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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
 Much better than if Google got the deal. Let's hope the goal really is a long term vision. With a smooth development, no aggressive moves. Let's see in half a year. Edit: On August 26 2014 14:29 Advantageous wrote: how does this even work? who owns twitch now? Amazon or Google? First they had a VOD ban, is the VOD going to be sold now? with portion of the revenue going towards the streamer? EDIT VOD-with-copyright-material-ban I hope they press the issue at some point, and disallow streaming of games that do not provide the ability to legally stream performances (in license). At some point, game publishers would be better off to just allow it. | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On August 26 2014 14:04 dabom88 wrote: Google has a history of making Youtube terrible. Most Youtubers will tell you that if another video sharing website popped up that could give them a similar level of income but a better user experience/customer support and without the TERRIBLE 3rd Party Content matching system, they would leave in a heartbeat. Totalbiscuit frequently remarks how he wishes Youtube would "just let him do his job" instead of introducing things every few months that make it harder to do his job. Youtubers are only on youtube because it's the only serious game in town. But at least Google provides services that actually work and is watchable (Which wasn't the case for Twitch for me until very recently). Oh, and try to ask an iOS user of Comixology what they think of them after being bought by Amazon | ||
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SC2Towelie
United States561 Posts
On August 26 2014 10:15 Dracolich70 wrote: I don't find it worse. No more false claims. Oh it's worse. Muting 30 minute segments of VODs, and flagging videos that shouldn't have been flagged in the first place, that's pretty bad. But even if you completely disregard that fact, it still doesn't make any sense for Google to use a different audio recognition technology when they've already invested into one for youtube. That's a complete waste of money. Imagine you have a house with a front and back yard, and you already own one lawnmower. Why the hell would you go buy a second lawnmower when you can just use the same one for front and back?... | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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ReboundEU
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nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 26 2014 17:00 nimdil wrote: Crap. Amazon is terrible corporation. I hate this news, really hoped for Google. I don't know much about Amazon's terrible practices (they probably have some, I just haven't done the research), but Google has its own terrible practices. Youtube Content Creators really do not like a lot of Youtube's practices, policies, and lack of customer support. And are only at Youtube because it's the biggest place for Video Sharing, and thus, the only place to make as much money as they do. Google buying Twitch would have been terrible. Youtube has a TERRIBLE reputation for the way it handles Youtube, and them owning Twitch would mean that they would probably carry over those terrible practices over to Twitch, AND eliminate the competition Twitch provides them. It's one of the few sites that could possibly incentivize Youtube to change its terrible practices, so it's overall better for the consumer that Twitch not to go to Google. Keep in mind, probably the best thing Twitch has over Youtube is Customer Support. After Google took over Youtube, Google got rid of Youtube's entire Customer Support team that they used to have because they didn't want to pay them. There's no one to report to at Youtube that's responsible for getting your stuff fixed when YOUTUBE is at fault. Twitch actually has a good reputation for good customer service with its users, and actually listening to feedback. Google really does not give a flying f*** because it has no serious competition in the video sharing market. Content ID's excessive false positives, Google Plus Integration, videos stuck in processing, constantly changing the page/channel layout, and more. NOBODY liked those changes, but Google made them permanent because they don't care about what the user thinks. Even outside of content creators, me personally speaking as just a Youtube user, I shouldn't have to use 7 different Userscripts to get Youtube to work the way it should. 1. Makes it so that when I visit a user page, I go directly to their Videos Page. 2. In Search Results, it links the profile to their Videos Page instead of their Home Page. 3. When going to youtube.com, it will automatically redirect you to https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions. It will also the change link in the logo to https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions. This bypasses the dumb "What to Watch" page that also NOBODY LIKES, but Youtube forces you to go through to watch the videos you actually want to watch. F*** you Youtube, I'll decide for myself what I want to watch. 4. Playlist Remover. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/465218-youtube-auto-starting-vids-on-channels-video-page Nobody WANTS all the videos on a user's Video Page to be added to a playlist. Nobody wants the auto-play option to be turned on by default, forcing you to automatically load the next video. Again, with no way to turn it off as a default. 5. Automatically redirecting to Created Playlists instead of All Playlists. 6. One to automatically set the default size and quality of the player: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/460199-script-that-sets-youtube-default-size-and-quality For goodness sakes, just let users set their own Default size/qualities. I just want it to open in 720p or whatever is highest (sans 1080), and for it to open up in the bigger player size. Is that so much to ask? 7. Whitelist by Channel. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/460015-whitelist-by-youtube-channel-gm-script-updated I'll decide for myself whether I want to view the ads on that channel and whether that channel deserves it. This is on top of all the elements I block with Adblock Plus like the Recommendations column on the right side. | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
In my personal experience, Amazon has an excellent customer support! Fast, reliable and if you have product troubles there are little question asked! So in that area they are quite compatible! | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
Amazon K.... nah. | ||
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FetTerBender
Germany1393 Posts
On August 26 2014 17:39 Geisterkarle wrote: Because you are mentioning the customer support: In my personal experience, Amazon has an excellent customer support! Fast, reliable and if you have product troubles there are little question asked! So in that area they are quite compatible! This so much. Amazon has sick customer orientation and tries to solve the problems rather than sit them out from my experience. | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On August 26 2014 17:19 dabom88 wrote: I don't know much about Amazon's terrible practices (they probably have some, I just haven't done the research) Amazon buying Comixology and then pissing of their iOS customers is one relatively recent example of something that they could have done better | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 26 2014 17:50 WindWolf wrote: Amazon buying Comixology and then pissing of their iOS customers is one relatively recent example of something that they could have done better I don't know what Comixology is, and I despise Apple, so that's why I probably haven't heard of that story. *reads up on the issue* Now that I have, I don't understand the problem. Amazon doesn't want to pay Apple, so they workaround it. Is buying comics from the Safari browser really that hard? The move gives more money to the content creator instead of the middle Man, and that Middle Man is Apple, so it looks doubly good from where I stand. If anything, blame Apple for the unbelievably unreasonable 30% commission it takes for in-app purchases. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 26 2014 18:14 Incognoto wrote: I don't like the whitelist aspect of what you're saying in that big post, if the channel you received got a view at all, it should deserve the ad-revenue. Problem is, I'm already using Adblock Plus to block elements I already don't like about Youtube's interface. It's collateral damage, and really, I'm not going lose any sleep over not turning it off for a user or site I don't care about (yet) anyway. Disabling it for sites and users you know and trust is the best middle ground due to ad companies and some sites ****ing it up for people and sites who weren't abusing them. For example, I think it's pretty clear I hate Youtube's management. The only time I will disable ABP for them is IF AND WHEN it benefits content creators. Meaning only when an in-video ad is involved, I don't care about the ads on the Youtube page or sidebars etc. They can deal with my adblocking until they fix their many problems (like actually getting a Customer Support team) and then I'll consider supporting Youtube management. | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On August 26 2014 17:55 dabom88 wrote: I don't know what Comixology is, and I despise Apple, so that's why I probably haven't heard of that story. *reads up on the issue* Now that I have, I don't understand the problem. Amazon doesn't want to pay Apple, so they workaround it. Is buying comics from the Safari browser really that hard? The move gives more money to the content creator instead of the middle Man, and that Middle Man is Apple, so it looks doubly good from where I stand. If anything, blame Apple for the unbelievably unreasonable 30% commission it takes for in-app purchases. 1) Comixology had IAP for iOS for quite a long time before all of that happened plus 2) The change happened just over a night. No warning no nothing, which does not make it very surprising that iOS customers are pissed of (I'm on Android, but I can certainly understand iOS users' frustration) | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 26 2014 18:43 WindWolf wrote: 1) Comixology had IAP for iOS for quite a long time before all of that happened plus 2) The change happened just over a night. No warning no nothing, which does not make it very surprising that iOS customers are pissed of (I'm on Android, but I can certainly understand iOS users' frustration) 1. Yeah, and Amazon realized the 30% commission to Apple was BS, so they changed their model so that it gave them and the content creators more money. If I had the opportunity to not have to pay Apple 30% commission on money I earned, I would also do what I could to avoid paying them any money. 2. Okay, you got me there. Nobody likes it when sudden changes are made overnight without warning. The Twitch rolling out their new VOD program with Audible Magic is a prime example. | ||
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nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 26 2014 18:52 nimdil wrote: Amazon has excellent user experience however he is more then bully toward product providers. The way I see it, Twitch under Amazon may very well be delightful for users/viewers but turn into nightmare for streamers. LiveStreaming is untested so far on Amazon (as far as I know), so we don't know either way about how it will go for streamers. Meanwhile, yeah, Twitch would probably be okay for livestreaming under Google. But we already know how awful the Youtube experience is for Content Creators (outside of the amount and reliability of payments from Youtube) (and several annoyances for users), so it would have been very likely to be similar for Twitch under Google. Google got rid of Youtube's Customer Support Team after taking them over, they probably would have done the same with Twitch. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25344 Posts
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