this is like how the US in the 1940s was shitty but the other guys were Nazis. NK are like Nazis, concentration camps for political undesirables and all.
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On April 19 2019 06:16 JimmiC wrote:
Isn't most of the buildings in NK unfinished and just lit up for show but most of the time dark when you see it from the sky?
And why would you want dictator who holds his people hostage as they starve to death and he lives an incredible life of luxury? Wouldn't you rather the people have something similar to South Korea?
I'm so baffled that you would think that NK is better off with Kim Jong Un than basically anyone else. He tortures and murders his people and lets them starve. I'm so confused.
Mostly because I've stopped swallowing western propaganda whole. They say weird totally fictional things far too often. The one about the executed guy who was then later photographed totally alive comes to mind (though I don't have a link handy).
On April 19 2019 06:18 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2019 06:11 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 19 2019 06:06 brian wrote:On April 19 2019 05:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 19 2019 05:54 brian wrote:On April 19 2019 05:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 19 2019 05:47 brian wrote:On April 19 2019 05:42 GreenHorizons wrote:I know it's an unpopular position but I support NK maintaining nuclear weapons development so long as any other country, namely the US, has it. It's an important part of why they are able to maintain what autonomy they have regardless of how people feel about what they do with it. I don't know if anyone has seen Seoul lately but it's probably not what many people have in their minds. + Show Spoiler + That tall one in the back is taller than the new WTC btw Western media about NK reminds me of what I've read about how the US portrayed communism lifting Russia out of the "third world" momentarily. that’s exactly what i thought Seoul looked like. Seoul’s in South Korea. if that’s Pyongyang then i’d be only mildly surprised that they have such a tall building idk. cities are cities. lol you're right. I was thinking of the giant pyramid thing I was watching. + Show Spoiler + i have to come clean and say i only edited in the pyongyang bit because i thought you were 4D chess’ing me and were going to tell me it was Pyongyang all along... is it? having googled a few pyongyang skylines i honestly can’t even tell. Granted the lighting/filters aren't favorable I could easily guess the second one is NYC or another major US city if I didn't (sorta) know better lol i think people judge NK based on how they treat their poor/lower class, which isn’t really shown in a skyline. When it's convenient, not so much when they are expected to look inward where the wealthiest country in the world has one of the worst healthcare systems and routinely allows people to die from a lack of otherwise available resources. NK is doing the most with the least by comparison imo. yea i definitely considered whether it was hypocritical to even write it. but i think this is one of those cases where one can actually argue the freedom/free market angle and actually convince you maybe choosing the word ‘most’ there is giving a little too much credit? "doing the most" is AAVE. I don't mean they are literally "doing the most" just means they are doing far more than they are being given credit for (in this context). Moreover that the US has any moral or ethical authority over their Nuclear program or how they treat their poor is pretty much entirely a western fiction imo. You can disagree with the US without defending the gulag. North Korea is an abomination. An ongoing humanitarian crisis. An offence against basic human decency. A slave state. This is not a case of “one side is bad therefore the other is good”, this is like how the US in the 1940s was shitty but the other guys were Nazis. NK are like Nazis, concentration camps for political undesirables and all.
I know this is the narrative but I don't accept it. Give NK the same per capita income as the US and I'd wager the poorest people are treated better than they are here. Most of the complaints about NK are about what it takes (or at least what other nations including the US did) to transition from the 3rd to the 1st world as we know them rather than anything specific to their leadership.
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On April 19 2019 06:21 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2019 06:16 JimmiC wrote:
Isn't most of the buildings in NK unfinished and just lit up for show but most of the time dark when you see it from the sky?
And why would you want dictator who holds his people hostage as they starve to death and he lives an incredible life of luxury? Wouldn't you rather the people have something similar to South Korea?
I'm so baffled that you would think that NK is better off with Kim Jong Un than basically anyone else. He tortures and murders his people and lets them starve. I'm so confused. Mostly because I've stopped swallowing western propaganda whole. They say weird totally fictional things far too often. The one about the executed guy who was then later photographed totally alive comes to mind (though I don't have a link handy). Show nested quote +On April 19 2019 06:18 KwarK wrote:On April 19 2019 06:11 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 19 2019 06:06 brian wrote:On April 19 2019 05:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 19 2019 05:54 brian wrote:On April 19 2019 05:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 19 2019 05:47 brian wrote:On April 19 2019 05:42 GreenHorizons wrote:I know it's an unpopular position but I support NK maintaining nuclear weapons development so long as any other country, namely the US, has it. It's an important part of why they are able to maintain what autonomy they have regardless of how people feel about what they do with it. I don't know if anyone has seen Seoul lately but it's probably not what many people have in their minds. + Show Spoiler + That tall one in the back is taller than the new WTC btw Western media about NK reminds me of what I've read about how the US portrayed communism lifting Russia out of the "third world" momentarily. that’s exactly what i thought Seoul looked like. Seoul’s in South Korea. if that’s Pyongyang then i’d be only mildly surprised that they have such a tall building idk. cities are cities. lol you're right. I was thinking of the giant pyramid thing I was watching. + Show Spoiler + i have to come clean and say i only edited in the pyongyang bit because i thought you were 4D chess’ing me and were going to tell me it was Pyongyang all along... is it? having googled a few pyongyang skylines i honestly can’t even tell. Granted the lighting/filters aren't favorable I could easily guess the second one is NYC or another major US city if I didn't (sorta) know better lol i think people judge NK based on how they treat their poor/lower class, which isn’t really shown in a skyline. When it's convenient, not so much when they are expected to look inward where the wealthiest country in the world has one of the worst healthcare systems and routinely allows people to die from a lack of otherwise available resources. NK is doing the most with the least by comparison imo. yea i definitely considered whether it was hypocritical to even write it. but i think this is one of those cases where one can actually argue the freedom/free market angle and actually convince you maybe choosing the word ‘most’ there is giving a little too much credit? "doing the most" is AAVE. I don't mean they are literally "doing the most" just means they are doing far more than they are being given credit for (in this context). Moreover that the US has any moral or ethical authority over their Nuclear program or how they treat their poor is pretty much entirely a western fiction imo. You can disagree with the US without defending the gulag. North Korea is an abomination. An ongoing humanitarian crisis. An offence against basic human decency. A slave state. This is not a case of “one side is bad therefore the other is good”, this is like how the US in the 1940s was shitty but the other guys were Nazis. NK are like Nazis, concentration camps for political undesirables and all. I know this is the narrative but I don't accept it. Give NK the same per capita income as the US and I'd wager the poorest people are treated better than they are here. Most of the complaints about NK are about what it takes (or at least what other nations including the US did) to transition from the 3rd to the 1st world as we know them rather than anything specific to their leadership.
This is not historically accurate. At the start of the division NK was the industrialized rich Korea. It then received 40 years of foreign investment and subsidies from the USSR. The problem isn’t that NK hasn’t transitioned into a first world nation yet, it’s that political oppression and abuse have actively worsened the situation.
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North Korea became pretty notorious in the aviation world for creating fake photos of "fighter jets" that were clearly just props. This was back in the early 2000s. And this wasn't propaganda, but stuff put out by NK that my grandfather would just email me because he thought it was hilarious how silly the "planes" looked.
I won't go so far as to believe the entire city of Pyongyang is filled with fake buildings. But I think it is good for everyone to be suspect of any news or information coming out of NK. It has always been hard to parse what is real and what isn't. That goes for western media outlets too.
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On April 19 2019 06:24 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2019 06:18 KwarK wrote:On April 19 2019 06:11 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 19 2019 06:06 brian wrote:On April 19 2019 05:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 19 2019 05:54 brian wrote:On April 19 2019 05:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 19 2019 05:47 brian wrote:On April 19 2019 05:42 GreenHorizons wrote:I know it's an unpopular position but I support NK maintaining nuclear weapons development so long as any other country, namely the US, has it. It's an important part of why they are able to maintain what autonomy they have regardless of how people feel about what they do with it. I don't know if anyone has seen Seoul lately but it's probably not what many people have in their minds. + Show Spoiler + That tall one in the back is taller than the new WTC btw Western media about NK reminds me of what I've read about how the US portrayed communism lifting Russia out of the "third world" momentarily. that’s exactly what i thought Seoul looked like. Seoul’s in South Korea. if that’s Pyongyang then i’d be only mildly surprised that they have such a tall building idk. cities are cities. lol you're right. I was thinking of the giant pyramid thing I was watching. + Show Spoiler + i have to come clean and say i only edited in the pyongyang bit because i thought you were 4D chess’ing me and were going to tell me it was Pyongyang all along... is it? having googled a few pyongyang skylines i honestly can’t even tell. Granted the lighting/filters aren't favorable I could easily guess the second one is NYC or another major US city if I didn't (sorta) know better lol i think people judge NK based on how they treat their poor/lower class, which isn’t really shown in a skyline. When it's convenient, not so much when they are expected to look inward where the wealthiest country in the world has one of the worst healthcare systems and routinely allows people to die from a lack of otherwise available resources. NK is doing the most with the least by comparison imo. yea i definitely considered whether it was hypocritical to even write it. but i think this is one of those cases where one can actually argue the freedom/free market angle and actually convince you maybe choosing the word ‘most’ there is giving a little too much credit? "doing the most" is AAVE. I don't mean they are literally "doing the most" just means they are doing far more than they are being given credit for (in this context). Moreover that the US has any moral or ethical authority over their Nuclear program or how they treat their poor is pretty much entirely a western fiction imo. You can disagree with the US without defending the gulag. North Korea is an abomination. An ongoing humanitarian crisis. An offence against basic human decency. A slave state. This is not a case of “one side is bad therefore the other is good”, this is like how the US in the 1940s was shitty but the other guys were Nazis. NK are like Nazis, concentration camps for political undesirables and all. Yes this, it is basically the worst place in the world to get born. It is hard to take some one from the US who has food, has a computer and internet, can complain and bash their country to no end without some secret police showing up at your house to take you to the gulag and then somehow act as though they are better off because... Well I don't even know why. No matter how bad you think you have it in GH, and I don't want to diminish what ever you went through because it must have been awful to have you be this angry at your own country and the political system. You have it way better than a North Korean, and it is not even close.
One mistake there is thinking that I in any way am under the mistaken presumption that I as a Black US citizen have it worse than a NK born into poverty.
I would also correct that it is under no construction the worst place in the world to be born. It's probably not in anyone's top 10 but there's a continent full of worse places (thanks in no small part to western colonization).
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I’m going to start moderating NK apologists the same way Nazi apologists get moderated. Should make things simple enough.
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