EPTIn reality I'd love for it to be a huge scandal with JoePa knowing about it and even taking part. Always gotta love a good drama fest; gives me more avenues for procrastination.
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tronix
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In reality I'd love for it to be a huge scandal with JoePa knowing about it and even taking part. Always gotta love a good drama fest; gives me more avenues for procrastination. | ||
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Clues
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On November 11 2011 05:25 Risen wrote: Thank you tronix. Until I see actual evidence I'm going to assume Paterno is innocent of any moral wrongdoing. All anyone, Jibba included, can be bothered to do is wave their arms around and go uhhhh hurrrrr durrr, he knew. No, Jibba and others are saying "In the organization that Sandusky and JoePa were in, it is basically impossible for JoePa to claim he had absolutely no knowledge of what was going on." And you guys are saying "Its totally plausible!" Fundamentally none of us work in college sports so we can't bring any more expertise to the conversation. | ||
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Risen
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It hurts me that there is such ignorance amongst people. I like to think that TL has people who avoid speculation, who reserve judgement for when all the facts are out. Then someone like Jibba comes along and shatters that. All I have asked is for people to come forward with facts and truths. I have found none. You do not believe he held up his moral end of the argument, fine. But be honest with yourself and with others on this forum and say, I'm basing this off a gut feeling and I think Joe didn't do all he should have. Don't sit there and act patronizing as Jibba and others have and pretend your speculation is fact. It's bullshit, and I hope Jibba feels ashamed. | ||
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stokes17
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On November 11 2011 05:30 Jibba wrote: Remember the Dave Chapelle skit where he wants proof that R. Kelly, Michael Jackson and OJ did it? That's you, right now. That's really all it needs to be left at. Rofl, that's what I been saying all day. I'm not speculating. Joe knew:Sadnusky- 10 year old boy- naked- shower. That's all he needed to know to be morally responsible in the matter. So Unless McQuerey lied on the stand, Joe knew these things, and failed his moral obligation to pursue it. | ||
Jibba
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Just to further drive it home: In a statement, Paterno said he was "informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the grand jury report." After that incident in 2002, Sandusky STILL had access to the program. They took away his keys but people at the program said he would come (no pun intended) and go as he pleased, and him and The Second Mile was still closely tied with the program. Which is exactly why this kept happening, several more times until 2009 IN THE PSU FACILITIES."Regardless," Paterno's statement continued," it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators." | ||
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Battleaxe
United States843 Posts
In regard to Paterno's moral failing, I'll wait to see what comes out. If he was told why Sandusky was barred and failed to follow up, I can agree he is certainly at fault. Certainly wouldn't be the first time a high profile figure has been used a scapegoat to cover up something much larger. | ||
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Risen
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On November 11 2011 05:32 Clues wrote: No, Jibba and others are saying "In the organization that Sandusky and JoePa were in, it is basically impossible for JoePa to claim he had absolutely no knowledge of what was going on." And you guys are saying "Its totally plausible!" Fundamentally none of us work in college sports so we can't bring any more expertise to the conversation. You're supporting my point. I don't know how college football works, Jibba doesn't know how college football works. Until such a time that all the facts are revealed Jibba should shut his mouth unless he declares that it is his gut opinion based upon assumptions and speculation that JoePa didn't live up to his moral obligations. If that's your gut opinion JoePa, ok. I have a feeling that when the dust settles you will be right, it will come to light that JoePa didn't do all that could be expected of him. For now, I will reserve judgement. Edit: Wowza I'm glad Jibba isn't a judge. Were you on the jury for those trials? I don't think you were. You don't know all the facts of the case, you know what the media told you. Disgusting. Double Edit: I'm glad I live in a society where "know it" isn't accepted. | ||
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Reaper9
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Unless you are telling me Joe had his head stuck in the dirt that much, NOBODY is willfully that stupid. Please don't blame it on being senile either. One thing I absolutely hate about American society is we are very good at playing dumb, and lying. The American people are not that stupid, yet we insist on "saving face" and pretending that shit isn't going down, and its ticking me off, from every aspect of our culture, to morality and jobs. | ||
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stokes17
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On November 11 2011 05:32 Risen wrote: I apologize for the deterioration Stokes. I've been beating a drum all day and people like Jibba disgrace the mod team with their rampant speculation. It hurts me that there is such ignorance amongst people. I like to think that TL has people who avoid speculation, who reserve judgement for when all the facts are out. Then someone like Jibba comes along and shatters that. All I have asked is for people to come forward with facts and truths. I have found none. You do not believe he held up his moral end of the argument, fine. But be honest with yourself and with others on this forum and say, I'm basing this off a gut feeling and I think Joe didn't do all he should have. Don't sit there and act patronizing as Jibba and others have and pretend your speculation is fact. It's bullshit, and I hope Jibba feels ashamed. I fail to see how expressing an opinion, especially a majority opinion, would be disgracing the mod team. Its not he banned you disagreeing w/ him.... maybe be a little more respectful to the Mods who put untold volunteer hours so that we have the beautiful forum on which to discuss issues? | ||
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Jibba
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stokes17
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On November 11 2011 05:38 Jibba wrote: Hey guys, OJ WAS NEVER CONVICTED. Who wants to have a sleepover at his house? It's cold outside, so make sure to bring your own gloves. - Risen This thread is going down hill really fast. I think I'm gonna leave for a while. I'll check back tonight. Hopefully these pimping rumors by second Mile and Sandusky turn out to be just rumors. | ||
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Risen
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On November 11 2011 05:34 Jibba wrote: I'm ashamed that you're still here, yes. Just to further drive it home: After that incident in 2002, Sandusky STILL had access to the program. They took away his keys but people at the program said he would come (no pun intended) and go as he pleased, and him and The Second Mile was still closely tied with the program. Which is exactly why this kept happening, several more times until 2009 IN THE PSU FACILITIES. I'm confused. Paterno's statement there supports my argument. Sandusky had his keys taken away, what more do you want Paterno to do? Ban him from Penn State? Something he has no authority over? Again, as far as Paterno knows (or has been revealed at this point) is that Sandusky has had his keys taken away. He doesn't know if the allegations are true or not. He might assume the keys being taken away is just to cover the bases for Penn State's security. | ||
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tronix
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Risen
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On November 11 2011 05:37 stokes17 wrote: I fail to see how expressing an opinion, especially a majority opinion, would be disgracing the mod team. Its not he banned you disagreeing w/ him.... maybe be a little more respectful to the Mods who put untold volunteer hours so that we have the beautiful forum on which to discuss issues? I guess I just hold the mods to a higher standard. Cool, he has an opinion shared by the majority. Does that mean it's right for him to come in and comment on the matter wielding pure speculation as his weapon? I don't believe so. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 11 2011 05:38 Jibba wrote: Hey guys, OJ WAS NEVER CONVICTED. Who wants to have a sleepover at his house? It's cold outside, so make sure to bring your own gloves. - Risen It's a shame that people like you exist. I want to live in a world where innocent is in fact innocent. Instead I have to share it with people like you who are willing to judge a man based on hearsay. Edit: When I say innocent is in fact innocent, I mean that he was innocent in a court of law. He should be treated as such by members of the community. Is he? No, but that is a failing of ours, not his. | ||
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iNdEMAND
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tronix
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I read the grand jury recount last night. Holy jeez is Sandusky one mentally ill person. He basically had his own pedo farm. In no way do I doubt that there are numerous other victims that have yet to come out and say anything. | ||
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