EPTOne question regarding the bowl ban. I understand that teams who are barred from the post-season (bowl games) may not compete in them. If I remember correctly, all teams within their conference split the revenue generated from teams playing in bowl games. I'm assuming this means that the team may not contribute, nor will they receive any money either??
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Majynx
United States1431 Posts
One question regarding the bowl ban. I understand that teams who are barred from the post-season (bowl games) may not compete in them. If I remember correctly, all teams within their conference split the revenue generated from teams playing in bowl games. I'm assuming this means that the team may not contribute, nor will they receive any money either?? | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Basically destroyed the program for the next 6-7years (scholarship losses last past the 4 years). The final nail in Paternos coffin as well with the loss of so many damn wins. Not only is he not the wins leader anymore, he isn't even close. | ||
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Majynx
United States1431 Posts
On July 24 2012 05:17 Probe1 wrote: The B1G Ten has excluded them from all end season bowl revenue sharing, as has the NCAA Majynx. Ah, Thank you for the clarification  | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On July 24 2012 04:44 Hawk wrote: It's to serve as a detterent to those in power who might look the other way that your program and school will get skull fucked into oblivion if you cover up criminal shit to protect your image, recruiting ability and interests. It's clear that this cover up was done, among other reasons, to protect the image of PSU football. Can someone provide a compelling reason why their program shouldn't get getting pounded in the ground right now? How is this any different than USC getting smashed over the head for the Bush recruiting violations? People who weren't even there when he played ate that shit. They didn't violate NCAA by-laws, they systemically covered up rapes! And for that, they are going to go to prison. I, for some reason, find this to be different from hiding a slush fund or cheating Pell Grants to gain an "unfair" advantage at a game. The NCAA shouldn't even be involved in this, this is just sanctimonious showboating to make everyone feel better. Which, as I type that, doesn't actually seem wrong... | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
On July 24 2012 06:00 slyboogie wrote: They didn't violate NCAA by-laws, they systemically covered up rapes! And for that, they are going to go to prison. I, for some reason, find this to be different from hiding a slush fund or cheating Pell Grants to gain an "unfair" advantage at a game. The NCAA shouldn't even be involved in this, this is just sanctimonious showboating to make everyone feel better. Which, as I type that, doesn't actually seem wrong... You're simply incorrect. The school did violate NCAA rules and these penalties are in addition to whatever civil/legal penalties they face. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On July 24 2012 00:18 Hawk wrote: They're only losing 10 scholarships a year for four years. It's not small, but it is certainly not death penalty level. Not even close. I think they could have and should have done more. Is there any word on whether or not they can do as USC did and stagger when they take the bowl ban and scholarship hit? Because that will definitely determine how severe the penalties are stolen from another forum about how this isn't even close to the SMU death penalty: "I don't see how. The death penalty meant zero scholarships for the first year (85). This penalty is 80 scholarships total. The death penalty meant no football, period, and then no home games the next season. This means just no bowl games. The death penalty meant no football revenue for a year, then no home game revenue for the next year. The $60 million fine is equivalent to just one year of football revenue. The only way you can argue that this penalty is harsher is the vacated wins, which I don't think is a serious penalty for the school's football program. That's more about dismantling Paterno's history. " 10 scholarships a year is huge when you consider their limit is at 65 during that time frame. PSU is going to be done for a long time. Since the signing limit is 25, they wont have a full scholarship team until 2020 at the earliest. They are going to be doormats. Nobody will want to go there now. Especially after seeing them get destroyed for the next few years. The death penalty may have been better depending on how long it would have lasted (If they had a death penalty on the table for 4 years as is being reported, they were REALLY Fucked and had no choice but to agree to the sanctions). They could have MAYBE recovered in 5 years. They are fucked for 10 at least now. | ||
LosingID8
CA10835 Posts
On July 24 2012 04:44 Hawk wrote: It's to serve as a detterent to those in power who might look the other way that your program and school will get skull fucked into oblivion if you cover up criminal shit to protect your image, recruiting ability and interests. It's clear that this cover up was done, among other reasons, to protect the image of PSU football. Can someone provide a compelling reason why their program shouldn't get getting pounded in the ground right now? How is this any different than USC getting smashed over the head for the Bush recruiting violations? People who weren't even there when he played ate that shit. unrelated to the thread in general, but one correction. the bush ordeal wasn't about recruiting violations at all. it was about a wannabe agent (who is actually a convicted felon) that was trying to get bush to leave usc early after he was already in the program for 2 years. more on topic, these sanctions basically mean PSU football is dead for the next decade. i don't think people realize what it means to have a roster limit of 65 and four years of 15 incoming scholarships to offer. combine that with 4 years of post season ban, and also the free agency of any current player on the team means that they will basically be playing for the next 10 years with walk-on level quality players. why would any high school recruit with D1 talent go to PSU now or for the next several years? the level of talent that penn state will be getting the next 4+ years will be unable to compete with a school like temple. | ||
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BabyGiraldo
United States135 Posts
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
On July 24 2012 09:04 BabyGiraldo wrote: I don't know all the details of the case, nor have I read all 35 pages of this thread so someone might have posted/answered to what I'm going to say already. I think it's BS though how much heat Jopa is taking on this though. While he's at fault, there's no way it's entirely his responsibility for what happened. He reported what he heard from the guy who saw Sandusky abusing the boy in the shower to his superiors. Maybe he should have done more, but he didn't see it first hand, and why isn't it the actual guy who saw Sandusky abusing the kid taking any flak? The same logic used on Jopa can be used on him. Also there is no way that there was a scandal this big and only 1 or 2 people knew about it, it wasn't just Jopa who didn't come forward, I'm sure there were a lot of people who knew and didn't come forward. I would recommend you go back the last 10 pages then and read. Its not really that much to cover and most of your post has already been addressed. I would also recommend reading any of the summaries available of the Freeh report and what they said Joepa. The tl:dr for that is that he isn't as innocent as he presented himself to be and had more knowledge to the situation than he led on. Which is one of the major reasons people are coming down so hard on him. | ||
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czylu
477 Posts
On July 24 2012 09:04 BabyGiraldo wrote: I don't know all the details of the case, nor have I read all 35 pages of this thread so someone might have posted/answered to what I'm going to say already. I think it's BS though how much heat Jopa is taking on this though. While he's at fault, there's no way it's entirely his responsibility for what happened. He reported what he heard from the guy who saw Sandusky abusing the boy in the shower to his superiors. Maybe he should have done more, but he didn't see it first hand, and why isn't it the actual guy who saw Sandusky abusing the kid taking any flak? The same logic used on Jopa can be used on him. Also there is no way that there was a scandal this big and only 1 or 2 people knew about it, it wasn't just Jopa who didn't come forward, I'm sure there were a lot of people who knew and didn't come forward. The guy who actually saw it is the whistleblower, whether he had any part in the cover up is irrelevant, w/o his statement, none of the proceeding actions could have occured to bring the criminal to the justice. Just think, if we punish the whistleblower in this situation, it sets the precedent that every future whistleblower is culpable for prosecution, and no one would ever report organizational crime. This is why McQueary is not being prosecuted, because it would set a terrible precedent for the future. As for Paterno and his direct superiors, they deserve everything they get. This wasn't a one time thing, this crap was going on since 1998. That's a decade long cover-up. Paterno is just getting the brunt of the heat, because he was the figurehead of the program and he had the most power to both bring Sandusky to justice, and to cover up the entire thing. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
My one question in all of this though, is if he was indeed trying to cover it up, why even have Mcquery tell his story to any of the higher ups? Why even let it get that far? | ||
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shabinka
United States469 Posts
On July 24 2012 06:00 slyboogie wrote: They didn't violate NCAA by-laws, they systemically covered up rapes! And for that, they are going to go to prison. I, for some reason, find this to be different from hiding a slush fund or cheating Pell Grants to gain an "unfair" advantage at a game. The NCAA shouldn't even be involved in this, this is just sanctimonious showboating to make everyone feel better. Which, as I type that, doesn't actually seem wrong... Just quoting this for truth and how I also feel about this. Hope more people see this. | ||
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czylu
477 Posts
On July 24 2012 09:28 shabinka wrote: Just quoting this for truth and how I also feel about this. Hope more people see this. Do you really think that the NCAA is just gonna sit on its ass while Penn State's actions have completely tarnished the reputation of college football? The NCAA is ultimately a business, and when something is bad for business, something needs to go. Can you imagine the flak they will get if they do nothing and Penn State is hoisting a Rose Bowl next year? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18051 Posts
On July 23 2012 23:56 Cloud9157 wrote: You claim they're not important, but how important is math really? Outside of basic division/multiplication/addition/subtraction, when do you really use math unless your job actually requires it? Do you need to know the Pythagorean Theorem, or what a quadratic equation is? Chances are pretty good that you don't. is this a troll? going beyond basic div/multi/add/subtr does not mean quadratic equations are the next step. is your house , car and life insured? ever built anything with your own hands ? how do you compare insurance or build anything without math that goes beyond "basic division/multiplication/addition/subtraction" or are you one of these mid-twenties perpetual adolescents that lives in front of their computers ? the hilarious thing is ... when i am in any retail situation the morons at the cash register can't even do basic division and multiplication or understand percentages. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On July 24 2012 09:38 czylu wrote: Do you really think that the NCAA is just gonna sit on its ass while Penn State's actions have completely tarnished the reputation of college football? The NCAA is ultimately a business, and when something is bad for business, something needs to go. Can you imagine the flak they will get if they do nothing and Penn State is hoisting a Rose Bowl next year? Okay, so the NCAA did this to save face? As long as we are all on the same page - the NCAA is not a moral body meant to dispense justice - it's just a hypocritical greedy organization that doesn't care about raped children: just public outrage and lost revenue. As long as we're clear. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
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rhs408
United States904 Posts
I feel bad for Paterno losing 14 seasons of wins though, that's rough. At least he didn't live to see this day come, it probably would have crushed whatever spirit he still had left.  | ||
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czylu
477 Posts
On July 24 2012 10:11 slyboogie wrote: Okay, so the NCAA did this to save face? As long as we are all on the same page - the NCAA is not a moral body meant to dispense justice - it's just a hypocritical greedy organization that doesn't care about raped children: just public outrage and lost revenue. As long as we're clear. It's not a moral body meant to dispense justice but it's not a hypocritical greedy organization either. It's just a business organization, and it needs to do what is profitable(this is neither hypocritical nor greedy). | ||
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