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sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-27 20:57:39
September 27 2017 20:56 GMT
#7801
US imposes a huge tariff on Bombardier. I think this is a wake-up call for all Brexit fans. "Global Britain" is just a dream in my opinion.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/bombardier-planes-import-tariff-us-beoing-dispute-220-percent-northern-ireland-jobs-at-risk-a7969261.html
MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-28 18:00:20
September 28 2017 18:00 GMT
#7802
Bombardier is Canadian but holds EU hq in NI. Boeing relies on both the Canadian and UK markets. idk man if i could wager a guess you don't really understand the situation or are not very good at expressing yourself at least.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43981 Posts
September 28 2017 18:25 GMT
#7803
I think you missed his point. It's not about Bombadier specifically, it's about the idea that all the countries of the world will come together and participate in free and fair trade agreements for the benefit of all participants and that the UK can be a part of that. The Bombadier situation, with colossal tariffs being imposed, shows that the US certainly isn't interested in any of that.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9845 Posts
September 28 2017 21:19 GMT
#7804
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/sep/28/uks-top-supplier-of-supermarket-chicken-fiddles-food-safety-dates

The largest supplier of chicken to UK supermarkets has been tampering with food safety records in moves that could dupe consumers into buying meat past its use-by date.

An investigation by the Guardian and ITV News recorded undercover footage of workers altering the slaughter date of poultry being processed at a 2 Sisters Food Group plant. The group produces a third of all poultry products eaten in the UK and supplies top grocers including Tesco, Sainsbury’s, Marks & Spencer, Aldi and Lidl.

When informed of the evidence, all five retailers responded to say they would launch immediate investigations.

The discovery comes just four years after the 2013 horsemeat scandal, which has resulted in prison sentences for those convicted of a conspiracy to pass off cheaper horsemeat as beef.

Experts said the practice of changing “kill dates” could artificially stretch the commercial life of meat products by triggering the food processor to print incorrect use-by dates on supermarket packaging.

Workers at the company confirmed they had been asked to switch these labels on other occasions. It is illegal to place incorrect use-by dates on food, which are set for safety reasons and differ from “best before” dates.


This sort of thing isn't surprising, but it is sickening really.
I wish things like this would be made public more often to ensure that people aren't able to escape the knowledge of what it is they are eating.
Its easy to close your eyes to it and carry on eating this filthy shit, but something really should be done about practices involving mass produced food products, even if it means some food prices have to rise.
Sure, you can get a whole chicken for 2 quid in Aldi, but its probably already past its sell by date.
RIP Meatloaf <3
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-28 21:44:37
September 28 2017 21:38 GMT
#7805
On September 29 2017 03:00 MyTHicaL wrote:
Bombardier is Canadian but holds EU hq in NI. Boeing relies on both the Canadian and UK markets. idk man if i could wager a guess you don't really understand the situation or are not very good at expressing yourself at least.


No, I just can't be bothered to spend more time to explain something to pro-Brexit guys when I know it's not worth my time.
Basically, what I meant was that there are 4,000 employees in NI. Pro-Brexit guys told us that Brexit is nice, there will be trade deals and all this cool stuff. Suddenly, the US imposes 220% tariff, and this could hurt mentioned British jobs in NI. I understand it's a Canadian company but surely it contradicts what pro-Brexit people were telling us.

Also, what KwarK said.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11834 Posts
September 28 2017 23:17 GMT
#7806
On September 29 2017 06:19 Jockmcplop wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/sep/28/uks-top-supplier-of-supermarket-chicken-fiddles-food-safety-dates

Show nested quote +
The largest supplier of chicken to UK supermarkets has been tampering with food safety records in moves that could dupe consumers into buying meat past its use-by date.

An investigation by the Guardian and ITV News recorded undercover footage of workers altering the slaughter date of poultry being processed at a 2 Sisters Food Group plant. The group produces a third of all poultry products eaten in the UK and supplies top grocers including Tesco, Sainsbury’s, Marks & Spencer, Aldi and Lidl.

When informed of the evidence, all five retailers responded to say they would launch immediate investigations.

The discovery comes just four years after the 2013 horsemeat scandal, which has resulted in prison sentences for those convicted of a conspiracy to pass off cheaper horsemeat as beef.

Experts said the practice of changing “kill dates” could artificially stretch the commercial life of meat products by triggering the food processor to print incorrect use-by dates on supermarket packaging.

Workers at the company confirmed they had been asked to switch these labels on other occasions. It is illegal to place incorrect use-by dates on food, which are set for safety reasons and differ from “best before” dates.


This sort of thing isn't surprising, but it is sickening really.
I wish things like this would be made public more often to ensure that people aren't able to escape the knowledge of what it is they are eating.
Its easy to close your eyes to it and carry on eating this filthy shit, but something really should be done about practices involving mass produced food products, even if it means some food prices have to rise.
Sure, you can get a whole chicken for 2 quid in Aldi, but its probably already past its sell by date.


It is also not that hard to avoid, but it turns out that consumers want that kind of thing. They don't care where their chicken comes from, as long as there is a lot of it and it is cheap. They will probably complain now, but afterwards they will still keep on buying the cheapest chicken they see in the supermarket regardless of any other attributes.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
September 28 2017 23:29 GMT
#7807
On September 29 2017 06:38 sc-darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2017 03:00 MyTHicaL wrote:
Bombardier is Canadian but holds EU hq in NI. Boeing relies on both the Canadian and UK markets. idk man if i could wager a guess you don't really understand the situation or are not very good at expressing yourself at least.


No, I just can't be bothered to spend more time to explain something to pro-Brexit guys when I know it's not worth my time.
Basically, what I meant was that there are 4,000 employees in NI. Pro-Brexit guys told us that Brexit is nice, there will be trade deals and all this cool stuff. Suddenly, the US imposes 220% tariff, and this could hurt mentioned British jobs in NI. I understand it's a Canadian company but surely it contradicts what pro-Brexit people were telling us.

Also, what KwarK said.

remember when bush imposed steel import tariffs in 2002, despite the WTO ruling against him? and how he backed down, in no small part due to the EU's threat to impose counter tariffs of their own. now that trump's trying the same, i wonder if being part of a powerful trading bloc might not be such a bad thing after all. . .
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
September 30 2017 08:38 GMT
#7808
Boris Johnson caught on camera reciting Kipling in Myanmar temple
Foreign secretary’s impromptu recital of colonial-era poem was so embarrassing the UK ambassador was forced to stop him

The foreign secretary has been accused of “incredible insensitivity” after it emerged he recited part of a colonial-era Rudyard Kipling poem in front of local dignitaries while on an official visit to Myanmar in January.

Boris Johnson was inside the Shwedagon Pagoda, the most sacred Buddhist site in the capital Yangon, when he started uttering the opening verse to The Road to Mandalay, including the line: “The temple bells they say/ Come you back you English soldier.”

Kipling’s poem captures the nostalgia of a retired serviceman looking back on his colonial service and a Burmese girl he kissed. Britain colonised Myanmar from 1824 to 1948 and fought three wars in the 19th century, suppressing widespread resistance.

Johnson’s impromptu recital was so embarrassing that the UK ambassador to Myanmar, Andrew Patrick, was forced to stop him. The incident was captured by a film crew for Channel 4 and will form part of a documentary to be broadcast on Sunday about the fitness of the MP for Uxbridge and South Ruislip to become prime minister.

The previously unbroadcast footage shows the diplomat managing to halt Johnson before he could get to the line about a “Bloomin’ idol made o’ mud/ Wot they called the Great Gawd Budd” – a reference to the Buddha.

Boris Johnson wouldn't be qualified for being the Foreign Secretary's secretary.
He reminds me of Oliver Hardy though.

Source
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22353 Posts
September 30 2017 10:32 GMT
#7809
I don't think there was ever a feeling that Boris Johnson was selected as Foreign Secretary for his qualifications.

Imo it was to get him out from constantly criticizing from the sidelines.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
September 30 2017 12:04 GMT
#7810
I knew Boris Johnson was dumb but not that dumb...


In his interview with the Sun, Mr Johnson called for four conditions for Brexit, which were then described by the paper as his "four red lines":
Transition period must be a maximum of two years
UK must refuse to accept new EU rules during that period
No payments for access to the single market after the end of the transition period
UK must not agree to shadow EU rules to gain access to the single market


This is just unrealistic if you want a nice deal with the EU.
MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
September 30 2017 13:12 GMT
#7811
His pompous Myanmar blunder is worse, imo. You have to understand that this was an interview for the Sun. He couldn't say anything realistic simply because his audience is in no way realistic.
Dapper_Cad
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom964 Posts
October 01 2017 10:57 GMT
#7812
On September 30 2017 17:38 Artisreal wrote:
Show nested quote +
Boris Johnson caught on camera reciting Kipling in Myanmar temple
Foreign secretary’s impromptu recital of colonial-era poem was so embarrassing the UK ambassador was forced to stop him

The foreign secretary has been accused of “incredible insensitivity” after it emerged he recited part of a colonial-era Rudyard Kipling poem in front of local dignitaries while on an official visit to Myanmar in January.

Boris Johnson was inside the Shwedagon Pagoda, the most sacred Buddhist site in the capital Yangon, when he started uttering the opening verse to The Road to Mandalay, including the line: “The temple bells they say/ Come you back you English soldier.”

Kipling’s poem captures the nostalgia of a retired serviceman looking back on his colonial service and a Burmese girl he kissed. Britain colonised Myanmar from 1824 to 1948 and fought three wars in the 19th century, suppressing widespread resistance.

Johnson’s impromptu recital was so embarrassing that the UK ambassador to Myanmar, Andrew Patrick, was forced to stop him. The incident was captured by a film crew for Channel 4 and will form part of a documentary to be broadcast on Sunday about the fitness of the MP for Uxbridge and South Ruislip to become prime minister.

The previously unbroadcast footage shows the diplomat managing to halt Johnson before he could get to the line about a “Bloomin’ idol made o’ mud/ Wot they called the Great Gawd Budd” – a reference to the Buddha.

Boris Johnson wouldn't be qualified for being the Foreign Secretary's secretary.
He reminds me of Oliver Hardy though.

Source


If you haven't clicked the link to watch the video of it I truly recommend it. It's not like "The thick of it", it IS "The thick of it".

As for Kipling... I haven't read a lot of his stuff, and he was certainly a product of his era - in the reporting of the gaffe it's almost unanimously referred to as "the colonial era" a framing that presupposes the questionable notion that colonisation has ended rather than simply shifting form - but my impression is that he was an excellent and intelligent writer.

Johnson, and more than a few others in the Conservative party at the moment, play on a cartoonish remembering of Britain's past and Kipling wrote about its pitfalls as well as its "glories". Take this scene from a movie based on a Kipling short story, "The man who would be king".

+ Show Spoiler +


Much like Boris, Daniel (Sean Connery) ends up getting lost in his own fiction. Though Boris will probably end up being a peer where as Daniel's fate is more soldierly as (movie spoiler) + Show Spoiler +
he ends up dying in Afghanistan.


But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
October 01 2017 21:31 GMT
#7813
I've only known conservative government here. If Labour wins tomorrow, what does it change for basic tax payers? More tax?
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
October 01 2017 22:18 GMT
#7814
On October 02 2017 06:31 sc-darkness wrote:
I've only known conservative government here. If Labour wins tomorrow, what does it change for basic tax payers? More tax?


Wins what?
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
October 01 2017 22:31 GMT
#7815
On October 02 2017 06:31 sc-darkness wrote:
I've only known conservative government here. If Labour wins tomorrow, what does it change for basic tax payers? More tax?

Depends on how much you earn. If you believe their manifesto, then no. If you believe the Conservatives, then yes. The reality is probably somewhere between.
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
October 01 2017 22:32 GMT
#7816
On October 02 2017 07:18 Deleuze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2017 06:31 sc-darkness wrote:
I've only known conservative government here. If Labour wins tomorrow, what does it change for basic tax payers? More tax?


Wins what?


General election. It's the only thing that matters, right?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43981 Posts
October 02 2017 00:47 GMT
#7817
On October 02 2017 07:32 sc-darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2017 07:18 Deleuze wrote:
On October 02 2017 06:31 sc-darkness wrote:
I've only known conservative government here. If Labour wins tomorrow, what does it change for basic tax payers? More tax?


Wins what?


General election. It's the only thing that matters, right?

There isn't a general election tomorrow.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11834 Posts
October 02 2017 09:27 GMT
#7818
I think he was talking about a hypothetical:

"If there were a general election tomorrow, and labour won, what would happen?"

Kinda weird hypothetical, but still. At least shows an interest in politics.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
October 02 2017 09:50 GMT
#7819
we would all be chanting jeremy corbyn, dear leader
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-02 16:30:01
October 02 2017 16:29 GMT
#7820
On October 02 2017 18:27 Simberto wrote:
I think he was talking about a hypothetical:

"If there were a general election tomorrow, and labour won, what would happen?"

Kinda weird hypothetical, but still. At least shows an interest in politics.


Why would it be weird? If Merkel rules your country for 10+ years, wouldn't you be curious how it would be if another party rules in Germany? How does it affect tax payers and so on?
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