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AntiSec leaks 1M Apple device UDIDs from FBI - Page 2
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sparkk51
United States137 Posts
lol, this is golden. | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
edit - and does it really matter? It used to be that you could get most of that information out of the phonebook. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9102 Posts
On September 04 2012 22:28 PandaCore wrote: They're used to uniquely identify a device. Also they don't only have the UDIDs, but also the names, zip codes, adresses and what not... I wonder if there's any information on Apples TOS that your information is forwarded to the FBI Pretty sure the government already knows our names, zip codes, addresses, social security numbers, and likely our favorite color/ice cream flavor as well. As someone above mentioned, perhaps it's a big deal because they can track you? I dunno, I'm sure I should care more about my personal liberties, but whatever... where I am is really not that interesting. | ||
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ain
Germany786 Posts
On September 04 2012 22:11 Romitelli wrote: To be fair, they probably have a database on other smartphones too. I didn't say Apple products are the only ones I steered clear of, did I? | ||
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eu.exodus
South Africa1186 Posts
On September 04 2012 22:51 ain wrote: I didn't say Apple products are the only ones I steered clear of, did I? then your post makes no sense. Even if it was only apple product ids leaked, that only means that the US government still has information on other smartphones (which they do btw) so it makes no sense that you are glad you didn't buy an iphone. The point is that this is hard evidence that mobile devices are being tracked. Not the actual leakage of the device info. | ||
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ain
Germany786 Posts
On September 04 2012 23:17 eu.exodus wrote: then your post makes no sense. Even if it was only apple product ids leaked, that only means that the US government still has information on other smartphones (which they do btw) so it makes no sense that you are glad you didn't buy an iphone. The point is that this is hard evidence that mobile devices are being tracked. Not the actual leakage of the device info. Of course it makes sense in the context that Apple products were confirmed to be tracked and had their UDIDs leaked. What about that does not make sense to you? To be clear, I'm rather happy to not have acquired a smartphone, but I'm especially happy that I didn't get a smartphone made by Apple. | ||
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sLiMpoweR
United States430 Posts
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
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funkie
Venezuela9374 Posts
On September 04 2012 22:19 Torte de Lini wrote: What makes UDIDs important? UDID's are Unique Device Identifiers, they are unique to each device made by Apple.. | ||
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Crosswind
United States279 Posts
A better question would be "What can the US government do with this information?" Obviously, they can use it to filter through all the calls that are made every day,and find the ones which came from a device in question. However, it's much tougher to use it to "track" you. The real difference between smartphones and regular phones is whether or not they have an onboard GPS, and whether or not it's active. Generally, phones are continually pinging, trying to look for the nearest cell phone tower and establish a connection. This can help give you a vague (in urban areas, cell towers are spaced about every quarter mile) idea of where a cell phone is, but can hardly be used to track you. Likewise, GPS information is not, I believe, promptable from cell phones. So while the government can listen to your calls, and have a vague idea where you are if your cell phone is on, they can't find you in a city based on it. -Cross | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On September 04 2012 23:36 Pwnographics wrote: Why the fuck does the American government even have this information to begin with? Because as we all know Governments do not at all keep track of ones address, identity and personal information for the purposes of government normally so they do this. More realistically, people who break the law(be it not paying taxes to drug running) don't tend to tell the government where they actually live or how to get in contact with them for obvious reasons. Hence why something like this is done. I don't condone such actions but that's generally the reasoning that's put behind it. I do wonder how many ipads they found named "Kirks Log" or "Datapad" or named after some fanciful anime character. I didn't honestly think about the jokes you could do with the Titanic is syncing. | ||
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Yurie
11710 Posts
On September 05 2012 00:05 Crosswind wrote: The real difference between smartphones and regular phones is whether or not they have an onboard GPS, and whether or not it's active. Generally, phones are continually pinging, trying to look for the nearest cell phone tower and establish a connection. This can help give you a vague (in urban areas, cell towers are spaced about every quarter mile) idea of where a cell phone is, but can hardly be used to track you. The larger part they can track is movement between places. The above can easily be used to see if you move from the western part of a city and the eastern part. Even if they don't know exact building in all cases. It can easily track if you travel from New York to Boston or similar. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
Antisec has leaked 1,000,001 of these Apple Unique Device Identifiers online from a file an FBI agent had on his Desktop. Obviously this is a blatant disregard for privacy by the FBI, FBI was the one who released them to the public? I see. Irony! Blatant, disregarding irony. | ||
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Crosswind
United States279 Posts
On September 05 2012 00:13 Yurie wrote: The larger part they can track is movement between places. The above can easily be used to see if you move from the western part of a city and the eastern part. Even if they don't know exact building in all cases. It can easily track if you travel from New York to Boston or similar. Definitely. What I don't think is being appreciated is that there are already a half-dozen different ways to do this. Do you use a subway pass? They know where you got on/got off. Do you drive through tolls? They know when you were at each toll. Take out money at an ATM? Use a credit card anywhere? Broad "Where was this guy?" data was already plenty available, if the government wanted to look at it. The problem is not that this data exists - it's that there's SO MUCH OF IT that it's incredibly difficult to do anything useful with it. If you _start out_ knowing which cell phone you want to follow, or driver's license, or license plate, or commuter rail card, you can track somebody (and have been able to for a decade). But phone device IDs don't do much to allow the FBI, or anybody else, to invade your privacy in any new and exciting way. -Cross (In the spirit of full disclosure, I'm a DARPA researcher who works on Wide Area Surveillance - thus my familiarity and interest with these types of problems) | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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J.E.G.
United States389 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On September 04 2012 21:56 JustPassingBy wrote: 3136 '“Administrator”的 iPad' 2202 '“Administrator”的 iPhone' am I the only one seeing chinese character in that list? O.o oh, and this is the same as "Administrato's Ipad" or "Administrator's Iphone" btw. Yes, the Chinese character you see means possession | ||
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
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WTFZerg
United States704 Posts
On September 04 2012 23:36 Pwnographics wrote: Why the fuck does the American government even have this information to begin with? Presumably because the government asked and Apple complied. Normally there would be, you know, a warrant and such required, but Apple just handed the shit over. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
http://allthingsd.com/20120904/fbi-says-antisec-hackers-lied-about-list-of-iphone-id-numbers/ | ||
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