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On August 03 2013 12:22 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 08:20 Wolfstan wrote:
As dumb as it sounds I think we should let Russia do what it will with it's own laws and culture. Prime Directive and all, Russia as a sovereign state will end up where it needs to end up. The world needs all sorts of different social and economic ways of doing things to find the best way forward for humanity. From the capitalist plutocracy of the US, to the social democracy of France, theocracies of the Middle East, one-party communist China we are all experimenting to find the best way. do you honestly believe this in your heart as a human being. are you saying we should try out oppressing gay people to see if its right?
Please check your privilege, please state your credentials to speak for all humanity.
Their government and their people have stated their desire to oppress gay people as you put it.
They have put laws in place to reflect that.
By your post, what are you trying to say?
Russian government with the support of Russian society are non-human because they "oppress gay people"?
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On August 03 2013 13:38 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 12:22 ComaDose wrote:On August 03 2013 08:20 Wolfstan wrote:
As dumb as it sounds I think we should let Russia do what it will with it's own laws and culture. Prime Directive and all, Russia as a sovereign state will end up where it needs to end up. The world needs all sorts of different social and economic ways of doing things to find the best way forward for humanity. From the capitalist plutocracy of the US, to the social democracy of France, theocracies of the Middle East, one-party communist China we are all experimenting to find the best way. do you honestly believe this in your heart as a human being. are you saying we should try out oppressing gay people to see if its right? Please check your privilege, please state your credentials to speak for all humanity. Their government and their people have stated their desire to oppress gay people as you put it. They have put laws in place to reflect that. By your post, what are you trying to say? Russian government with the support of society are non-human any more?
wat
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On August 03 2013 13:39 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 13:38 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On August 03 2013 12:22 ComaDose wrote:On August 03 2013 08:20 Wolfstan wrote:
As dumb as it sounds I think we should let Russia do what it will with it's own laws and culture. Prime Directive and all, Russia as a sovereign state will end up where it needs to end up. The world needs all sorts of different social and economic ways of doing things to find the best way forward for humanity. From the capitalist plutocracy of the US, to the social democracy of France, theocracies of the Middle East, one-party communist China we are all experimenting to find the best way. do you honestly believe this in your heart as a human being. are you saying we should try out oppressing gay people to see if its right? Please check your privilege, please state your credentials to speak for all humanity. Their government and their people have stated their desire to oppress gay people as you put it. They have put laws in place to reflect that. By your post, what are you trying to say? Russian government with the support of society are non-human any more? wat
Yes, who made you responsible to speak for all human beings?
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Northern Ireland25771 Posts
On August 03 2013 13:41 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 13:39 ComaDose wrote:On August 03 2013 13:38 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On August 03 2013 12:22 ComaDose wrote:On August 03 2013 08:20 Wolfstan wrote:
As dumb as it sounds I think we should let Russia do what it will with it's own laws and culture. Prime Directive and all, Russia as a sovereign state will end up where it needs to end up. The world needs all sorts of different social and economic ways of doing things to find the best way forward for humanity. From the capitalist plutocracy of the US, to the social democracy of France, theocracies of the Middle East, one-party communist China we are all experimenting to find the best way. do you honestly believe this in your heart as a human being. are you saying we should try out oppressing gay people to see if its right? Please check your privilege, please state your credentials to speak for all humanity. Their government and their people have stated their desire to oppress gay people as you put it. They have put laws in place to reflect that. By your post, what are you trying to say? Russian government with the support of society are non-human any more? wat Yes, who made you responsible to speak for all human beings?
To quote myself from what, 4 posts back?
'I'm not looking to trample on Russian sovereignty, we're discussing the merit of awarding such a prestigious event, in essence a propaganda tool to that country. Same with the Qatar 2022 World Cup which is also a farce.
Should the Olympics be entirely apolitical and just about sport? Have these events become too bloated, too self-important, or should they be more active in political affairs?'
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On August 03 2013 13:44 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 13:41 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On August 03 2013 13:39 ComaDose wrote:On August 03 2013 13:38 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On August 03 2013 12:22 ComaDose wrote:On August 03 2013 08:20 Wolfstan wrote:
As dumb as it sounds I think we should let Russia do what it will with it's own laws and culture. Prime Directive and all, Russia as a sovereign state will end up where it needs to end up. The world needs all sorts of different social and economic ways of doing things to find the best way forward for humanity. From the capitalist plutocracy of the US, to the social democracy of France, theocracies of the Middle East, one-party communist China we are all experimenting to find the best way. do you honestly believe this in your heart as a human being. are you saying we should try out oppressing gay people to see if its right? Please check your privilege, please state your credentials to speak for all humanity. Their government and their people have stated their desire to oppress gay people as you put it. They have put laws in place to reflect that. By your post, what are you trying to say? Russian government with the support of society are non-human any more? wat Yes, who made you responsible to speak for all human beings? To quote myself from what, 4 posts back? 'I'm not looking to trample on Russian sovereignty, we're discussing the merit of awarding such a prestigious event, in essence a propaganda tool to that country. Same with the Qatar 2022 World Cup which is also a farce. Should the Olympics be entirely apolitical and just about sport? Have these events become too bloated, too self-important, or should they be more active in political affairs?'
Not talking to you, Wombat
Please respect that.
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i was just wondering why you supported government subsidized homophobia
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On August 03 2013 13:46 ComaDose wrote:
i was just wondering why you supported government subsidized homophobia
Your wording was not a question. It was a declaration of your power over humanity.
Now.
Credentials please.
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On August 03 2013 13:38 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 12:22 ComaDose wrote:On August 03 2013 08:20 Wolfstan wrote:
As dumb as it sounds I think we should let Russia do what it will with it's own laws and culture. Prime Directive and all, Russia as a sovereign state will end up where it needs to end up. The world needs all sorts of different social and economic ways of doing things to find the best way forward for humanity. From the capitalist plutocracy of the US, to the social democracy of France, theocracies of the Middle East, one-party communist China we are all experimenting to find the best way. do you honestly believe this in your heart as a human being. are you saying we should try out oppressing gay people to see if its right? Please check your privilege, please state your credentials to speak for all humanity. Their government and their people have stated their desire to oppress gay people as you put it. They have put laws in place to reflect that. By your post, what are you trying to say? Russian government with the support of Russian society are non-human because they "oppress gay people"?
I don't think that's what "check your privilege" means...
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Northern Ireland25771 Posts
They're interesting avenues of discussion, but no more relevant here than in the LGBT thread.
I mean if people want to neglect the Olympics/IOC role, what they feel it is, what they feel it should be then by all means but it makes this thread somewhat redundant.
Carry on
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On August 03 2013 13:49 HunterX11 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 13:38 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On August 03 2013 12:22 ComaDose wrote:On August 03 2013 08:20 Wolfstan wrote:
As dumb as it sounds I think we should let Russia do what it will with it's own laws and culture. Prime Directive and all, Russia as a sovereign state will end up where it needs to end up. The world needs all sorts of different social and economic ways of doing things to find the best way forward for humanity. From the capitalist plutocracy of the US, to the social democracy of France, theocracies of the Middle East, one-party communist China we are all experimenting to find the best way. do you honestly believe this in your heart as a human being. are you saying we should try out oppressing gay people to see if its right? Please check your privilege, please state your credentials to speak for all humanity. Their government and their people have stated their desire to oppress gay people as you put it. They have put laws in place to reflect that. By your post, what are you trying to say? Russian government with the support of Russian society are non-human because they "oppress gay people"? I don't think that's what "check your privilege" means...
i don't think that's what "check your privilege" means
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The solution is simple.
Go. Play sport. Win medal. Go home with medal. Celebrate. Then go to pride parade.
Really. Sexual preference has no business at the olympic games, so I don't know why people have their knickers in a knot. If it does somehow, PLEASE explain to me how being straight or gay helps you run/ski/skate faster or better than your competitor.
Do I think it wrong that Russia has such a law? Yes.
Do I give a fuck that the games are affected by it? No. Because the athletes attending aren't there to draw attention to their sexual preference! They are there for a difference reason entirely! If an athlete wants to break the law and make themselves into a political activist because of their preference, so be it.
It's another country. Abide by their laws. Don't plan to abide by the countries laws, then be prepared to pay the consequences. It would be no different than a Dutchman trying to justify to a New York cop how buying a street corner hooker should be Ok because it is OK in his native country to hire prostitutes. DIFFERENT COUNTRY. DIFFERENT LAWS.
Boycotting is not an option. At this level of competition, if there were 100 speed skaters, and 50 boycotted - the other 50 would thank them for not competing and for the easier competition and the win. It doesn't matter about perception. If you spent 10 years working up to the point of qualifying to get into the olympics, you damn well aren't going to care about one of your competitors not showing up because they wanted to boycott.
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On August 03 2013 13:52 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 13:49 HunterX11 wrote:On August 03 2013 13:38 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On August 03 2013 12:22 ComaDose wrote:On August 03 2013 08:20 Wolfstan wrote:
As dumb as it sounds I think we should let Russia do what it will with it's own laws and culture. Prime Directive and all, Russia as a sovereign state will end up where it needs to end up. The world needs all sorts of different social and economic ways of doing things to find the best way forward for humanity. From the capitalist plutocracy of the US, to the social democracy of France, theocracies of the Middle East, one-party communist China we are all experimenting to find the best way. do you honestly believe this in your heart as a human being. are you saying we should try out oppressing gay people to see if its right? Please check your privilege, please state your credentials to speak for all humanity. Their government and their people have stated their desire to oppress gay people as you put it. They have put laws in place to reflect that. By your post, what are you trying to say? Russian government with the support of Russian society are non-human because they "oppress gay people"? I don't think that's what "check your privilege" means... i don't think that's what "check your privilege" means
Please, don't play games with us.
It is disrespectful of someone of such high standing.
I have met many powerful people in my life, and when they speak they do speak for their people.
Their will is the will of their people.
Again, credentials, please.
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Russian Federation16 Posts
You, guys, defending homosexuals despite you not homosexuals. its just new trend to cry "freedom,democracy" without detecting real reasons of happenings. Just trash talk about not important things and try to look sympathetic to homosexuals. Look at your past generations, they was create your countries and wealth, and they support homosexuals ? Not, learn something by them.
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Northern Ireland25771 Posts
Yeah going back those Greeks who carried out the Olympics really hated gays right?
Not my problem, believe what you want Rosie.
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On August 03 2013 14:04 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 13:52 ComaDose wrote:On August 03 2013 13:49 HunterX11 wrote:On August 03 2013 13:38 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On August 03 2013 12:22 ComaDose wrote:On August 03 2013 08:20 Wolfstan wrote:
As dumb as it sounds I think we should let Russia do what it will with it's own laws and culture. Prime Directive and all, Russia as a sovereign state will end up where it needs to end up. The world needs all sorts of different social and economic ways of doing things to find the best way forward for humanity. From the capitalist plutocracy of the US, to the social democracy of France, theocracies of the Middle East, one-party communist China we are all experimenting to find the best way. do you honestly believe this in your heart as a human being. are you saying we should try out oppressing gay people to see if its right? Please check your privilege, please state your credentials to speak for all humanity. Their government and their people have stated their desire to oppress gay people as you put it. They have put laws in place to reflect that. By your post, what are you trying to say? Russian government with the support of Russian society are non-human because they "oppress gay people"? I don't think that's what "check your privilege" means... i don't think that's what "check your privilege" means Please, don't play games with us. It is disrespectful of someone of such high standing. I have met many powerful people in my life, and when they speak they do speak for their people. Their will is the will of their people. Again, credentials, please.
Would you think slavery was okay if the majority of people were in favour of it?
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On August 03 2013 14:20 Rosie wrote:
You, guys, defending homosexuals despite you not homosexuals. its just new trend to cry "freedom,democracy" without detecting real reasons of happenings. Just trash talk about not important things and try to look sympathetic to homosexuals. Look at your past generations, they was create your countries and wealth, and they support homosexuals ? Not, learn something by them.
Yes, and while we're at it, let's go back to when black people and women had no rights, too. It's always a good idea to look to the past concerning social issues.
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On August 03 2013 14:20 Rosie wrote:
You, guys, defending homosexuals despite you not homosexuals. its just new trend to cry "freedom,democracy" without detecting real reasons of happenings. Just trash talk about not important things and try to look sympathetic to homosexuals. Look at your past generations, they was create your countries and wealth, and they support homosexuals ? Not, learn something by them. K i'll listen to my past generation and not heed the words of a dam godless commie.
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On August 03 2013 14:04 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 13:52 ComaDose wrote:On August 03 2013 13:49 HunterX11 wrote:On August 03 2013 13:38 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On August 03 2013 12:22 ComaDose wrote:On August 03 2013 08:20 Wolfstan wrote:
As dumb as it sounds I think we should let Russia do what it will with it's own laws and culture. Prime Directive and all, Russia as a sovereign state will end up where it needs to end up. The world needs all sorts of different social and economic ways of doing things to find the best way forward for humanity. From the capitalist plutocracy of the US, to the social democracy of France, theocracies of the Middle East, one-party communist China we are all experimenting to find the best way. do you honestly believe this in your heart as a human being. are you saying we should try out oppressing gay people to see if its right? Please check your privilege, please state your credentials to speak for all humanity. Their government and their people have stated their desire to oppress gay people as you put it. They have put laws in place to reflect that. By your post, what are you trying to say? Russian government with the support of Russian society are non-human because they "oppress gay people"? I don't think that's what "check your privilege" means... i don't think that's what "check your privilege" means Please, don't play games with us. It is disrespectful of someone of such high standing. I have met many powerful people in my life, and when they speak they do speak for their people. Their will is the will of their people. Again, credentials, please.
We're all human beings there's credentials.
People who are not only wrong but willfully wrong in a way destructive to others shouldn't get a free pass just because most of them think it's okay.
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Some of the best Olympic moments were made by those that chose to compete despite the country hosting having extreme prejudice against them. The best example is that of Jessie Owens' golds despite the Nazi's belief in racial superiority. Suppose he chose to boycott the event instead or tried to actively protest against Nazism and got arrested in Berlin, then I doubt we consider him to be one of the greatest Olympians. His act of winning has much more impact in my opinion.
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On August 03 2013 15:37 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 14:04 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On August 03 2013 13:52 ComaDose wrote:On August 03 2013 13:49 HunterX11 wrote:On August 03 2013 13:38 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On August 03 2013 12:22 ComaDose wrote:On August 03 2013 08:20 Wolfstan wrote:
As dumb as it sounds I think we should let Russia do what it will with it's own laws and culture. Prime Directive and all, Russia as a sovereign state will end up where it needs to end up. The world needs all sorts of different social and economic ways of doing things to find the best way forward for humanity. From the capitalist plutocracy of the US, to the social democracy of France, theocracies of the Middle East, one-party communist China we are all experimenting to find the best way. do you honestly believe this in your heart as a human being. are you saying we should try out oppressing gay people to see if its right? Please check your privilege, please state your credentials to speak for all humanity. Their government and their people have stated their desire to oppress gay people as you put it. They have put laws in place to reflect that. By your post, what are you trying to say? Russian government with the support of Russian society are non-human because they "oppress gay people"? I don't think that's what "check your privilege" means... i don't think that's what "check your privilege" means Please, don't play games with us. It is disrespectful of someone of such high standing. I have met many powerful people in my life, and when they speak they do speak for their people. Their will is the will of their people. Again, credentials, please. We're all human beings there's credentials. People who are not only wrong but willfully wrong in a way destructive to others shouldn't get a free pass just because most of them think it's okay.
Credentials of my government giving you permission to speak on Singapore's behalf, please.
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