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On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:47 Gorsameth wrote:
There are to many steps in the chain to blindly assume the DNC had full knowledge.
lets assume they used the lawfirm as a go between to pay Fusion GPS for opponent research. Still nothing fishy here since this is an American company doing this kind of research (assuming their wiki page is correct).
Did the DNC then know that Fusion GPS hired Steele? Unlikely without direct evidence imo. An investigation firm isn't going to tell you which PI's they hire to do the actual work.
Even if the DNC knew Steele was involved, were they told he contacted Kremlin associates and payed them for info? Again, unlikely without direct evidence.
I can see the DNC lying about paying Fusion GPS. But them knowing the info came from payed Kremlin associates? That's a big stretch.
And in no way, shape or form is this equivalent to a Russian lawyer contacting you about handing over information from the Russian Government and a KGB agent being at that meeting. I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons. And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted. DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin. Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? Or how it may have been used for that matter?
On October 30 2017 06:14 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:47 Gorsameth wrote:
There are to many steps in the chain to blindly assume the DNC had full knowledge.
lets assume they used the lawfirm as a go between to pay Fusion GPS for opponent research. Still nothing fishy here since this is an American company doing this kind of research (assuming their wiki page is correct).
Did the DNC then know that Fusion GPS hired Steele? Unlikely without direct evidence imo. An investigation firm isn't going to tell you which PI's they hire to do the actual work.
Even if the DNC knew Steele was involved, were they told he contacted Kremlin associates and payed them for info? Again, unlikely without direct evidence.
I can see the DNC lying about paying Fusion GPS. But them knowing the info came from payed Kremlin associates? That's a big stretch.
And in no way, shape or form is this equivalent to a Russian lawyer contacting you about handing over information from the Russian Government and a KGB agent being at that meeting. I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons. And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted. DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin. Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? You're talking about investigating the Clinton campaign, not the dossier's claims. We've already been investigating the dossier's claims for a while now.
^ this
We talked about Trump being potentially compromised half a year ago, you didn't care then. Why do you care now?
If we're worried about the information on Trump why are we investigating Clinton's payment to Fusion and not Trump himself to find out what is true?
Didn't Steele talk to the FBI about the file? Shouldn't we be looking there for validity info instead of Clinton who merely (potentially) received some info and had nothing to do with how it was found or how legit it is?
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On October 30 2017 05:41 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:On October 30 2017 04:54 Danglars wrote:On October 30 2017 03:27 Slaughter wrote:On October 30 2017 03:02 Danglars wrote:On October 30 2017 01:45 Slaughter wrote:
The more Trump tweets the more I kind of wish societies still exiled people, not sure who would take Trump and his shitty family though. Your gripe is really with the people that sent him to office despite his tweeting habits. Half the country already wants to exile the other half from what I can tell. Not really. Unlike the caricature of the left that the right peddles most people don't think everyone who voted for Trump is deplorable like Trump himself is You should really visit California. You also won't personally call them deplorable (though I cop comments like that all the time), but you want to exile their Presidential choice. Right. I almost got robbed by the rural people of California, about two hours north of San Fransisco, and I can tell 100% the person trying to rob me was a farm boy republican. Kept talking about he had no where to go, and he would kill some one if he has to in order to live. I acted like I had a gun on me, and he backed the fuck up, but really I didn't and this guy was easily two times my size, and had a buddy circling me. I've seen more hate, and violence out of the right first hand that it's scary the rabbit hole the current executive branch is going through. And if you remember, only 24% of the country voted for Trump. Not half. The story of when ShoCkeyy met a California redneck, while poignant, does very little about the real stereotype libs that live in San Francisco, SoCal, and all up and down the coast. Roughly half the people that showed up to vote voted Trump. They did so knowing his tweeting behavior up to this point. But keep trying to recruit people that didn't vote to your side.
What's my side? I don't have a side. I just want the pieces of shits out of politics whether it be democrat or republican. Obviously not all libs are great either, but I definitely think that California has it's fair share of deplorable's on the republican side, just like you think it has for the democrats...
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On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:47 Gorsameth wrote:
There are to many steps in the chain to blindly assume the DNC had full knowledge.
lets assume they used the lawfirm as a go between to pay Fusion GPS for opponent research. Still nothing fishy here since this is an American company doing this kind of research (assuming their wiki page is correct).
Did the DNC then know that Fusion GPS hired Steele? Unlikely without direct evidence imo. An investigation firm isn't going to tell you which PI's they hire to do the actual work.
Even if the DNC knew Steele was involved, were they told he contacted Kremlin associates and payed them for info? Again, unlikely without direct evidence.
I can see the DNC lying about paying Fusion GPS. But them knowing the info came from payed Kremlin associates? That's a big stretch.
And in no way, shape or form is this equivalent to a Russian lawyer contacting you about handing over information from the Russian Government and a KGB agent being at that meeting. I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons. And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted. DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin. Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? Or how it may have been used for that matter?
You only pretend to care for cynical whataboutism purposes. If you actually cared you would read any of the links I or others have posted that provide a wealth of information about the Steele dossier. You never even tried to make your whataboutism analogy work beyond THIS IS THAT
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On October 30 2017 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:47 Gorsameth wrote:
There are to many steps in the chain to blindly assume the DNC had full knowledge.
lets assume they used the lawfirm as a go between to pay Fusion GPS for opponent research. Still nothing fishy here since this is an American company doing this kind of research (assuming their wiki page is correct).
Did the DNC then know that Fusion GPS hired Steele? Unlikely without direct evidence imo. An investigation firm isn't going to tell you which PI's they hire to do the actual work.
Even if the DNC knew Steele was involved, were they told he contacted Kremlin associates and payed them for info? Again, unlikely without direct evidence.
I can see the DNC lying about paying Fusion GPS. But them knowing the info came from payed Kremlin associates? That's a big stretch.
And in no way, shape or form is this equivalent to a Russian lawyer contacting you about handing over information from the Russian Government and a KGB agent being at that meeting. I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons. And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted. DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin. Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? Or how it may have been used for that matter? Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 06:14 ChristianS wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:47 Gorsameth wrote:
There are to many steps in the chain to blindly assume the DNC had full knowledge.
lets assume they used the lawfirm as a go between to pay Fusion GPS for opponent research. Still nothing fishy here since this is an American company doing this kind of research (assuming their wiki page is correct).
Did the DNC then know that Fusion GPS hired Steele? Unlikely without direct evidence imo. An investigation firm isn't going to tell you which PI's they hire to do the actual work.
Even if the DNC knew Steele was involved, were they told he contacted Kremlin associates and payed them for info? Again, unlikely without direct evidence.
I can see the DNC lying about paying Fusion GPS. But them knowing the info came from payed Kremlin associates? That's a big stretch.
And in no way, shape or form is this equivalent to a Russian lawyer contacting you about handing over information from the Russian Government and a KGB agent being at that meeting. I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons. And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted. DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin. Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? You're talking about investigating the Clinton campaign, not the dossier's claims. We've already been investigating the dossier's claims for a while now. ^ this We talked about Trump being potentially compromised half a year ago, you didn't care then. Why do you care now? If we're worried about the information on Trump why are we investigating Clinton's payment to Fusion and not Trump himself to find out what is true?
Investigating whether the dossier is true necessarily includes an investigation into its origins. That's not even debatable. You just don't like the implications for partisan reasons.
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On October 30 2017 06:21 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:47 Gorsameth wrote:
There are to many steps in the chain to blindly assume the DNC had full knowledge.
lets assume they used the lawfirm as a go between to pay Fusion GPS for opponent research. Still nothing fishy here since this is an American company doing this kind of research (assuming their wiki page is correct).
Did the DNC then know that Fusion GPS hired Steele? Unlikely without direct evidence imo. An investigation firm isn't going to tell you which PI's they hire to do the actual work.
Even if the DNC knew Steele was involved, were they told he contacted Kremlin associates and payed them for info? Again, unlikely without direct evidence.
I can see the DNC lying about paying Fusion GPS. But them knowing the info came from payed Kremlin associates? That's a big stretch.
And in no way, shape or form is this equivalent to a Russian lawyer contacting you about handing over information from the Russian Government and a KGB agent being at that meeting. I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons. And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted. DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin. Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? Or how it may have been used for that matter? On October 30 2017 06:14 ChristianS wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:47 Gorsameth wrote:
There are to many steps in the chain to blindly assume the DNC had full knowledge.
lets assume they used the lawfirm as a go between to pay Fusion GPS for opponent research. Still nothing fishy here since this is an American company doing this kind of research (assuming their wiki page is correct).
Did the DNC then know that Fusion GPS hired Steele? Unlikely without direct evidence imo. An investigation firm isn't going to tell you which PI's they hire to do the actual work.
Even if the DNC knew Steele was involved, were they told he contacted Kremlin associates and payed them for info? Again, unlikely without direct evidence.
I can see the DNC lying about paying Fusion GPS. But them knowing the info came from payed Kremlin associates? That's a big stretch.
And in no way, shape or form is this equivalent to a Russian lawyer contacting you about handing over information from the Russian Government and a KGB agent being at that meeting. I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons. And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted. DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin. Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? You're talking about investigating the Clinton campaign, not the dossier's claims. We've already been investigating the dossier's claims for a while now. ^ this We talked about Trump being potentially compromised half a year ago, you didn't care then. Why do you care now? If we're worried about the information on Trump why are we investigating Clinton's payment to Fusion and not Trump himself to find out what is true? Investigating whether the dossier is true necessarily includes an investigation into its origins. That's not even debatable. You just don't like the implications for partisan reasons.
Its origin is Steele. Not Clinton. What Clinton knew when paying the lawfirm has no bearing on its truthfulness. esp since this payment happened before any information was acquired.
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I look forward to Monday, when an arrest of a Trump associate is made in connection with Russia (it's called fucking treason), and Fox News will be breaking the major stories of Hillary's impeachment.
The Orwellian dissonance could not be any thicker. It couldn't.
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On October 30 2017 06:23 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 06:21 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:47 Gorsameth wrote:
There are to many steps in the chain to blindly assume the DNC had full knowledge.
lets assume they used the lawfirm as a go between to pay Fusion GPS for opponent research. Still nothing fishy here since this is an American company doing this kind of research (assuming their wiki page is correct).
Did the DNC then know that Fusion GPS hired Steele? Unlikely without direct evidence imo. An investigation firm isn't going to tell you which PI's they hire to do the actual work.
Even if the DNC knew Steele was involved, were they told he contacted Kremlin associates and payed them for info? Again, unlikely without direct evidence.
I can see the DNC lying about paying Fusion GPS. But them knowing the info came from payed Kremlin associates? That's a big stretch.
And in no way, shape or form is this equivalent to a Russian lawyer contacting you about handing over information from the Russian Government and a KGB agent being at that meeting. I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons. And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted. DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin. Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? Or how it may have been used for that matter? On October 30 2017 06:14 ChristianS wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:47 Gorsameth wrote:
There are to many steps in the chain to blindly assume the DNC had full knowledge.
lets assume they used the lawfirm as a go between to pay Fusion GPS for opponent research. Still nothing fishy here since this is an American company doing this kind of research (assuming their wiki page is correct).
Did the DNC then know that Fusion GPS hired Steele? Unlikely without direct evidence imo. An investigation firm isn't going to tell you which PI's they hire to do the actual work.
Even if the DNC knew Steele was involved, were they told he contacted Kremlin associates and payed them for info? Again, unlikely without direct evidence.
I can see the DNC lying about paying Fusion GPS. But them knowing the info came from payed Kremlin associates? That's a big stretch.
And in no way, shape or form is this equivalent to a Russian lawyer contacting you about handing over information from the Russian Government and a KGB agent being at that meeting. I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons. And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted. DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin. Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? You're talking about investigating the Clinton campaign, not the dossier's claims. We've already been investigating the dossier's claims for a while now. ^ this We talked about Trump being potentially compromised half a year ago, you didn't care then. Why do you care now? If we're worried about the information on Trump why are we investigating Clinton's payment to Fusion and not Trump himself to find out what is true? Investigating whether the dossier is true necessarily includes an investigation into its origins. That's not even debatable. You just don't like the implications for partisan reasons. Its origin is Steele. Not Clinton. What Clinton knew when paying the lawfirm has no bearing on its truthfulness. esp since this payment happened before any information was acquired.
And what if Steele used Clinton money to get info from the Russian sources that he cites? If Clinton knew about it, that's the type of collusion that y'all wanted to hang Junior for.
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On October 30 2017 06:27 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 06:23 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:21 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:47 Gorsameth wrote:
There are to many steps in the chain to blindly assume the DNC had full knowledge.
lets assume they used the lawfirm as a go between to pay Fusion GPS for opponent research. Still nothing fishy here since this is an American company doing this kind of research (assuming their wiki page is correct).
Did the DNC then know that Fusion GPS hired Steele? Unlikely without direct evidence imo. An investigation firm isn't going to tell you which PI's they hire to do the actual work.
Even if the DNC knew Steele was involved, were they told he contacted Kremlin associates and payed them for info? Again, unlikely without direct evidence.
I can see the DNC lying about paying Fusion GPS. But them knowing the info came from payed Kremlin associates? That's a big stretch.
And in no way, shape or form is this equivalent to a Russian lawyer contacting you about handing over information from the Russian Government and a KGB agent being at that meeting. I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons. And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted. DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin. Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? Or how it may have been used for that matter? On October 30 2017 06:14 ChristianS wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:
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I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons.
And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted. DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin. Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? You're talking about investigating the Clinton campaign, not the dossier's claims. We've already been investigating the dossier's claims for a while now. ^ this We talked about Trump being potentially compromised half a year ago, you didn't care then. Why do you care now? If we're worried about the information on Trump why are we investigating Clinton's payment to Fusion and not Trump himself to find out what is true? Investigating whether the dossier is true necessarily includes an investigation into its origins. That's not even debatable. You just don't like the implications for partisan reasons. Its origin is Steele. Not Clinton. What Clinton knew when paying the lawfirm has no bearing on its truthfulness. esp since this payment happened before any information was acquired. And what if Steele used Clinton money to get info from the Russian sources that he cites? If Clinton knew about it, that's the type of collusion that y'all wanted to hang Junior for.
Clinton payed before Steele ever got involved.
Junior got directly contacted by Russia to get information to help Trump win.
How the fuck are they equivalent in any way, shape or form.
And thanks for saying this has nothing to do with the truth about the content file but all about further investigating Hillary.
You should work on that.
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On October 30 2017 06:14 Leporello wrote:
Jesus, this board is really just too tolerant for its own good. I'll happily take a ban if you guys just could just please put a nix on every other page devolving into some bullshit Fox News talking point. For the greater good.
Christopher Steele isn't Russian. He is British, and has actually spent his life working against Russian interests. You think a lifetime of service might mean something.
Fusion GPS is a research firm with employees around the world.
None of these facts have any bearing on the actual investigation into Trump and Russia. The dossier didn't fire James Comey over "the Rrussiar thing". The dossier didn't praise Putin's approval ratings and insult NATO. Trump's actions and words are responsible for any investigation into Trump.
It is not illegal, by any stretch, for the DNC to hire an MI6 spy to do research on their political opponent, who just happens to display a raging-boner for Putin every time he is on television.
There isn't even a logic to this. Just insinuation -- "they lied". Sort of like how before the election, we were never told what was specifically illegal about Hillary's e-mails. Just "her e-mails". It's called bullshit, and it's very apparent.
I mean, I think you're right that it's pure smokescreen. My biggest reason would be the fact that none of the people calling for Hillary to be investigated for this have given any sign of wanting to see Trump Jr. indicted. And there's no sane definition of collusion which would include this but exclude Trump Jr.
And xDaunt in particular is still probably playing his manipulation games. He's giving a few more specifics this time, although he still hasn't even clarified what crime he thinks the Clintons might have committed. But let's give him a chance to make a specific case, and if he can't give anything more than innuendo, it can be dismissed just like last time.
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On October 30 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 06:27 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:23 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:21 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:
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I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons.
And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted. DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin. Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? Or how it may have been used for that matter? On October 30 2017 06:14 ChristianS wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:
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DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin.
Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? You're talking about investigating the Clinton campaign, not the dossier's claims. We've already been investigating the dossier's claims for a while now. ^ this We talked about Trump being potentially compromised half a year ago, you didn't care then. Why do you care now? If we're worried about the information on Trump why are we investigating Clinton's payment to Fusion and not Trump himself to find out what is true? Investigating whether the dossier is true necessarily includes an investigation into its origins. That's not even debatable. You just don't like the implications for partisan reasons. Its origin is Steele. Not Clinton. What Clinton knew when paying the lawfirm has no bearing on its truthfulness. esp since this payment happened before any information was acquired. And what if Steele used Clinton money to get info from the Russian sources that he cites? If Clinton knew about it, that's the type of collusion that y'all wanted to hang Junior for. Clinton payed before Steele ever got involved. Junior got directly contacted by Russia to get information to help Trump win. How the fuck are they equivalent in any way, shape or form. And thanks for saying this has nothing to do with the truth about the content file but all about further investigating Hillary. You should work on that.
What do you mean Clinton paid before Steele got involved? Her money went right to Steele through Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS. We are talking up to $6 million being at issue here. And it is undisputed that both her campaign and Perkins Coie lied about it for a year. How that raises no red flags for you is simply incredible.
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On October 30 2017 06:34 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:27 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:23 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:21 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:
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DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin.
Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? Or how it may have been used for that matter? On October 30 2017 06:14 ChristianS wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:
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Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? You're talking about investigating the Clinton campaign, not the dossier's claims. We've already been investigating the dossier's claims for a while now. ^ this We talked about Trump being potentially compromised half a year ago, you didn't care then. Why do you care now? If we're worried about the information on Trump why are we investigating Clinton's payment to Fusion and not Trump himself to find out what is true? Investigating whether the dossier is true necessarily includes an investigation into its origins. That's not even debatable. You just don't like the implications for partisan reasons. Its origin is Steele. Not Clinton. What Clinton knew when paying the lawfirm has no bearing on its truthfulness. esp since this payment happened before any information was acquired. And what if Steele used Clinton money to get info from the Russian sources that he cites? If Clinton knew about it, that's the type of collusion that y'all wanted to hang Junior for. Clinton payed before Steele ever got involved. Junior got directly contacted by Russia to get information to help Trump win. How the fuck are they equivalent in any way, shape or form. And thanks for saying this has nothing to do with the truth about the content file but all about further investigating Hillary. You should work on that. What do you mean Clinton paid before Steele got involved? Her money went right to Steele through Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS. We are talking up to $6 million being at issue here. And it is undisputed that both her campaign and Perkins Coie lied about it for a year. How that raises no red flags for you is simply incredible.
Again, citation needed.
Because that last article you posted was a heaping pile of shit. It doesn't even talk about lies. At best it finger wags using lawyers for confidentiality, which as a lawyer you should know is not lying.
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On October 30 2017 06:34 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:27 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:23 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:21 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:
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DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin.
Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? Or how it may have been used for that matter? On October 30 2017 06:14 ChristianS wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:
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Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? You're talking about investigating the Clinton campaign, not the dossier's claims. We've already been investigating the dossier's claims for a while now. ^ this We talked about Trump being potentially compromised half a year ago, you didn't care then. Why do you care now? If we're worried about the information on Trump why are we investigating Clinton's payment to Fusion and not Trump himself to find out what is true? Investigating whether the dossier is true necessarily includes an investigation into its origins. That's not even debatable. You just don't like the implications for partisan reasons. Its origin is Steele. Not Clinton. What Clinton knew when paying the lawfirm has no bearing on its truthfulness. esp since this payment happened before any information was acquired. And what if Steele used Clinton money to get info from the Russian sources that he cites? If Clinton knew about it, that's the type of collusion that y'all wanted to hang Junior for. Clinton payed before Steele ever got involved. Junior got directly contacted by Russia to get information to help Trump win. How the fuck are they equivalent in any way, shape or form. And thanks for saying this has nothing to do with the truth about the content file but all about further investigating Hillary. You should work on that. What do you mean Clinton paid before Steele got involved? Her money went right to Steele through Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS. We are talking up to $6 million being at issue here. And it is undisputed that both her campaign and Perkins Coie lied about it for a year. How that raises no red flags for you is simply incredible.
Because Clinton payed an American investigation firm for opponent research.
Show me proof she knew her money would be spend paying the Kremlin for information.
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On October 30 2017 06:37 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 06:34 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:27 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:23 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:21 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:
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Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? Or how it may have been used for that matter? On October 30 2017 06:14 ChristianS wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:
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You want another Benghazi.
We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started.
I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? You're talking about investigating the Clinton campaign, not the dossier's claims. We've already been investigating the dossier's claims for a while now. ^ this We talked about Trump being potentially compromised half a year ago, you didn't care then. Why do you care now? If we're worried about the information on Trump why are we investigating Clinton's payment to Fusion and not Trump himself to find out what is true? Investigating whether the dossier is true necessarily includes an investigation into its origins. That's not even debatable. You just don't like the implications for partisan reasons. Its origin is Steele. Not Clinton. What Clinton knew when paying the lawfirm has no bearing on its truthfulness. esp since this payment happened before any information was acquired. And what if Steele used Clinton money to get info from the Russian sources that he cites? If Clinton knew about it, that's the type of collusion that y'all wanted to hang Junior for. Clinton payed before Steele ever got involved. Junior got directly contacted by Russia to get information to help Trump win. How the fuck are they equivalent in any way, shape or form. And thanks for saying this has nothing to do with the truth about the content file but all about further investigating Hillary. You should work on that. What do you mean Clinton paid before Steele got involved? Her money went right to Steele through Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS. We are talking up to $6 million being at issue here. And it is undisputed that both her campaign and Perkins Coie lied about it for a year. How that raises no red flags for you is simply incredible. Again, citation needed. Because that last article you posted was a heaping pile of shit. It doesn't even talk about lies. At best it finger wags using lawyers for confidentiality, which as a lawyer you should know is not lying.
I already cited it by linking to the David French article. I can't help it if you can't read.
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On October 30 2017 06:37 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 06:34 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:27 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:23 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:21 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:
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Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? Or how it may have been used for that matter? On October 30 2017 06:14 ChristianS wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:
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You want another Benghazi.
We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started.
I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? You're talking about investigating the Clinton campaign, not the dossier's claims. We've already been investigating the dossier's claims for a while now. ^ this We talked about Trump being potentially compromised half a year ago, you didn't care then. Why do you care now? If we're worried about the information on Trump why are we investigating Clinton's payment to Fusion and not Trump himself to find out what is true? Investigating whether the dossier is true necessarily includes an investigation into its origins. That's not even debatable. You just don't like the implications for partisan reasons. Its origin is Steele. Not Clinton. What Clinton knew when paying the lawfirm has no bearing on its truthfulness. esp since this payment happened before any information was acquired. And what if Steele used Clinton money to get info from the Russian sources that he cites? If Clinton knew about it, that's the type of collusion that y'all wanted to hang Junior for. Clinton payed before Steele ever got involved. Junior got directly contacted by Russia to get information to help Trump win. How the fuck are they equivalent in any way, shape or form. And thanks for saying this has nothing to do with the truth about the content file but all about further investigating Hillary. You should work on that. What do you mean Clinton paid before Steele got involved? Her money went right to Steele through Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS. We are talking up to $6 million being at issue here. And it is undisputed that both her campaign and Perkins Coie lied about it for a year. How that raises no red flags for you is simply incredible. Because Clinton payed an American investigation firm for opponent research. Show me proof she knew her money would be spend paying the Kremlin for information.
That's the whole point of the need for the investigation. All we know is that she has been caught red-handed lying about her involvement.
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Now that I think about it, then-candidate Trump lied about how he was going to publicly release his federal tax returns. I think that calls for a formal investigation into whether he paid his taxes in a legal manner or not.
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On October 30 2017 06:40 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 06:37 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:34 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:27 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:23 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:21 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:
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You want another Benghazi.
We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started.
I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? Or how it may have been used for that matter? On October 30 2017 06:14 ChristianS wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:
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You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? You're talking about investigating the Clinton campaign, not the dossier's claims. We've already been investigating the dossier's claims for a while now. ^ this We talked about Trump being potentially compromised half a year ago, you didn't care then. Why do you care now? If we're worried about the information on Trump why are we investigating Clinton's payment to Fusion and not Trump himself to find out what is true? Investigating whether the dossier is true necessarily includes an investigation into its origins. That's not even debatable. You just don't like the implications for partisan reasons. Its origin is Steele. Not Clinton. What Clinton knew when paying the lawfirm has no bearing on its truthfulness. esp since this payment happened before any information was acquired. And what if Steele used Clinton money to get info from the Russian sources that he cites? If Clinton knew about it, that's the type of collusion that y'all wanted to hang Junior for. Clinton payed before Steele ever got involved. Junior got directly contacted by Russia to get information to help Trump win. How the fuck are they equivalent in any way, shape or form. And thanks for saying this has nothing to do with the truth about the content file but all about further investigating Hillary. You should work on that. What do you mean Clinton paid before Steele got involved? Her money went right to Steele through Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS. We are talking up to $6 million being at issue here. And it is undisputed that both her campaign and Perkins Coie lied about it for a year. How that raises no red flags for you is simply incredible. Because Clinton payed an American investigation firm for opponent research. Show me proof she knew her money would be spend paying the Kremlin for information. That's the whole point of the need for the investigation. All we know is that she has been caught red-handed lying about her involvement.
No it doesn't. At best you give a fine for not listing the payment. Assuming that was even illegal.
US candidate pays US company for opponent research on other US candidate is not a crime!
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On October 30 2017 06:39 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 06:37 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 30 2017 06:34 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:27 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:23 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:21 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:
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You want another Benghazi.
We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started.
I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? Or how it may have been used for that matter? On October 30 2017 06:14 ChristianS wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:
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You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? You're talking about investigating the Clinton campaign, not the dossier's claims. We've already been investigating the dossier's claims for a while now. ^ this We talked about Trump being potentially compromised half a year ago, you didn't care then. Why do you care now? If we're worried about the information on Trump why are we investigating Clinton's payment to Fusion and not Trump himself to find out what is true? Investigating whether the dossier is true necessarily includes an investigation into its origins. That's not even debatable. You just don't like the implications for partisan reasons. Its origin is Steele. Not Clinton. What Clinton knew when paying the lawfirm has no bearing on its truthfulness. esp since this payment happened before any information was acquired. And what if Steele used Clinton money to get info from the Russian sources that he cites? If Clinton knew about it, that's the type of collusion that y'all wanted to hang Junior for. Clinton payed before Steele ever got involved. Junior got directly contacted by Russia to get information to help Trump win. How the fuck are they equivalent in any way, shape or form. And thanks for saying this has nothing to do with the truth about the content file but all about further investigating Hillary. You should work on that. What do you mean Clinton paid before Steele got involved? Her money went right to Steele through Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS. We are talking up to $6 million being at issue here. And it is undisputed that both her campaign and Perkins Coie lied about it for a year. How that raises no red flags for you is simply incredible. Again, citation needed. Because that last article you posted was a heaping pile of shit. It doesn't even talk about lies. At best it finger wags using lawyers for confidentiality, which as a lawyer you should know is not lying. I already cited it by linking to the David French article. I can't help it if you can't read.
Your "undisputed" claim is something I disputed. You referred me (didn't link, I had to look it up) to French's article, which doesn't address my dispute. In fact, it doesn't say anything more than the WaPo article did, which also didn't address my dispute. I quoted you and said this, you still haven't responded.
You're not doing great at crossing your t's and dotting your i's.
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On October 30 2017 06:39 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 06:37 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 30 2017 06:34 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:27 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:23 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:21 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:
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You want another Benghazi.
We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started.
I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? Or how it may have been used for that matter? On October 30 2017 06:14 ChristianS wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:
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You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? You're talking about investigating the Clinton campaign, not the dossier's claims. We've already been investigating the dossier's claims for a while now. ^ this We talked about Trump being potentially compromised half a year ago, you didn't care then. Why do you care now? If we're worried about the information on Trump why are we investigating Clinton's payment to Fusion and not Trump himself to find out what is true? Investigating whether the dossier is true necessarily includes an investigation into its origins. That's not even debatable. You just don't like the implications for partisan reasons. Its origin is Steele. Not Clinton. What Clinton knew when paying the lawfirm has no bearing on its truthfulness. esp since this payment happened before any information was acquired. And what if Steele used Clinton money to get info from the Russian sources that he cites? If Clinton knew about it, that's the type of collusion that y'all wanted to hang Junior for. Clinton payed before Steele ever got involved. Junior got directly contacted by Russia to get information to help Trump win. How the fuck are they equivalent in any way, shape or form. And thanks for saying this has nothing to do with the truth about the content file but all about further investigating Hillary. You should work on that. What do you mean Clinton paid before Steele got involved? Her money went right to Steele through Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS. We are talking up to $6 million being at issue here. And it is undisputed that both her campaign and Perkins Coie lied about it for a year. How that raises no red flags for you is simply incredible. Again, citation needed. Because that last article you posted was a heaping pile of shit. It doesn't even talk about lies. At best it finger wags using lawyers for confidentiality, which as a lawyer you should know is not lying. I already cited it by linking to the David French article. I can't help it if you can't read.
As I said, the David French article is a heaping pile of shit.
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On October 30 2017 06:44 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 06:39 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:37 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 30 2017 06:34 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:27 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:23 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:21 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:
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You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? Or how it may have been used for that matter? On October 30 2017 06:14 ChristianS wrote:
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You're talking about investigating the Clinton campaign, not the dossier's claims. We've already been investigating the dossier's claims for a while now. ^ this We talked about Trump being potentially compromised half a year ago, you didn't care then. Why do you care now? If we're worried about the information on Trump why are we investigating Clinton's payment to Fusion and not Trump himself to find out what is true? Investigating whether the dossier is true necessarily includes an investigation into its origins. That's not even debatable. You just don't like the implications for partisan reasons. Its origin is Steele. Not Clinton. What Clinton knew when paying the lawfirm has no bearing on its truthfulness. esp since this payment happened before any information was acquired. And what if Steele used Clinton money to get info from the Russian sources that he cites? If Clinton knew about it, that's the type of collusion that y'all wanted to hang Junior for. Clinton payed before Steele ever got involved. Junior got directly contacted by Russia to get information to help Trump win. How the fuck are they equivalent in any way, shape or form. And thanks for saying this has nothing to do with the truth about the content file but all about further investigating Hillary. You should work on that. What do you mean Clinton paid before Steele got involved? Her money went right to Steele through Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS. We are talking up to $6 million being at issue here. And it is undisputed that both her campaign and Perkins Coie lied about it for a year. How that raises no red flags for you is simply incredible. Again, citation needed. Because that last article you posted was a heaping pile of shit. It doesn't even talk about lies. At best it finger wags using lawyers for confidentiality, which as a lawyer you should know is not lying. I already cited it by linking to the David French article. I can't help it if you can't read. Your "undisputed" claim is something I disputed. You referred me (didn't link, I had to look it up) to French's article, which doesn't address my dispute. In fact, it doesn't say anything more than the WaPo article did, which also didn't address my dispute. I quoted you and said this, you still haven't responded. You're not doing great at crossing your t's and dotting your i's.
I cited everything that I claimed. I don't even know what you are disputing. That she lied? That the money went to Steele? Both are proven.
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On October 30 2017 05:01 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 04:51 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On October 30 2017 04:24 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 04:18 ChristianS wrote:On October 30 2017 04:15 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 03:15 Introvert wrote:
Wait, has it been reported how much the DNC (or whoever) spent directly or indirectly on the dossier? Maybe I missed it. I don't think so. The Hillary campaign and DNC sent $12 million combined to the attorney, but I don't think anyone has gotten the bank records from either the attorney, Fusion GPS, or Steele, so we don't know where that $12 million went. I'd expect most of it to be legit, however. What are the non-"legit" possibilities here? Considering what a fuss the right is making, I sincerely hope the Democrats are accused of more than just paying an investigative firm for oppo research? We already know that they failed to report the expenditure on the opposition research and only listed the payments to the attorney as legal services -- i.e. They laundered the funds through the trust account. This wouldn't be laundering.. I don't know of any reporting requirement that would make this mis-categorizing an expense either. Care to elaborate? FEC regs require campaigns to report who they pay money to and why. Sending money to a law firm under the guise of "legal services" when the law firm then pays that money from its trust account to a third party for another purpose is money laundering -- i.e. Hiding the source and payment of the funds from regulatory oversight. This could be strictly accidental. But given that the law firm lied about all of this for a year, I highly doubt it. I don't know how strict the reporting requirements are, but I could totally see classifying an invoice from a law firm as a legal expense. Still not seeing the laundering aspect - no money is dirty in need of cleaning. Nor is paying for oppo research illegal.
By contrast, Russia did illegal things (hacking). We do know that Trump wanted to work with Russia in exchange for dropping sanctions. Directly tying those together hasn't happened yet. This is not that.
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