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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
On October 22 2014 11:07 Hug-A-Hydralisk wrote: But I highly doubt DPRK will ever provoke total war, just a missile here and there. And some shots and fatalities across the DMZ here and there. And some bombings of South Korean airliners here and there. Also maybe new discoveries of additional underground tunnels leading to Seoul here and there. | ||
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Hug-A-Hydralisk
United States174 Posts
On October 22 2014 11:24 riotjune wrote: And some shots and fatalities across the DMZ here and there. And some bombings of South Korean airliners here and there. Also maybe new discoveries of additional underground tunnels leading to Seoul here and there. The North Korean Leader is a terrible one. He has completely cut off his country from any communication with Russia and China. Their economy is worth less than Bill Gates and day after day they're running that country into the ground. Sooner or later the chickens will come home to roost. | ||
micronesia
United States24813 Posts
On October 22 2014 12:30 Hug-A-Hydralisk wrote: Sooner or later the chickens will come home to roost. This is the most scary prospect. Everyone in this thread talks about how NK won't do anything too extreme because the retribution will be severe. What about when the NK leadership has nothing to lose? | ||
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Hug-A-Hydralisk
United States174 Posts
On October 22 2014 12:32 micronesia wrote: This is the most scary prospect. Everyone in this thread talks about how NK won't do anything too extreme because the retribution will be severe. What about when the NK leadership has nothing to lose? In that case, the south will just fortify the border and it'll look a lot like seeing 1,000 marines against 400 siege tanks in siege mode. The NK army is going to get slaughtered if they went on a full scale assault. | ||
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micronesia
United States24813 Posts
On October 22 2014 12:36 Hug-A-Hydralisk wrote: In that case, the south will just fortify the border and it'll look a lot like seeing 1,000 marines against 400 siege tanks in siege mode. The NK army is going to get slaughtered if they went on a full scale assault. It's not an invasion of a neighbor that I was referring to... just firing all the crap they have aimed already. | ||
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Hug-A-Hydralisk
United States174 Posts
On October 22 2014 12:37 micronesia wrote: It's not an invasion of a neighbor that I was referring to... just firing all the crap they have aimed already. That's possible but it also gives the USA and the South the OK to light them up. I don't think they'll ever do that, by the looks of it they were probably hoping for the South to provoke them first but after 50 some years they never got what they hoped for. | ||
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KwarK
United States44450 Posts
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-Kaiser-
Canada932 Posts
On October 22 2014 12:37 micronesia wrote: It's not an invasion of a neighbor that I was referring to... just firing all the crap they have aimed already. I don't really have any specific information to support this, but I don't think it's as though NK has a legion of missiles and mortars all primed on SK and ready to pull the trigger. SK and the west have the drone/satellite intel on NK to know if a full-scale deployment of all of their weapons was occurring before it happens. The worst case likely scenario would be that they fire what they *do* have, a few hundred to a few thousand South Koreans are killed by artillery, and North Korea has been obliterated before the sun comes up the next day. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On October 22 2014 12:47 Hug-A-Hydralisk wrote: That's possible but it also gives the USA and the South the OK to light them up. I don't think they'll ever do that, by the looks of it they were probably hoping for the South to provoke them first but after 50 some years they never got what they hoped for. Lol, I don't even. Where can I go to have a serious discussion on the internet? | ||
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AutoEngineer
United States97 Posts
On October 21 2014 07:55 Cheerio wrote: That's some high school level of economical research you got there. Or am I being too generous? Instead of posting insults, maybe contribute something intelligent to this discussion? Or am I asking too much? On October 22 2014 10:25 Taf the Ghost wrote: Given what China has put up with to get Oil out of Africa, they'd have been all over a supply like that. Actually, frankly, if NK supplies were really that huge, China would have rolled the Kim regime a long time ago. Why would have China risked this when all they wanted was a buffer state? The Americans would have rolled all over them if this ever happened. The Americans would have nuked the hell out of the Chinese if this happened during the Korean War. China didn't want to get nuked, especially when about 10-15% of its population died in WW2 and a significant percentage died in the wars that followed. And plus why isn't China invading Middle Eastern countries and even Russia? They did not have the military strength and capacity to achieve this and it's too late now as large modern wars are won by technological advancement, not really man power. On October 22 2014 12:30 Hug-A-Hydralisk wrote: The North Korean Leader is a terrible one. He has completely cut off his country from any communication with Russia and China. Their economy is worth less than Bill Gates and day after day they're running that country into the ground. Sooner or later the chickens will come home to roost. Their economy is worth less than Bill Gates? That's a funny one. GDP is not even a reliable or accurate measure of economic activity. GDP figures are all fake and fabricated, any modern economist will tell you this. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On October 22 2014 16:09 AutoEngineer wrote: Instead of posting insults, maybe contribute something intelligent to this discussion? Or am I asking too much? Why would have China risked this when all they wanted was a buffer state? The Americans would have rolled all over them if this ever happened. The Americans would have nuked the hell out of the Chinese if this happened during the Korean War. China didn't want to get nuked, especially when about 10-15% of its population died in WW2 and a significant percentage died in the wars that followed. And plus why isn't China invading Middle Eastern countries and even Russia? They did not have the military strength and capacity to achieve this and it's too late now as large modern wars are won by technological advancement, not really man power. Their economy is worth less than Bill Gates? That's a funny one. GDP is not even a reliable or accurate measure of economic activity. GDP figures are all fake and fabricated, any modern economist will tell you this. Mate, General MacArthur wanted to use nuclear weapons against China, but President Truman brought him down to Earth. Also, the allied forces got chased all the way back to Seoul by the Chinese. Their intervention sealed the existence of the North Korean communist state, which otherwise had been conquered by the allied forces. China and Russia are allied. Why would China attack them? There's no reason. And while Russia doesn't have wartime military production like say, the USA or old USSR did, you can expect a war between the two neighbors to be more one-sided than the last time Russia fought an Asian power in Operation August Storm. GDP is not an accurate measure for communist systems, since in communism, tons of goods/services don't even have a monetary value you can tag onto them since it's a highly redistributive system and even external trade is fairly limited. With that said, North Korea is incredibly impoverished and has tons of very severe social problems. It correlates with their very poor economy even by communist standards. | ||
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DrCooper
Germany261 Posts
On October 22 2014 12:36 Hug-A-Hydralisk wrote: In that case, the south will just fortify the border and it'll look a lot like seeing 1,000 marines against 400 siege tanks in siege mode. The NK army is going to get slaughtered if they went on a full scale assault. Sir, I think you're playing a few too many videogames. | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On October 22 2014 18:14 SilverSkyLark wrote: What happens if North Korea launches a missile and the US retaliates? Will China back up North Korea? Unambiguous and unprovoked act of war against the US will result in all out war between the North and US, South and NATO. Hundreds of thousands of people will die, North will be conquered and China will strongly protest something. I geuss. Why are these hypotheticals even that interesting? | ||
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BallinWitStalin
1177 Posts
Nukes. There's no "hundreds of thousands" of civilian casualties, or "marines getting rolled by siege tanks". There's the whole korean peninsula turned into a cindercrisp. Pretty much end of story. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On October 22 2014 22:45 BallinWitStalin wrote: Why are you people even armchair discussing hypothetical invasions and "military strategy" for the invasion/war with the north, they have nuclear weapons. Nukes. There's no "hundreds of thousands" of civilian casualties, or "marines getting rolled by siege tanks". There's the whole korean peninsula turned into a cindercrisp. Pretty much end of story. Not quite so simple actually. They haven't done anything but blow up nukes in controlled environments underground. On top of that their rocket technology is still decades behind the times. I believe the North's ability to offensively use a nuclear weapon is some ways out. | ||
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Serejai
6007 Posts
Should we nuke them now to deter the aliens from coming? | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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Meavis
Netherlands1300 Posts
On October 23 2014 00:08 heliusx wrote: Not quite so simple actually. They haven't done anything but blow up nukes in controlled environments underground. On top of that their rocket technology is still decades behind the times. I believe the North's ability to offensively use a nuclear weapon is some ways out. the thing is they don't need a rocket when Seoul is in artillery range, having Seoul nuked is not something you want to risk. | ||
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miky_ardiente
Mexico387 Posts
On October 23 2014 17:08 Meavis wrote: the thing is they don't need a rocket when Seoul is in artillery range, having Seoul nuked is not something you want to risk. so that leaves what options ? agreeing to NK demands everytime he bitches ? what if they eventually develop the required tec to nuke seoul ? | ||
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