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Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
February 27 2019 18:12 GMT
#23201
So it was just demonstrated that Trump at best mislead, at worse lied under oath when he stated he barely knew Felix Sater in 2013, that he might not recognize him in front of him.
According to Cohen, Sater had his office in Trump tower, on the same floor as him (later became Cohen's office), and was a senior advisor to Trump. He speculates records of that should be kept offsite in the Trump Org archives.
NoiR
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
February 27 2019 18:18 GMT
#23202
I'm just following the cliffnotes version of the testimony:

Krishnamoorthi asks if there is any other wrongdoing or illegality by Trump that Cohen is aware of:

“Yes and again those are part of the investigation that’s currently being looked at by the Southern District of New York.”


That's probably the most interesting part so far, Trump is being investigated for state crimes. It's just an investigation right now though, so until the Mueller report gets published we probably won't know more.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9641 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-27 18:20:55
February 27 2019 18:19 GMT
#23203
ballsy of mr amash to point out how corrupt Cohen is/was upon asking why trump would hire him? probably for exactly that reason.

i’m surprised cohen didn’t put that together. unless Amash actually intends to ask meaningful questions, which seems to be the case. i will withhold judgement then.

yep, i was mistaken. a very sensible line of questioning from a republican. bravo.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 27 2019 18:20 GMT
#23204
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Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-27 18:29:50
February 27 2019 18:25 GMT
#23205
Meadows I believe (or was it Jordan ?), just looked like an idiot (delayed).
He went on a rant for 2 minutes that Cohen improperly filled a document that asked to disclose (according to him) all contract with foreign entities, in which Cohen did not disclose 4 contracts. Cohen corrected that it required only to disclose contracts with foreign government entities. Meadows insisted and shouted that it was written right on the paper "non government entities" and asked Cohen if he had to read it out loud, in a "gotcha" moment.

5 minutes later, another congresswoman (Hill) confirmed that the document in question in fact mentioned only foreign government-owned entities...
This is so lame.


Amash actually had some questions, and even a near praise for Cohen at the end. Surprising from a Republican seeing how the rest are behaving.
NoiR
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
February 27 2019 18:29 GMT
#23206
Is it against the rules for Adam schiff to talk to cohen about things that might come up for the testimony?

Seems like he did, but it would be really stupid if it was against the rules
Something witty
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
February 27 2019 18:38 GMT
#23207
I wonder if someone will grill Cohen on the Prague cellphone report.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
February 27 2019 18:44 GMT
#23208
People would not just record other people! That would never happen!

Except all the times people record others
Something witty
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-27 18:47:22
February 27 2019 18:46 GMT
#23209
Oh shit, Prague came up. And he just shot it the fuck down.

This really pokes a huge hole in the russia doc does it not? Or at least a hole, maybe not huge
Something witty
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-27 18:51:29
February 27 2019 18:47 GMT
#23210
On February 28 2019 03:38 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I wonder if someone will grill Cohen on the Prague cellphone report.


Well, he did just quickly said he has never been to Prague.

The chance that any intelligence dossier would be 100% correct is very low in any case...

"There are around 100 audio tapes, right, would you make them available to this committee ?"
"Yes, if you really like them" (muffled laughs)
NoiR
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
February 27 2019 18:55 GMT
#23211
On February 28 2019 02:46 Plansix wrote:
I don't think it is illegal, specifically. Just not profitable because the victims will seek civil damages and eat up all the profits.


Genuine question, do Cohen's crimes have victims?
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8257 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-27 19:00:53
February 27 2019 18:59 GMT
#23212
On February 28 2019 03:55 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2019 02:46 Plansix wrote:
I don't think it is illegal, specifically. Just not profitable because the victims will seek civil damages and eat up all the profits.


Genuine question, do Cohen's crimes have victims?


About 325.7 million victims I'd say, more if you count Trumps disastrous foreign policy
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-27 19:05:41
February 27 2019 19:00 GMT
#23213
On February 28 2019 03:55 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2019 02:46 Plansix wrote:
I don't think it is illegal, specifically. Just not profitable because the victims will seek civil damages and eat up all the profits.


Genuine question, do Cohen's crimes have victims?


About the lying and making false statements to banks, I am not sure. He said he never defaulted on any loan, has never been bankrupted and repaid everything, not owing a dollar to a bank right now.
So on this side at least, he looks clear. I am not familiar with the other crimes.



Kelly Armstrong has a good point, he asked if those 100 tapes Cohen referenced had conversations with other clients covered by attorney client privilege, Cohen said yes. He was ready to turn those over instantly, even while the clients have not waived that privilege.
NoiR
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 27 2019 19:13 GMT
#23214
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Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-27 19:21:11
February 27 2019 19:20 GMT
#23215
"Is there any proof that Trump directed you to pay from your home equity ? tape, mail, sms ?"
"Trump does not use sms or mail, there is no tape."
"So there isn't any proof that these checks are from the repayment of the hush money ?"
"Well, apart from the fact Giuliani publicly said that the president repaid me for that, not really."

Oops. Thank you M. Giuliani !
NoiR
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-27 19:33:41
February 27 2019 19:31 GMT
#23216
mr Roy: this is a waste of time, therefore I will recite all the republican party line parts about borders and MS13 which have 0 to do with this current testimony.

He even went and complained about the public debt amassing as they sit there. Like bro you only increased the debt last two ears.

Is there even one of them interested in actual oversight?
Neosteel Enthusiast
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
February 27 2019 19:35 GMT
#23217
On February 28 2019 04:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
mr Roy: this is a waste of time, therefore I will recite all the republican party line parts about borders and MS13 which have 0 to do with this current testimony.

He even went and complained about the public debt amassing as they sit there.

Is there even one of them interested in actual oversight?


Well, they are nearly all (including democrats) hypocrits when it is covering their party/president/interests... You shouldn't be surprised. Politics...
One of the reps had the gall to say they could use this time to improve the crumbling infrastructure of the US. What have they done these last 2 years ? :-D
NoiR
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-27 19:39:20
February 27 2019 19:36 GMT
#23218
With a few exceptions, most Republican legislators only know how to oppose Democrats. That’s all they’ve run on and it’s all they’ll ever do. P6 has talked about this before; Trump being in charge has exposed how little Republicans care about actual governance.

There’s some both sides truth to that, but beyond glittering generalities, it’s pretty clear that folks like Jim Jordan don’t really care about government working because they hold themselves out as folks who think government doesn’t work. Democrats have their own issues, but that is not one of them.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
February 27 2019 19:36 GMT
#23219
It seems the Republican strategy is to support Trump, denounce Cohen as a liar and generally provide as distraction from what Cohen is saying by being as bizarre as possible themselves.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9641 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-27 19:42:40
February 27 2019 19:40 GMT
#23220
finally someone denounced gaetz and made clear that he absolutely committed a crime on twitter yesterday(of course, until judged i should qualify this. but i won’t.) i couldn’t tell if she said he IS being referred for criminal investigation or just *should.* god bless if we finally manage to get this shit show under control.
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