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On December 06 2011 06:00 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 05:47 darkscream wrote:
Yes, all internet moderation is too heavy imo. On every website including TL.
We live in a world where we think its ok to just close/block/delete people and what they say, it isn't. But, as simple users, we have no real power over the websites we use or the programs we use, and in a world of fleeting digital content, more and more things are going to be "licensed" to us rather than sold. Today it's your EA account, what if it's your bank account tomorrow? What if your car or house keys only worked if you kept paying a bill? What if all your DVDs stopped working if you pirated even a single movie?
These are all things certain companies would LOVE to implement and the only reason they don't (besides technical ones) are that we wouldn't stand for it. Show EA you won't stand for this either. This isn't America, this is TL's house. There's no free speech here (at least we're not entitled to it). Owners of private forums are more than welcome to censor all they want. The issue is not that EA censors it's forums, the issue that they rob their customers. And it's not like TL is unfair. In fact I find TL's moderation like a breath of fresh air. You can say whatever you want as long as you don't insult/flame/troll others and support your less standard opinions with facts.
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Yeah, this is ridiculous. BF3 was the latest game I bought from them and it will also be the last.
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Sometimes I just try so hard to understand, WHY? How would this ever turn into a situation that doesn't make everyone hate EA?
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That is so ridiculous. Why would you ban someone for cursing. FUCK!
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god i hate EA, not even that their games are crap, oh wait, the games they bought are crap, but their customer service as well? Man, pull yourself together.
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How stupid.
The forums should be seperated from the game.
If your banned from the forum be banned from the forum. If your banned from the game, be banned from the game.
They're setting themselves up to have the image of an "evil" company atm.
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This is so incredible fucked up! How can anyone actually pay money for this?!
I would´ve played BF3 too, but as soon as i read that EULA from Origin i was done with this.
It´s just completely ridiculous, customer rights don´t seem to exist anymore.
I really thought something like this wouldn´t get passed in Germany, but apparently i was wrong.
The german data protection authority complained a bit, but of course nothing has happend.
I´m gonna stay away from EA, that´s for sure!
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On December 06 2011 05:47 darkscream wrote:
Yes, all internet moderation is too heavy imo. On every website including TL.
We live in a world where we think its ok to just close/block/delete people and what they say, it isn't.
See, I think you might not appreciate the point of moderation. The reason we even bother moderating is to uphold certain standards, otherwise every website in the world would look like 4chan. While some people wouldn't mind that, there are many that would. In fact, I would argue (and I've heard it from users time and time again over the years) that many people enjoy TL.net so much for example BECAUSE of the moderation. When you keep the stupid shit out, the quality is going to go up.
I like the guy earlier who compared moderation styles to government styles, and I think it's absolutely true. Some people are going to want to live in an anarchy, others are going to appreciate having "laws" in place that work towards common good.
On December 06 2011 06:05 Thorakh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 06:00 Klondikebar wrote:
This isn't America, this is TL's house. There's no free speech here (at least we're not entitled to it). Owners of private forums are more than welcome to censor all they want. The issue is not that EA censors it's forums, the issue that they rob their customers. And it's not like TL is unfair. In fact I find TL's moderation like a breath of fresh air. You can say whatever you want as long as you don't insult/flame/troll others and support your less standard opinions with facts.
Exactly. 
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thats totaly crazy? what does an Forum acc has to do with a game licence i buyed? that like stealing the money out of the gamers? Never played any of their games... stick to blizzard and small companys :=
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Baltimore, USA22260 Posts
On December 06 2011 06:12 RogerX wrote:
They're setting themselves up to have the image of an "evil" company atm.
They've been working on that for as long as I can remember. 
Bobby Kotick has been trying to knock them off that pedastal though.
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On December 06 2011 06:12 RogerX wrote:
They're setting themselves up to have the image of an "evil" company atm.
They've done that for at least a decade. I don't know why they want everyone to hate them, but whoever makes these decisions seems intent on running the company into the ground.
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Origin was an awful idea as it is. Now they're taking their awful ideas a step further.
What morons.
The more I think about it, the more insane they seem. They are shooting their customers in their feet for buying EA games, and then shooting themselves in the feet for getting rid of customers. I would hate to see a big player in the gaming industry like EA fail or go bust but doing shit like this I can see it happening.
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Lets pose a hypothetical situation:
I beat some kid in BF3 and make him rage hard, he proceeds to create a dummy origin account and creates a tread calling me a "insert expletive filled insult here". As a result I am banned and can no longer play any of my origin games.
^Would/Could the above actually happen? If so I'm not going to be playing BF3 until this gets figured out.
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I'm very excited for The Old Republic, but apparently it is being distributed through Origin, and I don't know if I can support a system like that.
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On December 06 2011 06:05 Thorakh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 06:00 Klondikebar wrote:On December 06 2011 05:47 darkscream wrote:
Yes, all internet moderation is too heavy imo. On every website including TL.
We live in a world where we think its ok to just close/block/delete people and what they say, it isn't. But, as simple users, we have no real power over the websites we use or the programs we use, and in a world of fleeting digital content, more and more things are going to be "licensed" to us rather than sold. Today it's your EA account, what if it's your bank account tomorrow? What if your car or house keys only worked if you kept paying a bill? What if all your DVDs stopped working if you pirated even a single movie?
These are all things certain companies would LOVE to implement and the only reason they don't (besides technical ones) are that we wouldn't stand for it. Show EA you won't stand for this either. This isn't America, this is TL's house. There's no free speech here (at least we're not entitled to it). Owners of private forums are more than welcome to censor all they want. The issue is not that EA censors it's forums, the issue that they rob their customers. And it's not like TL is unfair. In fact I find TL's moderation like a breath of fresh air. You can say whatever you want as long as you don't insult/flame/troll others and support your less standard opinions with facts.
99% of internet moderation is way too light. face it, the vast majority of the population is made of idiots. in addition the internet often turns otherwise silent people into douchebags and tends to bring out the worst in people. moderation is a MUST and one of the reasons why i visit TL since like 8+ years even in times i stopped playing bw/sc2 is because the great moderation here keeps the standarts high and makes it for me the most enjoyable site to visit i know. even after sc2 which brought waves of trolls and kids TL is the glorious forum of reason in the endless sea of troll and stupidity infested boards out there.
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dunno if i want to laugh or get mad at this. its so ridiculous that its almost funny. but that a company can rip their customers out of things they paid for just because they are a big ass name is just sad. its just another sad tale where EA shows the gaming world their true face again.
tbh i stayed away from buying fifa 12 and bf3 just because of EA. never done that before but i have the cash, shop is across the road ,etc and still i stayed away from buying it just because having a bad feeling when thinking about giving EA money.
not much more to say about it. its sad, its outrageous and whoever is responsible for crap like that should get what he deserves.but in the world of games companys often can do whatever the fuck they want as long as they have game series that people will buy no matter what.
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The solution to all of this is to just not buy EA or Activision products. You're supporting the two companies that are ruining video games when you do.
If you boycott those companies (which would include not buying Blizzard games btw) you can actually hope for things to change. Like for Origin to be less shitty. For EA's customer service to be better. For Activision to stop being dicks to their employees and producing games like they're all Madden.
Boycotts work. Buying EA/Activision games and then bitching about lack of features and shitty customer service doesn't because they're still getting your money.
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On December 06 2011 06:09 TheLOLas wrote:
That is so ridiculous. Why would you ban someone for cursing. FUCK!
Especially when the characters in the game scream "I GOT YOU MOTHERFUCKER" and "TAKE THIS BITCH" when they bag themselves a kill, haha. I'm sure people who are browsing the Battlefield 3 forums can handle an entire arsenal of sailor vocabulary.
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On December 06 2011 06:30 gosuMalicE wrote:
Lets pose a hypothetical situation:
I beat some kid in BF3 and make him rage hard, he proceeds to create a dummy origin account and creates a tread calling me a "insert expletive filled insult here". As a result I am banned and can no longer play any of my origin games.
^Would/Could the above actually happen? If so I'm not going to be playing BF3 until this gets figured out.
According to a previous post that tested the banning effects, yes - if anyone curses and puts your name in the same post, you run a risk of being banned.
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On December 06 2011 05:26 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Banning someone because someone else wrote their username in a post that also contained profanity... that's pretty really bad.
I can see a bunch of trolls creating EA accounts, and quoting randoms with swearing, just to get them banned. Although I suppose when (not if) this happens, EA will be forced to unban all these users.
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