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On August 07 2019 04:04 Wombat_NI wrote: What are the restrictions pertaining to mental health anyway? I presume they vary a lot state to state?
Depends if you know it. When this was at parliament here(Cze) psychiatrists union warned them, that if they make them legally obliged to tell authorities that a person is being treated to check if they have guns and take them, they won't seek the treatment and it's better to have a person in care with guns than not treated person at all.
Just a side note of how this thing is complicated.
(IIRC some states require direct access to your medical records, some require medical check, some require nothing at all, but again, I'm not US citizen, I just checked their state laws few years ago when I was curious about it)
It’s a blanket term that covers so many things, but yes it’s complicated as you say.
From vaguely remembered historic reading people with depression tend to be less violent against others, although at a higher risk of harming themselves obviously, anxiety disorders tend to be less violent, those in some state of psychosis are way more violent.
Plus those with mental health issues tend to be higher per capita recipients of violence than those without, those stats tend to be bumped by vulnerable people especially the homeless having a big crossover with mental illness.
On August 08 2019 08:56 FFGenerations wrote: i have no fucking idea why someone hasn't killed this trump piece of shit yet it baffles me
not that im condoning this but im honestly genuinely surprised there hasnt been an assassination attempt on trump yet.
Yes, here in the "If you're seeing this topic then another mass shooting happened and people disagree on what to do," we openly wonder why someone hasn't tried to assassinate Trump. Depressing shit, boys.
On August 08 2019 11:53 JimmiC wrote: And yet again you are "concerned"....
Considering your countries history with assassination attempts, guns, and the political scene being as hate filled and violent as it has ever been. It wouldnt be that shocking if an attempt was made, Im sure the secret service is on its highest alert at all times. It would be interesting to know if there is more credible threats now then in the past.
He definitely seemed just as concerned when Trump thought it was funny to joke about shooting immigrants at the border. I definitely remember this.
On August 08 2019 11:53 JimmiC wrote: And yet again you are "concerned"....
Considering your countries history with assassination attempts, guns, and the political scene being as hate filled and violent as it has ever been. It wouldnt be that shocking if an attempt was made, Im sure the secret service is on its highest alert at all times. It would be interesting to know if there is more credible threats now then in the past.
Honestly, with all the accusations that the other ones are showing fake concern, and you're the one showing the real concern, I start to wonder if it's an act done in full realization or just the sort of lies you tell yourself.
Please also pardon a citizen being concerned about his rights and the ongoing mass shootings in a mass shootings thread. As I was just mentioning to ShambalaWar, this is understandably an emotional issue for many, and some reactions and reactions-to-reactions are reasonable. I include in this my base disgust at open bewilderment about the lack of very public assassination attempts on Trump (he says he doesn't condone it), and your scoffing at my concern now and in the past.
I am truly grateful to our police and a grandmother for recently preventing an alleged plan for a mass shooting in Texas. I am grateful to the Secret Service for their vigilance in protecting Trump, as with past presidents. I'm sure it "wouldnt be that shocking if an attempt was made" and you think it'd be "interesting to know if there is more credible threats now then in the past," but I am glad that the mods and I agree on the fact that open bewilderment at Trump's assassination is beyond the pale.
On August 08 2019 11:53 JimmiC wrote: And yet again you are "concerned"....
Considering your countries history with assassination attempts, guns, and the political scene being as hate filled and violent as it has ever been. It wouldnt be that shocking if an attempt was made, Im sure the secret service is on its highest alert at all times. It would be interesting to know if there is more credible threats now then in the past.
Honestly, with all the accusations that the other ones are showing fake concern, and you're the one showing the real concern, I start to wonder if it's an act done in full realization or just the sort of lies you tell yourself.
Please also pardon a citizen being concerned about his rights and the ongoing mass shootings in a mass shootings thread. As I was just mentioning to ShambalaWar, this is understandably an emotional issue for many, and some reactions and reactions-to-reactions are reasonable. I include in this my base disgust at open bewilderment about the lack of very public assassination attempts on Trump (he says he doesn't condone it), and your scoffing at my concern now and in the past.
I am truly grateful to our police and a grandmother for recently preventing an alleged plan for a mass shooting in Texas. I am grateful to the Secret Service for their vigilance in protecting Trump, as with past presidents. I'm sure it "wouldnt be that shocking if an attempt was made" and you think it'd be "interesting to know if there is more credible threats now then in the past," but I am glad that the mods and I agree on the fact that open bewilderment at Trump's assassination is beyond the pale.
Impressive double down, the only issue is constantly show yourself to be disingenuous over and over, over the years no one can take your "moral compass" posts seriously. Not to mention you named yourself after a villain from a story and than either "cos play" like him on here, or actually want to be him and emulate him. Or perhaps just a wild coincidence, It is quite strange.
Character descriptions for "Danglars" from the count of Monte Cristo. + Show Spoiler +
Danglars A greedy and ruthless man, Danglars cares only for his personal fortune. He has no qualms about sacrificing others for the sake of his own welfare, and he goes through life shrewdly calculating ways to turn other people’s misfortunes to his own advantage. Danglars’s betrayal of Dantès starts him on the path to utter disregard for other people’s lives, but this betrayal is not the cruelest of his acts. Danglars abandons his wife and attempts to sell his own daughter, Eugénie, into a loveless and miserable marriage for three million francs.
The only guy being inappropriate was the guy who got banned for it, no one was else was hoping or suggesting for Trump to get assassinated. That is your own straw man.
You've let me know quite frequently your opinion of me. I'm aware you think my concern about ongoing political, sociological, and cultural issues is feigned. You've said as much several times in various manners.
But I'm wondering just what you think a gamer tag discussion figures into the whole bit. You in here for a little spat? Am I supposed to call JimmiC a stupid name or something in response? I hardly know. Now why don't you cool off your engines and go have a lovely time with your family and relax. Contrary to your repetition that you think I'm not genuinely concerned about these issues, I am, and you do yourself a great disservice raging in this manner at the target of your dislike. Mockery and personal insults do not suit you.
On August 08 2019 08:56 FFGenerations wrote: i have no fucking idea why someone hasn't killed this trump piece of shit yet it baffles me
not that im condoning this but im honestly genuinely surprised there hasnt been an assassination attempt on trump yet.
Why so? US is not Czech Republic, where you try to assassinate the president and then you give interview to newspapares You would be killed really fast and probably don't harm him anyway.
(that was a true story, some person aimed and shot an airsoft handgun and was successfull, then gave interview to the news and the next day went to work like nothing happened, welcome to the country where nobody takes anything seriously imagine aiming a gun at the US president and walking away )
Anyway, I find this discussion in a topic about shooting rather uncivil(cannot find better word)
On August 08 2019 08:56 FFGenerations wrote: i have no fucking idea why someone hasn't killed this trump piece of shit yet it baffles me
not that im condoning this but im honestly genuinely surprised there hasnt been an assassination attempt on trump yet.
Why so? US is not Czech Republic, where you try to assassinate the president and then you give interview to newspapares You would be killed really fast and probably don't harm him anyway.
(that was a true story, some person aimed and shot an airsoft handgun and was successfull, then gave interview to the news and the next day went to work like nothing happened, welcome to the country where nobody takes anything seriously imagine aiming a gun at the US president and walking away )
Anyway, I find this discussion in a topic about shooting rather uncivil(cannot find better word)
well for starters the US already has a history of assassination attempts and successful assassinations. now i wasnt alive for the assassination of jfk for example, but id assume that the targets of these attempts were also far less provocative than trump. its one thing to criticise the work of a "bad" president, but when the character of the president is one of the biggest problems then its a whole new level of serious. and as far as assassination attempts go, i wasnt necessarily saying that i wasnt surprised that there hasnt been one in the US only. dislike, even hatred, of trump is easily found throughout the rest of the world, so much in fact that i dont remember a support for a US president being this polarised ever. so basically what im saying is if there was ever to be an assassination attempt against someone in the modern day, it is far more likely that trump would be the target considering the amount of damage he does to the entire world not just as president but as a leader and role model. like i said, i wouldnt condone such acts but its very easy to understand the motive if it were to happen.
This would be funny if it werent so sad. Just think about it, Trump managed to create an atmosphere of literal terror in 2 years, something Bin Laden couldnt manage in a decade.
hard to say this is entirely trumps fault. americas problem with mass shootings has been around long before trump became president. his inaction on gun policy and the general rubbish he spouts out of his mouth etc definitely makes him partially responsible though
NYT changed headlines under pressure from people who just want Trump to be the bad guy.
Trump always condemns violence from mass shootings. The media frames his rhetoric as incendiary and some far right extremists (whom Trump has disavowed) try to misappropriate his words to advance their goals.
The original headline would have been a small but good step towards healing the nation.
Imagine what you would be reading every day if Trump was a darling of the MSM like Obama.
Trump can’t have his cake and eat it too. He can stoke the flames of discord as he habitually does, or he can play at conciliatory statesman, he can’t do both.
NYT changed headlines under pressure from people who just want Trump to be the bad guy.
Trump always condemns violence from mass shootings. The media frames his rhetoric as incendiary and some far right extremists (whom Trump has disavowed) try to misappropriate his words to advance their goals.
The original headline would have been a small but good step towards healing the nation.
Imagine what you would be reading every day if Trump was a darling of the MSM like Obama.
I mean, you can't on one hand claim you could shoot someone in broad daylight and not lose support, or joke about "only in the Panhandle" could you get away with shooting immigrants, or do any of the things he constantly does at his rallies to "suggest" that having your guns handy will be an awful nice idea, and then "oh btw I disavow that guy who basically said what I said, word for word, I have literally no idea where he got the idea to do what he did".
He's not disavowing anything, because that steps into actions and not just words. You're the president. Anything you want to do, you can tell people to make it happen. Words are cheap. How many times have Republicans said all the right things following a mass shooting, only for nothing to change and the cycle to repeat? Words don't do anything.
NYT changed headlines under pressure from people who just want Trump to be the bad guy.
Trump always condemns violence from mass shootings. The media frames his rhetoric as incendiary and some far right extremists (whom Trump has disavowed) try to misappropriate his words to advance their goals.
The original headline would have been a small but good step towards healing the nation.
Imagine what you would be reading every day if Trump was a darling of the MSM like Obama.
The image looks like it's from a newspaper, not a webpage, yet the newspaper somehow got pressured into changing the titled after print? (All of the titles and fonts looks suspiciously digital, but I have never seen a news page that looks like a 1990s newspaper). But the thing that rings the most alarm bells for me is that Trump would absolutely never in a million years urge "Unity vs. racism" in the first place. Both himself and his core supporters are massively racist, and he has refused to take stance on the subject before. Or have you forgotten about "both sides"?
Photoshop is a thing, and it's abused massively exactly to trick people, who aren't inclined to dig for sources, into getting offended by stuff like this. Unless you provide actual evidence then I'm going to treat it as such.
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You would be killed really fast and probably don't harm him anyway.
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