EPTIt seems like the kind of thing that should require two thirds of the vote given how big a deal it is for scotland.
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layabout
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It seems like the kind of thing that should require two thirds of the vote given how big a deal it is for scotland. | ||
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Nyxisto
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Sub40APM
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SCOTS ARE ETHNICALLY CLEANSING THE ENGLISH! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2745565/Savage-racism-turning-Scotland-no-zone-English.html | ||
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Eishi_Ki
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Holy moly It's time! | ||
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jello_biafra
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Only 12 days to go now, feels weird that it's finally almost actually here. | ||
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Agathon
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And in the same time, in the EU/Brexit topics, the same guys, English of course, write the complete opposite about 60 millions vs 450 millions. Funny. | ||
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Aim Here
Scotland672 Posts
On September 07 2014 10:20 Agathon wrote: What suprises me the most in the Scotland's independance is the English reactions and their will to keep Scotland in UK because "It's more safe", "It's more economically profitable", "being alone is ridiculus in this world" or "5 millions opposed to 60 millions, no chance Scotland will mean anything". And in the same time, in the EU/Brexit topics, the same guys, English of course, write the complete opposite about 60 millions vs 450 millions. Funny. Funnier than that. A lot of noise has been made by unionists complaining that Scots won't automatically or easily get European Union membership upon independence (despite all major political parties in Scotland being pro-EU, and the heads of the EU bureaucracy being in favour - the main stumbling block is likely to be the Spanish government, because of the Basque/Catalan thing). The joke is that if the Conservatives win the next election, they have promised a UK referendum in 2017 on whether the UK remains part of the EU and current polling suggests that vote is already about 50-50. There's a pretty good chance that the only way Scotland could be part of the EU in 2018 is if they vote for independence now. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6642 Posts
On September 07 2014 10:20 Agathon wrote: What suprises me the most in the Scotland's independance is the English reactions and their will to keep Scotland in UK because "It's more safe", "It's more economically profitable", "being alone is ridiculus in this world" or "5 millions opposed to 60 millions, no chance Scotland will mean anything". And in the same time, in the EU/Brexit topics, the same guys, English of course, write the complete opposite about 60 millions vs 450 millions. Funny. The British government supports staying in the EU, the "English" that you speak of don't represent the whole country or the government. On September 07 2014 20:27 Aim Here wrote: Funnier than that. A lot of noise has been made by unionists complaining that Scots won't automatically or easily get European Union membership upon independence (despite all major political parties in Scotland being pro-EU, and the heads of the EU bureaucracy being in favour - the main stumbling block is likely to be the Spanish government, because of the Basque/Catalan thing). The joke is that if the Conservatives win the next election, they have promised a UK referendum in 2017 on whether the UK remains part of the EU and current polling suggests that vote is already about 50-50. There's a pretty good chance that the only way Scotland could be part of the EU in 2018 is if they vote for independence now. There was also the President of the European Commission saying that it would be difficult for Scotland to join the EU, not just unionists in the UK. Also even if we do join the EU as a new member that comes with conditions like joining the Schengen area and Euro which we're unlikely to be able to opt out of this time, that means passport control at the English/Scottish border and purposefully screwing with our finances if we want to keep the pound (which would be pointless without a currency union anyway) | ||
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Aim Here
Scotland672 Posts
On September 08 2014 00:52 jello_biafra wrote: There was also the President of the European Commission saying that it would be difficult for Scotland to join the EU, not just unionists in the UK. Actually he didn't. At all. Welcome to the world of being suckered by bullshit political propaganda. Next time you need to laugh at the stupid nonsense people in <some faroff country> fall for, remember this moment! The truth is quite the reverse. Juncker made one statement referring, in general, to new memberships of the EU and this was loudly taken up all over the press as referring to Scotland. He later clarified that he wasn't talking about Scotland at all, and there were reports that he was likely to be sympathetic to Scotland's membership application, and that in fact Scotland would be a special case because the EU structures were already in place. Of course, the corrections and subsequent spin didn't get such blanket media coverage, which is why you only got the false story, and not the more muted corrections. Also even if we do join the EU as a new member that comes with conditions like joining the Schengen area and Euro which we're unlikely to be able to opt out of this time, that means passport control at the English/Scottish border and purposefully screwing with our finances if we want to keep the pound (which would be pointless without a currency union anyway) Again, that'll be the special case kicking in. In a sane world, Scotland and the rest of the UK would have something similar to the situation between the UK and the Republic of Ireland right now, where there's common movement between them but not between the rest of the Schengen countries. Passport control in Northumbria is just another silly scare story. As for screwing with the currencies, if Westminister plays that game too hard, there is the option of refusing to acknowledge our liability for our share of the national debt. There is a limit to how hard they can screw with the currencies | ||
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hypercube
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On September 08 2014 00:52 jello_biafra wrote: The British government supports staying in the EU, the "English" that you speak of don't represent the whole country or the government. How is that relevant? The Conservatives already promised a referendum on the EU and Labour will too unless they have a huge lead in the polls before the election. If Scotland stays in the UK they'll have to go along with the result. If 70% of Scotland votes for staying in the EU and 55% of England votes for leaving they'll still be out. | ||
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Scorch
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Sub40APM
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On September 08 2014 17:11 Scorch wrote: If Scotland becomes independent, the rest of the UK will be left with a clear anti-EU majority. Will the promised referendum on leaving the EU even take place if it's clear the answer would be yes? It seems to me that promising a referendum was just a political stunt in defense against UKIP, but London doesn't actually want to leave the EU. It would be funny if London voted to leave England. | ||
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radiatoren
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On September 08 2014 17:11 Scorch wrote: If Scotland becomes independent, the rest of the UK will be left with a clear anti-EU majority. Will the promised referendum on leaving the EU even take place if it's clear the answer would be yes? It seems to me that promising a referendum was just a political stunt in defense against UKIP, but London doesn't actually want to leave the EU. The group with the british conservatives has gotten a massive improvement in influence in EP after the election and it wouldn't surprise me if the EU-vote has been used as leverage. UKIPs group, on the other hand, has been kicked to the curb by the center coalition that holds the power in EU. So they have already gained something on that stunt. I think the EU-membership vote is serious, but since none of the other countries in EU wants UK to leave and Labour, Lib. Dem, Greens and most Tories would like UK to stay in EU, it will be quite a difficult line to walk for sir Cameron. | ||
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Nick Clegg has attacked the home secretary for "outrageous" claims that his party put children at risk by blocking new data monitoring powers. The Lib Dem leader told LBC radio that he had demanded an apology from Theresa May, and that her conference speech was a "low point in coalition relations". source I am a Labour voter, and i do dislike the Conservative party in general, but i will admit they have done some good things in this government (some of the healthcare reforms as a result of the Staffordshire inquiry for example). Theresa May, however, is pure poison. She's a disgusting human being hellbent on taking away our human rights, our privacy and any semblance of the values our country holds dear, and she is willing to use the lowest common denominator to do this. Time and time again she has played the terrorist card to take away civil liberties, and now she's gone all "SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN" to take away our right to privacy on the internet. What a fucking cunt. | ||
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