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On May 22 2016 04:24 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2016 17:36 zeo wrote:Eagles of Death Metal Dropped From French Music Festivals After Anti-Muslim Comments
The band was dropped after comments from lead singer Justin Huges about the Paris attacks
The Eagles of Death Metal have been dropped from two French music festivals this summer after anti-Muslim commentary on last year’s Paris terrorist attacks by the band’s lead singer.
The Rock en Seine concert in Paris and the Cabaret Vert festival in northern France released a statement Friday, cited by the Associated Press, in which the groups said they are “in total disagreement” with recent statements made by the band’s frontman Jessie Hughes. Hughes gave an interview last week with the online Taki’s Magazine, saying he saw “terrorists” in the venue before the fateful concert at the Bataclan on Nov. 13 and that he witnessed “Muslims celebrating in the street during the attack.” http://time.com/4343854/eagles-of-death-metal-paris-attacks-france/#justeuropeanthings This crack me up. The guy goes through an horrible terrorist attack made by islamic radicals, make one clear cut and maybe not so bright comment, and get cancelled by the PR forces. How awesome, do stupid people from the left actually think banning thoughts is useful ?
Shouldn't confuse the consequences of saying random shit with banning thoughts. We really need to get this out of these discussions because "free speech" isn't a license to behave like an asshole
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On May 22 2016 08:47 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2016 04:24 WhiteDog wrote:On May 21 2016 17:36 zeo wrote:Eagles of Death Metal Dropped From French Music Festivals After Anti-Muslim Comments
The band was dropped after comments from lead singer Justin Huges about the Paris attacks
The Eagles of Death Metal have been dropped from two French music festivals this summer after anti-Muslim commentary on last year’s Paris terrorist attacks by the band’s lead singer.
The Rock en Seine concert in Paris and the Cabaret Vert festival in northern France released a statement Friday, cited by the Associated Press, in which the groups said they are “in total disagreement” with recent statements made by the band’s frontman Jessie Hughes. Hughes gave an interview last week with the online Taki’s Magazine, saying he saw “terrorists” in the venue before the fateful concert at the Bataclan on Nov. 13 and that he witnessed “Muslims celebrating in the street during the attack.” http://time.com/4343854/eagles-of-death-metal-paris-attacks-france/#justeuropeanthings This crack me up. The guy goes through an horrible terrorist attack made by islamic radicals, make one clear cut and maybe not so bright comment, and get cancelled by the PR forces. How awesome, do stupid people from the left actually think banning thoughts is useful ? Shouldn't confuse the consequences of saying random shit with banning thoughts. We really need to get this out of these discussions because "free speech" isn't a license to behave like an asshole
This is clearly not the case here. They're banning him for saying he saw something, which may or may not have occurred (and it is entirely plausible that it did). That is not even remotely something you can call him an asshole for.
Also I think the criticism is not that people have a 'right' to be heard regardless of what they say. This is a music festival, and deciding to ban him for his political views seems quite nonsensical, given that no one comes there for those views and no one listens to anything but the music. So I think we should be free to criticize the reasons why he is being banned, and whether they make sense (in this case very little to no sense).
I don't think its so much banning thoughts as it is protecting your public reputation. I just don't understand, when music festivals became political institutions that have to be politically correct. It seems particularly absurd when your former music guests are singing death metal, which in general does not sing about unicorns and rainbows, I mean its quite violent by its name and can have a lot of politically charged lyrics like punk rock. Or maybe that's just a strictly North American phenomenon? In any case they hail from America  .
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Well accusing the security of being terrorist aides is pretty nutty, and seems like Daive Mustaine level "Obama is responsible for Colorado" stuff. It seems pretty common with American rockbands but I honestly can't blame the organizers for not puting up with it
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On May 22 2016 04:24 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2016 17:36 zeo wrote:Eagles of Death Metal Dropped From French Music Festivals After Anti-Muslim Comments
The band was dropped after comments from lead singer Justin Huges about the Paris attacks
The Eagles of Death Metal have been dropped from two French music festivals this summer after anti-Muslim commentary on last year’s Paris terrorist attacks by the band’s lead singer.
The Rock en Seine concert in Paris and the Cabaret Vert festival in northern France released a statement Friday, cited by the Associated Press, in which the groups said they are “in total disagreement” with recent statements made by the band’s frontman Jessie Hughes. Hughes gave an interview last week with the online Taki’s Magazine, saying he saw “terrorists” in the venue before the fateful concert at the Bataclan on Nov. 13 and that he witnessed “Muslims celebrating in the street during the attack.” http://time.com/4343854/eagles-of-death-metal-paris-attacks-france/#justeuropeanthings This crack me up. The guy goes through an horrible terrorist attack made by islamic radicals, make one clear cut and maybe not so bright comment, and get cancelled by the PR forces. How awesome, do stupid people from the left actually think banning thoughts is useful ?
if we have learned one thing in the past, then its that neither the right nor the left wants to discuss things and rather bans everything they dont like. see nyxisto.
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On May 22 2016 15:04 Nyxisto wrote:
Well accusing the security of being terrorist aides is pretty nutty, and seems like Daive Mustaine level "Obama is responsible for Colorado" stuff. It seems pretty common with American rockbands but I honestly can't blame the organizers for not puting up with it
Mustaine was there when Colorado happened?
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On May 22 2016 04:24 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2016 17:36 zeo wrote:Eagles of Death Metal Dropped From French Music Festivals After Anti-Muslim Comments
The band was dropped after comments from lead singer Justin Huges about the Paris attacks
The Eagles of Death Metal have been dropped from two French music festivals this summer after anti-Muslim commentary on last year’s Paris terrorist attacks by the band’s lead singer.
The Rock en Seine concert in Paris and the Cabaret Vert festival in northern France released a statement Friday, cited by the Associated Press, in which the groups said they are “in total disagreement” with recent statements made by the band’s frontman Jessie Hughes. Hughes gave an interview last week with the online Taki’s Magazine, saying he saw “terrorists” in the venue before the fateful concert at the Bataclan on Nov. 13 and that he witnessed “Muslims celebrating in the street during the attack.” http://time.com/4343854/eagles-of-death-metal-paris-attacks-france/#justeuropeanthings This crack me up. The guy goes through an horrible terrorist attack made by islamic radicals, make one clear cut and maybe not so bright comment, and get cancelled by the PR forces. How awesome, do stupid people from the left actually think banning thoughts is useful ?
If I had a festival (actually I do but that's different), I wouldn't want someone who makes utterly racist, conspirational, homophobic and pro gun comments in the papers.
The guy went through a terrible terrorist attack, yes, but everything he has been saying after was basically spitting on what the 120 who died were standing for. I would be pretty pissed off if I were the brother of a victim to hear the guy say that the security was allied with the terrorists and that the problem is that my sister didn't have a gun.
It's allowed to speak your mind, it's also allowed not to invite someone you don't like at your festival.
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On May 22 2016 08:47 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2016 04:24 WhiteDog wrote:On May 21 2016 17:36 zeo wrote:Eagles of Death Metal Dropped From French Music Festivals After Anti-Muslim Comments
The band was dropped after comments from lead singer Justin Huges about the Paris attacks
The Eagles of Death Metal have been dropped from two French music festivals this summer after anti-Muslim commentary on last year’s Paris terrorist attacks by the band’s lead singer.
The Rock en Seine concert in Paris and the Cabaret Vert festival in northern France released a statement Friday, cited by the Associated Press, in which the groups said they are “in total disagreement” with recent statements made by the band’s frontman Jessie Hughes. Hughes gave an interview last week with the online Taki’s Magazine, saying he saw “terrorists” in the venue before the fateful concert at the Bataclan on Nov. 13 and that he witnessed “Muslims celebrating in the street during the attack.” http://time.com/4343854/eagles-of-death-metal-paris-attacks-france/#justeuropeanthings This crack me up. The guy goes through an horrible terrorist attack made by islamic radicals, make one clear cut and maybe not so bright comment, and get cancelled by the PR forces. How awesome, do stupid people from the left actually think banning thoughts is useful ? Shouldn't confuse the consequences of saying random shit with banning thoughts. We really need to get this out of these discussions because "free speech" isn't a license to behave like an asshole
This.
I steal you the cartoon; I find really annoying all those discussions about people complaining about the "PC police" and the fact that "lefties don't want to discuss and prefer banning thought", when it's really not about free speech and thought police, but about people not liking you and not wanting to talk to you and give you a platform simply because you are a douchebag.
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If he was at the festival to make a political point then fair enough but he's there to play music so 'giving him a platform' is a non issue.
I dunno the guy's obviously a moron and the things he says go against everything I stand for, but if I had bought a ticket for this festival hoping to see his band and they got cancelled just cos of this shit I would be majorly pissed off.
People put far too much weight on idiots' opinions nowadays.
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On May 22 2016 18:59 Jockmcplop wrote:
If he was at the festival to make a political point then fair enough but he's there to play music so 'giving him a platform' is a non issue.
I dunno the guy's obviously a moron and the things he says go against everything I stand for, but if I had bought a ticket for this festival hoping to see his band and they got cancelled just cos of this shit I would be majorly pissed off.
People put far too much weight on idiots' opinions nowadays.
It's the other way around: there have been far too little consequences for people uttering idiotic, baseless opinions.
Freedom of speech was invented to protect dissenters from those in power, not to protect people who have lost all sense of common decency and feel the need to publicly slander and insult anyone they please.
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And what's your preferred solution?
Trying to silence these dissenting voices isn't going to make them go away you're just pushing them underground. You're only making it harder to know what these people are actually thinking. Fighting idiotic and baseless opinions is done trough education and the like not by limiting free speech.
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first world problems: deciding whether or not an insult is a crime ...
i hope you won't play the clueless card when your civilization will fail.
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On May 22 2016 18:39 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2016 08:47 Nyxisto wrote:On May 22 2016 04:24 WhiteDog wrote:On May 21 2016 17:36 zeo wrote:Eagles of Death Metal Dropped From French Music Festivals After Anti-Muslim Comments
The band was dropped after comments from lead singer Justin Huges about the Paris attacks
The Eagles of Death Metal have been dropped from two French music festivals this summer after anti-Muslim commentary on last year’s Paris terrorist attacks by the band’s lead singer.
The Rock en Seine concert in Paris and the Cabaret Vert festival in northern France released a statement Friday, cited by the Associated Press, in which the groups said they are “in total disagreement” with recent statements made by the band’s frontman Jessie Hughes. Hughes gave an interview last week with the online Taki’s Magazine, saying he saw “terrorists” in the venue before the fateful concert at the Bataclan on Nov. 13 and that he witnessed “Muslims celebrating in the street during the attack.” http://time.com/4343854/eagles-of-death-metal-paris-attacks-france/#justeuropeanthings This crack me up. The guy goes through an horrible terrorist attack made by islamic radicals, make one clear cut and maybe not so bright comment, and get cancelled by the PR forces. How awesome, do stupid people from the left actually think banning thoughts is useful ? Shouldn't confuse the consequences of saying random shit with banning thoughts. We really need to get this out of these discussions because "free speech" isn't a license to behave like an asshole This. I steal you the cartoon; I find really annoying all those discussions about people complaining about the "PC police" and the fact that "lefties don't want to discuss and prefer banning thought", when it's really not about free speech and thought police, but about people not liking you and not wanting to talk to you and give you a platform simply because you are a douchebag.
So you are entirely fine with the extreme right asking for Black M to be removed from the verdun event ?
Freedom of speech was invented to protect dissenters from those in power, not to protect people who have lost all sense of common decency and feel the need to publicly slander and insult anyone they please.
They have some power because people in actual power refuse to adress their comments, and just reject it without any form of discussion.
What I find funny is that the guy goes through the worst terrorist attack on french soil, everybody feel like they need to support the few survivors (some of them are still hurt to this day), but as soon as some retarded lefties find out that he is not the defender of the holy values of the left (when he, for exemple, argue that being allow to carry gun is good and would have prevented the terrorist attack - again it's dumb, but you are allow to think this way...) people just drop him like he is worst trash ever. How about just pointing out that gun in the US kill more in one year than terrorist attack did in a decade ? And then, move on ...
On May 22 2016 08:47 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2016 04:24 WhiteDog wrote:On May 21 2016 17:36 zeo wrote:Eagles of Death Metal Dropped From French Music Festivals After Anti-Muslim Comments
The band was dropped after comments from lead singer Justin Huges about the Paris attacks
The Eagles of Death Metal have been dropped from two French music festivals this summer after anti-Muslim commentary on last year’s Paris terrorist attacks by the band’s lead singer.
The Rock en Seine concert in Paris and the Cabaret Vert festival in northern France released a statement Friday, cited by the Associated Press, in which the groups said they are “in total disagreement” with recent statements made by the band’s frontman Jessie Hughes. Hughes gave an interview last week with the online Taki’s Magazine, saying he saw “terrorists” in the venue before the fateful concert at the Bataclan on Nov. 13 and that he witnessed “Muslims celebrating in the street during the attack.” http://time.com/4343854/eagles-of-death-metal-paris-attacks-france/#justeuropeanthings This crack me up. The guy goes through an horrible terrorist attack made by islamic radicals, make one clear cut and maybe not so bright comment, and get cancelled by the PR forces. How awesome, do stupid people from the left actually think banning thoughts is useful ? Shouldn't confuse the consequences of saying random shit with banning thoughts. We really need to get this out of these discussions because "free speech" isn't a license to behave like an asshole
Funny argument. Until you can prove the opposite, there are thousands of people willing to go to this festival to hear them, and I'm not sure you are even going.
Soon enough the far right will be in control of most european countries, and you will not be shocked when those far right people start to drop every artist that takes far left positions because they don't like it.
On May 22 2016 15:04 Nyxisto wrote:
Well accusing the security of being terrorist aides is pretty nutty, and seems like Daive Mustaine level "Obama is responsible for Colorado" stuff. It seems pretty common with American rockbands but I honestly can't blame the organizers for not puting up with it
Case is still open, maybe let the police do it's job ? I've heard some people saying that there were abnormal number of security that were absent on the day of the event.
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On May 22 2016 21:17 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2016 18:39 Biff The Understudy wrote:On May 22 2016 08:47 Nyxisto wrote:On May 22 2016 04:24 WhiteDog wrote:On May 21 2016 17:36 zeo wrote:Eagles of Death Metal Dropped From French Music Festivals After Anti-Muslim Comments
The band was dropped after comments from lead singer Justin Huges about the Paris attacks
The Eagles of Death Metal have been dropped from two French music festivals this summer after anti-Muslim commentary on last year’s Paris terrorist attacks by the band’s lead singer.
The Rock en Seine concert in Paris and the Cabaret Vert festival in northern France released a statement Friday, cited by the Associated Press, in which the groups said they are “in total disagreement” with recent statements made by the band’s frontman Jessie Hughes. Hughes gave an interview last week with the online Taki’s Magazine, saying he saw “terrorists” in the venue before the fateful concert at the Bataclan on Nov. 13 and that he witnessed “Muslims celebrating in the street during the attack.” http://time.com/4343854/eagles-of-death-metal-paris-attacks-france/#justeuropeanthings This crack me up. The guy goes through an horrible terrorist attack made by islamic radicals, make one clear cut and maybe not so bright comment, and get cancelled by the PR forces. How awesome, do stupid people from the left actually think banning thoughts is useful ? Shouldn't confuse the consequences of saying random shit with banning thoughts. We really need to get this out of these discussions because "free speech" isn't a license to behave like an asshole This. I steal you the cartoon; I find really annoying all those discussions about people complaining about the "PC police" and the fact that "lefties don't want to discuss and prefer banning thought", when it's really not about free speech and thought police, but about people not liking you and not wanting to talk to you and give you a platform simply because you are a douchebag. So you are entirely fine with the extreme right asking for Black M to be removed from the verdun event ? Show nested quote +Freedom of speech was invented to protect dissenters from those in power, not to protect people who have lost all sense of common decency and feel the need to publicly slander and insult anyone they please. They have some power because people in actual power refuse to adress their comments, and just reject it without any form of discussion. What I find funny is that the guy goes through the worst terrorist attack on french soil, everybody feel like they need to support the few survivors (some of them are still hurt to this day), but as soon as some retarded lefties find out that he is not the defender of the holy values of the left (when he, for exemple, argue that being allow to carry gun is good and would have prevented the terrorist attack - again it's dumb, but you are allow to think this way...) people just drop him like he is worst trash ever. How about just pointing out that gun in the US kill more in one year than terrorist attack did in a decade ? And then, move on ... Show nested quote +On May 22 2016 08:47 Nyxisto wrote:On May 22 2016 04:24 WhiteDog wrote:On May 21 2016 17:36 zeo wrote:Eagles of Death Metal Dropped From French Music Festivals After Anti-Muslim Comments
The band was dropped after comments from lead singer Justin Huges about the Paris attacks
The Eagles of Death Metal have been dropped from two French music festivals this summer after anti-Muslim commentary on last year’s Paris terrorist attacks by the band’s lead singer.
The Rock en Seine concert in Paris and the Cabaret Vert festival in northern France released a statement Friday, cited by the Associated Press, in which the groups said they are “in total disagreement” with recent statements made by the band’s frontman Jessie Hughes. Hughes gave an interview last week with the online Taki’s Magazine, saying he saw “terrorists” in the venue before the fateful concert at the Bataclan on Nov. 13 and that he witnessed “Muslims celebrating in the street during the attack.” http://time.com/4343854/eagles-of-death-metal-paris-attacks-france/#justeuropeanthings This crack me up. The guy goes through an horrible terrorist attack made by islamic radicals, make one clear cut and maybe not so bright comment, and get cancelled by the PR forces. How awesome, do stupid people from the left actually think banning thoughts is useful ? Shouldn't confuse the consequences of saying random shit with banning thoughts. We really need to get this out of these discussions because "free speech" isn't a license to behave like an asshole Funny argument. Until you can prove the opposite, there are thousands of people willing to go to this festival to hear them, and I'm not sure you are even going. Soon enough the far right will be in control of most european countries, and you will not be shocked when those far right people start to drop every artist that takes far left positions because they don't like it. Show nested quote +On May 22 2016 15:04 Nyxisto wrote:
Well accusing the security of being terrorist aides is pretty nutty, and seems like Daive Mustaine level "Obama is responsible for Colorado" stuff. It seems pretty common with American rockbands but I honestly can't blame the organizers for not puting up with it Case is still open, maybe let the police do it's job ? I've heard some people saying that there were abnormal number of security that were absent on the day of the event.
I would say right wing parties being on the rise throughout Europe got more than a bit to do with the utter bigotry of the "new left". I refuse to call them left because they lack values which the classical left had (like working out a consent stuff like that), they are more ordoliberals.
Anyway them kicking out significant parts of the population from the opinion forming process to the point of being chastisised from society for voicing unpopular (not extreme) opinions is playing a big role in the formation of new right wing movements. Unfortunately they are so blinded by their own self righteousness that they can't see that. Could very well be that we see the next right wing dude in power today in Austria. The whining and fear mongering in my national press is quite amusing already, They basically fear the creation of the 4th Reich. Interesting times.
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On May 22 2016 21:17 WhiteDog wrote:
Case is still open, maybe let the police do it's job ? I've heard some people saying that there were abnormal number of security that were absent on the day of the event.
And you're honestly going to tell me this warrants statements like "the security guards were in on it?" This guy has a fairly large audience now, you should tell him that we should wait what the police has to say. Not to mention that shit like "they were cheering in the streets" is not only completely without basis but also fucking venomous. Even if he apologizes and retracts the statements it will still remain divisive, just like Trump's "they were cheering on 9/11"
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50:50 in the presidential election here in Austria and ppl discuss jessie Hughes.
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On May 23 2016 02:22 xpldngmn wrote:50:50 in the presidential election here in Austria and ppl discuss jessie Hughes.
Give us your insight, what do you think about what is happening in Austria.
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On May 23 2016 02:22 xpldngmn wrote:50:50 in the presidential election here in Austria and ppl discuss jessie Hughes.
Yeah well that's what I also could have foreseen for the US, if Sanders was democratic candidate.
Anyway, austrian politics seems to have turned into a giant clusterfuck over the last 1-2 decades, from what I've read in the last weeks. The worst thing (for me) about this is that the way Hofer is portayed unfairly here in germany, receiving tons of criticism while questionable remarks by van der Bellen are more or less ignored, I almost want to root for him....
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On May 23 2016 02:36 Mafe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2016 02:22 xpldngmn wrote:50:50 in the presidential election here in Austria and ppl discuss jessie Hughes. Yeah well that's what I also could have foreseen for the US, if Sanders was democratic candidate. Anyway, austrian politics seems to have turned into a giant clusterfuck over the last 1-2 decades, from what I've read in the last weeks. The worst thing (for me) about this is that the way Hofer is portayed unfairly here in germany, receiving tons of criticism while questionable remarks by van der Bellen are more or less ignored, I almost want to root for him....
I'm starting to see a pattern here...
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Finally made it to the train so I got a few minutes to type a few lines for my international audience here
On May 23 2016 02:36 Mafe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2016 02:22 xpldngmn wrote:50:50 in the presidential election here in Austria and ppl discuss jessie Hughes. Yeah well that's what I also could have foreseen for the US, if Sanders was democratic candidate. Anyway, austrian politics seems to have turned into a giant clusterfuck over the last 1-2 decades, from what I've read in the last weeks. The worst thing (for me) about this is that the way Hofer is portayed unfairly here in germany, receiving tons of criticism while questionable remarks by van der Bellen are more or less ignored, I almost want to root for him....
Questionable remarks by van der Bellen? I'd really like to read those.
Hofer did get some slack, but he isn't the most honest man. Much like Trump, he sees reality only the way he and his followers see it.
The facts:
In the first round the candidates from the usual big parties (social democrats and people's party) scored only 4th and 5th place. Norbert Hofer (FPÖ, courts decided it to be legal to call the rightwing populists) won it with a huge margin, van der Bellen "independent candidate" (former leader of green party, the best they ever got, he's an economics Prof at University) got second. Griss, the only female candidate was 3rd, she is the only real independent candidate and former judge at highest administrative Court. Predictions all saw van der Bellen as the clear winner, so for the final ballot none were released. Things got pretty heated in the last to weeks.
So what's new? Nobody thought the FPÖ might surpass 30 % in any vote.
My very personal interpretation:
Social democrats and people's party have completely forgotten their roots (workers; farmers and small businesses) and only cater towards their own interests. When it comes to public jobs, there is the saying that you have to get 3 people. One social democrat, one from the people's party and one who actually does the job.
People got fed up with that and started to vote for FPÖ under Jörg Haider. People think the FPÖ is the only party that cares for the man on the street. (Which they clearly don't they are in favour of cutting down welfare, but constantly bash on immigrants and refugees so no one notices.) Haider, although gay was fishing for far right voters as well, he made remarks about the good job policies in the 3rd reich an so on. FPÖ is still flirting with those groups. They deny any allegations with far right groups (being Nazi openly is forbidden in Austria) like the Mouvance identitaire, but they always flirt with nazi ideology and Norbert Hofer is member of a fraternity that wants to see a großdeutsches Reich again, the FPÖ's party leader took part in some paramilitary trainings with austria's biggest neonazi and so on. It just never stops with these guys. Their international friends include front national, AFD, Vlaam's Belang, Kadyrow and swiss' SVP.
FPÖ made it into a coalition in the last decade, courts will have to work another ten years to solve all the mischief done in this period.
Greens are greens like they are everywere I suppose. People call them a "prohibition party" because they want to ban smoking from bars (smokers come to Austria, it is great here) and want to make people use public transport instead of their own cars and so on. Ofc there are some delusional lefties, but none are openly violent. Van der Bellen was a very centrist proponent of the green party, all in favor of free trade (him not being in total opposition to TTIP might have cost him some votes) and stuff.
I think in this vote it came down to a few major factors:
People who believe in european integration and an open society voted for van der Bellen. Those who think an isolationist course (all those refugees!) is the better way to go voted for Hofer.
The disparities between male:female and educated:uneducated voters are huge.
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So basically the other 2 parties were corrupt as hell and out of anger people vote for an extremist. How surprising.
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