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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11905 Posts
Nonsense aside, do you really not already have this stuff? Like rules that new houses need to be well isolated (and thus more energy efficient), or aids to help older houses become more energy efficient? Or energy labels on electronics, fridges etc...? No rules with regards to lightbulbs? I gotta say, every time someone in the US demands something, i am mostly surprised that you don't already have that thing. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On February 10 2019 19:49 Wegandi wrote: Stuff like this sounds good, but is actually worse for the environment. Because it is inefficient people tend to flush multiple times ironically, using more water than a normal toilet. This is not uncommon with "environmentally" designed schlock. AOC's Green "Red" ND is a joke. Using AGW as a cover for every little piece of control socialists have wanted for more than a century, but haven't yet been able to get their paws on. What toilets are you talking about? American toilets use siphonic flushing that fundamentally use far more water not just in the flush but general bowl size and water level. We not in America use wash down style toilets that have a far lower water level and use less water per flush. They also don't need the suction required, which means they can have larger trapways so they also don't clog anywhere near as often if at all. Which saves water because you're not wasting gallons of water clearing out clogs. As an Australian who has lived with Caroma dual flush toilets for his entire life, there's basically no one who has had to use the full flush or multiple flushes in a house with adequate plumbing. The only places where I have ever had any trouble with flushing was in very, very old multi-storey houses and external outhouses that are also very, very old. I have also never had had or seen a blocked toilet except in shopping centers because the occasional idiot wants to try and flush an entire toilet roll all at once. The only real consequence of our wash down toilets is that we need toilet brushes since they don't keep the bowl as clean as those that use siphonic flushing. That's about it, you just use a toilet brush occasionally to keep the bowl as clean as you want it. This tweet basically sums up the Australian experience with American toilets: | ||
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Excludos
Norway8264 Posts
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Ryzel
United States554 Posts
Complaining about environmentally regulated toilets seems like a pretty shitty hill to die on. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11905 Posts
On February 11 2019 00:38 JimmiC wrote: There are actual questions you can get into. Like figuring out the environmental cost of the Lithium and other materials needed for the electric car batteries. Or does it make sense to recycle certain types of plastic based on how far you have to transport it and the environmental cost of doing so. (it is really just much better to consume much less). But he picks an item that has no draw backs. They just use less water when you don't need it. It is the equivalent of stopping a leaky faucet. Those would require to actually weigh pros and cons, which would mean that you need to admit that there are pros to it, which would mean that you need to admit that maybe there is something to enviromentalism and/or climate change. If you talk about toilets, you can just mock the whole idea and don't have to admit any of that. And you can make fun of the silly socialists who want to regulate our toilets, which sounds superficially silly until you stop to think about it for half a second. (Also, obviously a completely different situation from trying to tell people what they can do in their bedroom, that is totally sensible!) | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On February 10 2019 19:49 Wegandi wrote: Stuff like this sounds good, but is actually worse for the environment. Because it is inefficient people tend to flush multiple times ironically, using more water than a normal toilet. This is not uncommon with "environmentally" designed schlock. AOC's Green "Red" ND is a joke. Using AGW as a cover for every little piece of control socialists have wanted for more than a century, but haven't yet been able to get their paws on. Wtf? Please tell me this is actually a parody of the crazy American redneck stereotype. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22440 Posts
On February 11 2019 01:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Its Wegandi.Wtf? Please tell me this is actually a parody of the crazy American redneck stereotype. No, this is what crazy redneck Americans are thinking. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9316 Posts
On February 11 2019 01:20 JimmiC wrote: As to your bedroom stuff I always find it funny that the people who fight hard for it, your Trump, Manafort, stone and so on. Always have sex related scandal attached to them. It is like they hope no one will notice their shit if they rail against others less creepy shit. By now you should have read enough of xDaunt's posts to know a lot of conservatives don't care about the personal wrongdoings of their representatives as long as they deliver on their promises. But yeah, it's kind of funny when people like Trump represent the socially conservative part of the society. Politics is weird. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On February 10 2019 09:17 IgnE wrote: Are you aware of the huge number of studies which suggest that when the bulk of voters are exposed to contrary evidence it only ends up reconfirming their own views? No, I don't think they "fully aware and active political participants," but neither do I think you are "fully aware," and I'm not quite sure what such a thing would mean anyway. Should we take your formulation to be hendiadic or are you setting forth two independent criteria (i.e. both fully aware and an active political participant)? And criteria for what? Validity of opinion? Gorsameth's list is just a series of floating assertions that make very different sense depending on who is interpreting them. This isn't logic. Of course I'm aware of those studies. Which only makes your own initial objections less valid. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On February 11 2019 03:36 iamthedave wrote: Of course I'm aware of those studies. Which only makes your own initial objections less valid. Would you please characterize what you think were my initial objections? | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On February 11 2019 04:06 IgnE wrote: Would you please characterize what you think were my initial objections? Can you? | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
It's fine if you want to admit you have no idea what I was talking about. But then I'm just left wondering why you bothered to object at all. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22440 Posts
On February 11 2019 08:52 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_electionDo we have a running list of all Dems throwing their hats into the ring posted anywhere? | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On February 11 2019 08:39 IgnE wrote: ...so what were your initial objections then.Yes, I can. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9060 Posts
On February 11 2019 08:56 Gorsameth wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election Thank you sir. Wanting to see is running so I can do some light research on voting history and the such. EDIT: As you go down the list....it just gets weirder and weirder. Like...Vermin Supreme should be given a legitimate shot. Same as Akon. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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