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On September 14 2011 23:07 hypnoxide wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 23:05 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 22:46 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Fir3fly wrote:oh god oh god. dont even get me started. all he needed was a banned from the facebook page.then it would've stoped and that would be it. and at any rate, what sort of mother makes a shitty facebook page in memoriam? thats more fucked up than what he did imo. this is honestly nothing but "hurr durr cyber bullies" if you guys think this is bad, you should've read some of the old archives of ED. (before it turned shithouse) some kid killed himself cause he lost his ipod = a bunch of people "hacked" into his myspace and made him the golden ipod award infront of all his friends and family. (its also where the phrase "an hero" came from) this is fucking pathetic and more proof of how the older people do not know about the younger technologies. we're literally in a fucked up time right now. and im going to end before i start up on freedom of speech. + Show Spoiler +hurr durr cant say how i feel cause i might hurt some retard's feelings :c :c :c :c what's your problem really? what he did was not merely a "troll", it was on another level of disrespect toward a dead person. Would you ever steps on the corpse of your dead grandfather? If you say yes, i have nothing more to say. I always have to laugh at this modern conception of "respect". Why are corpses and dead people venerated? On September 14 2011 22:46 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:38 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:26 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:24 Toadesstern wrote:take into consideration that this did not happen in the us guys... We all know you guys love freedom and most of you guys are more liberal than everyone else. However Insulting IS a crime in some places. I don't know what it's like in the us but reading this makes me think it isn't so I'm going to quote german law for example (cause I'm from ger). I know it did not happen in germany but I'm guessing we're not the only ones who got something like this in europe. First one is the german one, the second one is my rough translation: + Show Spoiler +§ 185 Beleidigung
Die Beleidigung wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu einem Jahr oder mit Geldstrafe und, wenn die Beleidigung mittels einer Tätlichkeit begangen wird, mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu zwei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft. § 185 Insultin
The act of Insulting is punished with (by?) prison sentence by up to one year or a fine. If this is happening as/with and act of violence it is punished with prison sentence by up to two years or a fine
So I don't see a problem here. It's not exactly common that those things get sued, dealt with or whatever you want to call it but I think it's perfectly fine. Basicly: If you're insulting for the purpose of insulting it's not ok. However, you obviously won't get sued if you call someone a bitch and even if it would happen, probably nothing would happen or you'd have to pay a fine. Never actually heard of someone going to jail for that kind of stuff. That's ridiculous. How do you define being insulted? Why does the law not apply if you are called a bitch? What if I'm insulted by that law and it's infringement on my right to free speech? I hope the German translation is a lot more specific or it's a rather empty law that's open to exploitation. So you suggest we shouldn't have laws against battery, because it might be hard to say where the line goes between nudging someone and actually beating someone? Laws are hard to define so that they're 100% clear and set in stone, and many of them are up to interpretation to a certain degree. 1. an unlawful application of force 2. to the person of another 3. resulting in either bodily injury or an offensive touching. Laws are clear and set and stone otherwise they are poorly written. And FYI, if you don't get it, nudging someone accidentally is not offensive touching. How is ''an offensive touching'' clearly defined? XD You're trying to be a smart ass and it's not really working out for you. Offensive touching is qualified by the preceding requirement "an unlawful application of force", ergo, offensive touching would be an unlawful application of force not resulting in bodily injury. your response makes me lose hope in humanity I like how you clearly define why you feel that way. It lets me know your opinion is of worth. Nowadays the word "respect" is thrown around too often and people expect it to be automatically given instead of earned.
your point sir?
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On September 14 2011 23:04 Fir3fly wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 22:28 Cain0 wrote:
He's a fat little dwarf. He's probably just trying to make himself feel better by hurting others.
Also, 4 months isn't enough for what he did, I think it should be more like a year. im offended by your comment, i want you to go to jail for a year, i was left in shock and almost in tears from it. Grow the fuck up and realise that not everyone has an ironclad skin.
Get some respect, honestly. Not every person can handle the most horrible verbal abuse you can think off.
Great post Brett.
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On September 14 2011 22:44 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 22:28 Fir3fly wrote:oh god oh god. dont even get me started. all he needed was a banned from the facebook page.then it would've stoped and that would be it. and at any rate, what sort of mother makes a shitty facebook page in memoriam? thats more fucked up than what he did imo. this is honestly nothing but "hurr durr cyber bullies" if you guys think this is bad, you should've read some of the old archives of ED. (before it turned shithouse) some kid killed himself cause he lost his ipod = a bunch of people "hacked" into his myspace and made him the golden ipod award infront of all his friends and family. (its also where the phrase "an hero" came from) this is fucking pathetic and more proof of how the older people do not know about the younger technologies. we're literally in a fucked up time right now. and im going to end before i start up on freedom of speech. + Show Spoiler +hurr durr cant say how i feel cause i might hurt some retard's feelings :c :c :c :c what's your problem really? what he did was not merely a "troll", it was on another level of disrespect toward a dead person. Would you ever steps on the corpse of your dead grandfather? If you say yes, i have nothing more to say.
why the fuck would i step on the corpse of my own grandfather? what the fuck is wrong with you?
it was disrepect, yes, sure, but thats not jail worthy. people are assholes all the time and theres been worse than this. you need to learn the difference between breaking the law and being an asshole.
what i want to know is why the fuck did the mother put it on FACEBOOK. its like she couldnt even be bothered to do anything correctly.
i feel sorry for the daughter 110%, but the mother is plain retarded.
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On September 14 2011 23:04 Fir3fly wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 22:28 Cain0 wrote:
He's a fat little dwarf. He's probably just trying to make himself feel better by hurting others.
Also, 4 months isn't enough for what he did, I think it should be more like a year. im offended by your comment, i want you to go to jail for a year, i was left in shock and almost in tears from it.
Don't be stupid. Gain an understanding of the offence and the state of the law, or you should probably stay out of this discussion. Your overexaggeration is not assisting you in making any relevant counter argument.
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How is this different from that crazy church that protests thje funerals of gay people? they have been doing it for years and they actually get in the familys faces and say shit like god hates fags and they are going to hell, also carry giant signs saying the same.
While I dont think its good at all, this should nto be a crime. Free speach shouldnt end until inciting voilence. As long as you are not being voilent you should be able to say whatever you want to who ever you want, long live the republic.
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On September 14 2011 23:09 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 23:07 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 23:05 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 22:46 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Fir3fly wrote:oh god oh god. dont even get me started. all he needed was a banned from the facebook page.then it would've stoped and that would be it. and at any rate, what sort of mother makes a shitty facebook page in memoriam? thats more fucked up than what he did imo. this is honestly nothing but "hurr durr cyber bullies" if you guys think this is bad, you should've read some of the old archives of ED. (before it turned shithouse) some kid killed himself cause he lost his ipod = a bunch of people "hacked" into his myspace and made him the golden ipod award infront of all his friends and family. (its also where the phrase "an hero" came from) this is fucking pathetic and more proof of how the older people do not know about the younger technologies. we're literally in a fucked up time right now. and im going to end before i start up on freedom of speech. + Show Spoiler +hurr durr cant say how i feel cause i might hurt some retard's feelings :c :c :c :c what's your problem really? what he did was not merely a "troll", it was on another level of disrespect toward a dead person. Would you ever steps on the corpse of your dead grandfather? If you say yes, i have nothing more to say. I always have to laugh at this modern conception of "respect". Why are corpses and dead people venerated? On September 14 2011 22:46 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:38 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:26 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:24 Toadesstern wrote:take into consideration that this did not happen in the us guys... We all know you guys love freedom and most of you guys are more liberal than everyone else. However Insulting IS a crime in some places. I don't know what it's like in the us but reading this makes me think it isn't so I'm going to quote german law for example (cause I'm from ger). I know it did not happen in germany but I'm guessing we're not the only ones who got something like this in europe. First one is the german one, the second one is my rough translation: + Show Spoiler +§ 185 Beleidigung
Die Beleidigung wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu einem Jahr oder mit Geldstrafe und, wenn die Beleidigung mittels einer Tätlichkeit begangen wird, mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu zwei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft. § 185 Insultin
The act of Insulting is punished with (by?) prison sentence by up to one year or a fine. If this is happening as/with and act of violence it is punished with prison sentence by up to two years or a fine
So I don't see a problem here. It's not exactly common that those things get sued, dealt with or whatever you want to call it but I think it's perfectly fine. Basicly: If you're insulting for the purpose of insulting it's not ok. However, you obviously won't get sued if you call someone a bitch and even if it would happen, probably nothing would happen or you'd have to pay a fine. Never actually heard of someone going to jail for that kind of stuff. That's ridiculous. How do you define being insulted? Why does the law not apply if you are called a bitch? What if I'm insulted by that law and it's infringement on my right to free speech? I hope the German translation is a lot more specific or it's a rather empty law that's open to exploitation. So you suggest we shouldn't have laws against battery, because it might be hard to say where the line goes between nudging someone and actually beating someone? Laws are hard to define so that they're 100% clear and set in stone, and many of them are up to interpretation to a certain degree. 1. an unlawful application of force 2. to the person of another 3. resulting in either bodily injury or an offensive touching. Laws are clear and set and stone otherwise they are poorly written. And FYI, if you don't get it, nudging someone accidentally is not offensive touching. How is ''an offensive touching'' clearly defined? XD You're trying to be a smart ass and it's not really working out for you. Offensive touching is qualified by the preceding requirement "an unlawful application of force", ergo, offensive touching would be an unlawful application of force not resulting in bodily injury. your response makes me lose hope in humanity I like how you clearly define why you feel that way. It lets me know your opinion is of worth. Nowadays the word "respect" is thrown around too often and people expect it to be automatically given instead of earned. your point sir?
That I hope you don't expect me to dwell on your opinion if you can't justify or reason it.
On September 14 2011 23:09 Thorakh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 23:04 Fir3fly wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Cain0 wrote:
He's a fat little dwarf. He's probably just trying to make himself feel better by hurting others.
Also, 4 months isn't enough for what he did, I think it should be more like a year. im offended by your comment, i want you to go to jail for a year, i was left in shock and almost in tears from it. Grow the fuck up and realise that not everyone has an ironclad skin. Get some respect, honestly. Not every person can handle the most horrible verbal abuse you can think off. Great post Brett.
Hell yeah. Be sanctimonious, take the moral high ground and insult people just like those you're getting mad about.
On September 14 2011 23:11 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 23:04 Fir3fly wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Cain0 wrote:
He's a fat little dwarf. He's probably just trying to make himself feel better by hurting others.
Also, 4 months isn't enough for what he did, I think it should be more like a year. im offended by your comment, i want you to go to jail for a year, i was left in shock and almost in tears from it. Don't be stupid. Gain an understanding of the offence and the state of the law, or you should probably stay out of this discussion. Your overexaggeration is not assisting you in making any relevant counter argument.
No, the point being made is that people feel insulted and become offended for different things. What if he was legitimately upset about the comments posted? The definition being so flimsy and people getting insulted by an array of different things make this so ridiculous.
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First of all, to the people saying just block him, how is that going to work??
All he has to do is create another account, its facebook, it takes a minute to do!
Ban his IP address? He can still go to an internet cafe or anything like that.
Why does everyone always make these situations seem like the solution is so simple??
wtf for jail?!?! and most people seem to totally support this decision.
i cant believe this, its just a video, just words. words shouldnt get you in prison. being a stupid asshole shouldnt declare you dangerous in public, specially when your just an asshole on the internet.
the idea behind jail was to lock people away which are dangerous. this is just redicoulus.
If you walk up to a policeman and say "F*CK YOU, YOU STUPID IDIOT..." etc, etc. Sure its just words, but do you think he's just going to stand there and smile??
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On September 14 2011 23:10 Fir3fly wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 22:44 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Fir3fly wrote:oh god oh god. dont even get me started. all he needed was a banned from the facebook page.then it would've stoped and that would be it. and at any rate, what sort of mother makes a shitty facebook page in memoriam? thats more fucked up than what he did imo. this is honestly nothing but "hurr durr cyber bullies" if you guys think this is bad, you should've read some of the old archives of ED. (before it turned shithouse) some kid killed himself cause he lost his ipod = a bunch of people "hacked" into his myspace and made him the golden ipod award infront of all his friends and family. (its also where the phrase "an hero" came from) this is fucking pathetic and more proof of how the older people do not know about the younger technologies. we're literally in a fucked up time right now. and im going to end before i start up on freedom of speech. + Show Spoiler +hurr durr cant say how i feel cause i might hurt some retard's feelings :c :c :c :c what's your problem really? what he did was not merely a "troll", it was on another level of disrespect toward a dead person. Would you ever steps on the corpse of your dead grandfather? If you say yes, i have nothing more to say. why the fuck would i step on the corpse of my own grandfather? what the fuck is wrong with you? it was disrepect, yes, sure, but thats not jail worthy. people are assholes all the time and theres been worse than this. you need to learn the difference between breaking the law and being an asshole. what i want to know is why the fuck did the mother put it on FACEBOOK. its like she couldnt even be bothered to do anything correctly. i feel sorry for the daughter 110%, but the mother is plain retarded.
the problem is not the mother is retarded or not, what the man did was completely unacceptable and it is up to you to decide it is jail worthy or not. But fyi, you can go to jail by screwing up a person's grave, might was well go to jail by insulting the dead
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On September 14 2011 23:07 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 22:46 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Fir3fly wrote:oh god oh god. dont even get me started. all he needed was a banned from the facebook page.then it would've stoped and that would be it. and at any rate, what sort of mother makes a shitty facebook page in memoriam? thats more fucked up than what he did imo. this is honestly nothing but "hurr durr cyber bullies" if you guys think this is bad, you should've read some of the old archives of ED. (before it turned shithouse) some kid killed himself cause he lost his ipod = a bunch of people "hacked" into his myspace and made him the golden ipod award infront of all his friends and family. (its also where the phrase "an hero" came from) this is fucking pathetic and more proof of how the older people do not know about the younger technologies. we're literally in a fucked up time right now. and im going to end before i start up on freedom of speech. + Show Spoiler +hurr durr cant say how i feel cause i might hurt some retard's feelings :c :c :c :c what's your problem really? what he did was not merely a "troll", it was on another level of disrespect toward a dead person. Would you ever steps on the corpse of your dead grandfather? If you say yes, i have nothing more to say. I always have to laugh at this modern conception of "respect". Why are corpses and dead people venerated? On September 14 2011 22:46 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:38 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:26 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:24 Toadesstern wrote:take into consideration that this did not happen in the us guys... We all know you guys love freedom and most of you guys are more liberal than everyone else. However Insulting IS a crime in some places. I don't know what it's like in the us but reading this makes me think it isn't so I'm going to quote german law for example (cause I'm from ger). I know it did not happen in germany but I'm guessing we're not the only ones who got something like this in europe. First one is the german one, the second one is my rough translation: + Show Spoiler +§ 185 Beleidigung
Die Beleidigung wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu einem Jahr oder mit Geldstrafe und, wenn die Beleidigung mittels einer Tätlichkeit begangen wird, mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu zwei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft. § 185 Insultin
The act of Insulting is punished with (by?) prison sentence by up to one year or a fine. If this is happening as/with and act of violence it is punished with prison sentence by up to two years or a fine
So I don't see a problem here. It's not exactly common that those things get sued, dealt with or whatever you want to call it but I think it's perfectly fine. Basicly: If you're insulting for the purpose of insulting it's not ok. However, you obviously won't get sued if you call someone a bitch and even if it would happen, probably nothing would happen or you'd have to pay a fine. Never actually heard of someone going to jail for that kind of stuff. That's ridiculous. How do you define being insulted? Why does the law not apply if you are called a bitch? What if I'm insulted by that law and it's infringement on my right to free speech? I hope the German translation is a lot more specific or it's a rather empty law that's open to exploitation. So you suggest we shouldn't have laws against battery, because it might be hard to say where the line goes between nudging someone and actually beating someone? Laws are hard to define so that they're 100% clear and set in stone, and many of them are up to interpretation to a certain degree. 1. an unlawful application of force 2. to the person of another 3. resulting in either bodily injury or an offensive touching. Laws are clear and set and stone otherwise they are poorly written. And FYI, if you don't get it, nudging someone accidentally is not offensive touching. How is ''an offensive touching'' clearly defined? XD You're trying to be a smart ass and it's not really working out for you. Offensive touching is qualified by the preceding requirement "an unlawful application of force", ergo, offensive touching would be an unlawful application of force not resulting in bodily injury. Also respect is another fundamental thing that you need to know in life, you could got to jail for disrespecting the court you know? so why not going to jail by disrespecting dead people?
while searching for some specific definations about that german insulting law I found out we actually have that kind of law, too:
§ 189
Denigrating the memory of the dead
Whoever denigrates the memory of a deceased person shall be punished with imprisonment up to two years or a fine.
We even got a law against insulting, even if the insult is proven to be right (§ 192 - Insult, despite proof of truth). We really are the kings of bureaucracy :p
Google says you can go to jail for insulting someone in france too, don't know about the uk. Guess it's not that uncommon, is it?
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On September 14 2011 23:12 hypnoxide wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 23:09 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 23:07 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 23:05 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 22:46 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Fir3fly wrote:oh god oh god. dont even get me started. all he needed was a banned from the facebook page.then it would've stoped and that would be it. and at any rate, what sort of mother makes a shitty facebook page in memoriam? thats more fucked up than what he did imo. this is honestly nothing but "hurr durr cyber bullies" if you guys think this is bad, you should've read some of the old archives of ED. (before it turned shithouse) some kid killed himself cause he lost his ipod = a bunch of people "hacked" into his myspace and made him the golden ipod award infront of all his friends and family. (its also where the phrase "an hero" came from) this is fucking pathetic and more proof of how the older people do not know about the younger technologies. we're literally in a fucked up time right now. and im going to end before i start up on freedom of speech. + Show Spoiler +hurr durr cant say how i feel cause i might hurt some retard's feelings :c :c :c :c what's your problem really? what he did was not merely a "troll", it was on another level of disrespect toward a dead person. Would you ever steps on the corpse of your dead grandfather? If you say yes, i have nothing more to say. I always have to laugh at this modern conception of "respect". Why are corpses and dead people venerated? On September 14 2011 22:46 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:38 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:26 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:24 Toadesstern wrote:take into consideration that this did not happen in the us guys... We all know you guys love freedom and most of you guys are more liberal than everyone else. However Insulting IS a crime in some places. I don't know what it's like in the us but reading this makes me think it isn't so I'm going to quote german law for example (cause I'm from ger). I know it did not happen in germany but I'm guessing we're not the only ones who got something like this in europe. First one is the german one, the second one is my rough translation: + Show Spoiler +§ 185 Beleidigung
Die Beleidigung wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu einem Jahr oder mit Geldstrafe und, wenn die Beleidigung mittels einer Tätlichkeit begangen wird, mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu zwei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft. § 185 Insultin
The act of Insulting is punished with (by?) prison sentence by up to one year or a fine. If this is happening as/with and act of violence it is punished with prison sentence by up to two years or a fine
So I don't see a problem here. It's not exactly common that those things get sued, dealt with or whatever you want to call it but I think it's perfectly fine. Basicly: If you're insulting for the purpose of insulting it's not ok. However, you obviously won't get sued if you call someone a bitch and even if it would happen, probably nothing would happen or you'd have to pay a fine. Never actually heard of someone going to jail for that kind of stuff. That's ridiculous. How do you define being insulted? Why does the law not apply if you are called a bitch? What if I'm insulted by that law and it's infringement on my right to free speech? I hope the German translation is a lot more specific or it's a rather empty law that's open to exploitation. So you suggest we shouldn't have laws against battery, because it might be hard to say where the line goes between nudging someone and actually beating someone? Laws are hard to define so that they're 100% clear and set in stone, and many of them are up to interpretation to a certain degree. 1. an unlawful application of force 2. to the person of another 3. resulting in either bodily injury or an offensive touching. Laws are clear and set and stone otherwise they are poorly written. And FYI, if you don't get it, nudging someone accidentally is not offensive touching. How is ''an offensive touching'' clearly defined? XD You're trying to be a smart ass and it's not really working out for you. Offensive touching is qualified by the preceding requirement "an unlawful application of force", ergo, offensive touching would be an unlawful application of force not resulting in bodily injury. your response makes me lose hope in humanity I like how you clearly define why you feel that way. It lets me know your opinion is of worth. Nowadays the word "respect" is thrown around too often and people expect it to be automatically given instead of earned. your point sir? That I hope you don't expect me to dwell on your opinion if you can't justify or reason it. Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 23:09 Thorakh wrote:On September 14 2011 23:04 Fir3fly wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Cain0 wrote:
He's a fat little dwarf. He's probably just trying to make himself feel better by hurting others.
Also, 4 months isn't enough for what he did, I think it should be more like a year. im offended by your comment, i want you to go to jail for a year, i was left in shock and almost in tears from it. Grow the fuck up and realise that not everyone has an ironclad skin. Get some respect, honestly. Not every person can handle the most horrible verbal abuse you can think off. Great post Brett. Hell yeah. Be sanctimonious, take the moral high ground and insult people just like those you're getting mad about. Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 23:11 Brett wrote:On September 14 2011 23:04 Fir3fly wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Cain0 wrote:
He's a fat little dwarf. He's probably just trying to make himself feel better by hurting others.
Also, 4 months isn't enough for what he did, I think it should be more like a year. im offended by your comment, i want you to go to jail for a year, i was left in shock and almost in tears from it. Don't be stupid. Gain an understanding of the offence and the state of the law, or you should probably stay out of this discussion. Your overexaggeration is not assisting you in making any relevant counter argument. No, the point being made is that people feel insulted and become offended for different things. What if he was legitimately upset about the comments posted? The definition being so flimsy and people getting insulted by an array of different things make this so ridiculous.
i have already explained it, look back
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On September 14 2011 23:00 hypnoxide wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 22:53 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:46 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Fir3fly wrote:oh god oh god. dont even get me started. all he needed was a banned from the facebook page.then it would've stoped and that would be it. and at any rate, what sort of mother makes a shitty facebook page in memoriam? thats more fucked up than what he did imo. this is honestly nothing but "hurr durr cyber bullies" if you guys think this is bad, you should've read some of the old archives of ED. (before it turned shithouse) some kid killed himself cause he lost his ipod = a bunch of people "hacked" into his myspace and made him the golden ipod award infront of all his friends and family. (its also where the phrase "an hero" came from) this is fucking pathetic and more proof of how the older people do not know about the younger technologies. we're literally in a fucked up time right now. and im going to end before i start up on freedom of speech. + Show Spoiler +hurr durr cant say how i feel cause i might hurt some retard's feelings :c :c :c :c what's your problem really? what he did was not merely a "troll", it was on another level of disrespect toward a dead person. Would you ever steps on the corpse of your dead grandfather? If you say yes, i have nothing more to say. I always have to laugh at this modern conception of "respect". Why are corpses and dead people venerated? On September 14 2011 22:46 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:38 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:26 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:24 Toadesstern wrote:take into consideration that this did not happen in the us guys... We all know you guys love freedom and most of you guys are more liberal than everyone else. However Insulting IS a crime in some places. I don't know what it's like in the us but reading this makes me think it isn't so I'm going to quote german law for example (cause I'm from ger). I know it did not happen in germany but I'm guessing we're not the only ones who got something like this in europe. First one is the german one, the second one is my rough translation: + Show Spoiler +§ 185 Beleidigung
Die Beleidigung wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu einem Jahr oder mit Geldstrafe und, wenn die Beleidigung mittels einer Tätlichkeit begangen wird, mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu zwei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft. § 185 Insultin
The act of Insulting is punished with (by?) prison sentence by up to one year or a fine. If this is happening as/with and act of violence it is punished with prison sentence by up to two years or a fine
So I don't see a problem here. It's not exactly common that those things get sued, dealt with or whatever you want to call it but I think it's perfectly fine. Basicly: If you're insulting for the purpose of insulting it's not ok. However, you obviously won't get sued if you call someone a bitch and even if it would happen, probably nothing would happen or you'd have to pay a fine. Never actually heard of someone going to jail for that kind of stuff. That's ridiculous. How do you define being insulted? Why does the law not apply if you are called a bitch? What if I'm insulted by that law and it's infringement on my right to free speech? I hope the German translation is a lot more specific or it's a rather empty law that's open to exploitation. So you suggest we shouldn't have laws against battery, because it might be hard to say where the line goes between nudging someone and actually beating someone? Laws are hard to define so that they're 100% clear and set in stone, and many of them are up to interpretation to a certain degree. 1. an unlawful application of force 2. to the person of another 3. resulting in either bodily injury or an offensive touching. Laws are clear and set and stone otherwise they are poorly written. And FYI, if you don't get it, nudging someone accidentally is not offensive touching. How is ''an offensive touching'' clearly defined? XD You're trying to be a smart ass and it's not really working out for you. Offensive touching is qualified by the preceding requirement "an unlawful application of force", ergo, offensive touching would be an unlawful application of force not resulting in bodily injury. And once again, how is ''unlawful application of force'' clearly defined? What amount of force does it take to reach the requirements? It isn't as simple as you may think. Just for you: http://www.ehow.com/about_5477305_unlawful-use-force.htmlIt really is simple. Generally you need a reason to use force, otherwise it's unlawful, and the severity of force also has to be reasonable (I can't attack you with a bat if you stand on my lawn if simply asking you to move on would work), otherwise it's unlawful. EDIT: Lol, I actually read the article and I pretty much repeat what it says about unlawful force.
No, it isn't simple. Why do you think there are such extensive amount of studies required to work with legislation? It's is complicated stuff.
It IS hard as fuck to define and decide what falls under illegal harassment or not, but that doesn't mean we should just let everything in that area slide.
The attitude and lack of empathy of some people in this thread is saddening.
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On September 14 2011 23:14 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 23:07 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 22:46 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Fir3fly wrote:oh god oh god. dont even get me started. all he needed was a banned from the facebook page.then it would've stoped and that would be it. and at any rate, what sort of mother makes a shitty facebook page in memoriam? thats more fucked up than what he did imo. this is honestly nothing but "hurr durr cyber bullies" if you guys think this is bad, you should've read some of the old archives of ED. (before it turned shithouse) some kid killed himself cause he lost his ipod = a bunch of people "hacked" into his myspace and made him the golden ipod award infront of all his friends and family. (its also where the phrase "an hero" came from) this is fucking pathetic and more proof of how the older people do not know about the younger technologies. we're literally in a fucked up time right now. and im going to end before i start up on freedom of speech. + Show Spoiler +hurr durr cant say how i feel cause i might hurt some retard's feelings :c :c :c :c what's your problem really? what he did was not merely a "troll", it was on another level of disrespect toward a dead person. Would you ever steps on the corpse of your dead grandfather? If you say yes, i have nothing more to say. I always have to laugh at this modern conception of "respect". Why are corpses and dead people venerated? On September 14 2011 22:46 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:38 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:26 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:24 Toadesstern wrote:take into consideration that this did not happen in the us guys... We all know you guys love freedom and most of you guys are more liberal than everyone else. However Insulting IS a crime in some places. I don't know what it's like in the us but reading this makes me think it isn't so I'm going to quote german law for example (cause I'm from ger). I know it did not happen in germany but I'm guessing we're not the only ones who got something like this in europe. First one is the german one, the second one is my rough translation: + Show Spoiler +§ 185 Beleidigung
Die Beleidigung wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu einem Jahr oder mit Geldstrafe und, wenn die Beleidigung mittels einer Tätlichkeit begangen wird, mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu zwei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft. § 185 Insultin
The act of Insulting is punished with (by?) prison sentence by up to one year or a fine. If this is happening as/with and act of violence it is punished with prison sentence by up to two years or a fine
So I don't see a problem here. It's not exactly common that those things get sued, dealt with or whatever you want to call it but I think it's perfectly fine. Basicly: If you're insulting for the purpose of insulting it's not ok. However, you obviously won't get sued if you call someone a bitch and even if it would happen, probably nothing would happen or you'd have to pay a fine. Never actually heard of someone going to jail for that kind of stuff. That's ridiculous. How do you define being insulted? Why does the law not apply if you are called a bitch? What if I'm insulted by that law and it's infringement on my right to free speech? I hope the German translation is a lot more specific or it's a rather empty law that's open to exploitation. So you suggest we shouldn't have laws against battery, because it might be hard to say where the line goes between nudging someone and actually beating someone? Laws are hard to define so that they're 100% clear and set in stone, and many of them are up to interpretation to a certain degree. 1. an unlawful application of force 2. to the person of another 3. resulting in either bodily injury or an offensive touching. Laws are clear and set and stone otherwise they are poorly written. And FYI, if you don't get it, nudging someone accidentally is not offensive touching. How is ''an offensive touching'' clearly defined? XD You're trying to be a smart ass and it's not really working out for you. Offensive touching is qualified by the preceding requirement "an unlawful application of force", ergo, offensive touching would be an unlawful application of force not resulting in bodily injury. Also respect is another fundamental thing that you need to know in life, you could got to jail for disrespecting the court you know? so why not going to jail by disrespecting dead people? while searching for some specific definations about that german insulting law I found out we actually have that kind of law, too: Show nested quote +§ 189
Denigrating the memory of the dead
Whoever denigrates the memory of a deceased person shall be punished with imprisonment up to two years or a fine. We even got a law against insulting, even if the insult is proven to be right (§ 192 - Insult, despite proof of truth). We really are the kings of bureaucracy :p Google says you can go to jail for insulting someone in france too, don't know about the uk. Guess it's not that uncommon, is it?
There's a difference between defiling the dead and denigrating them. I'd hate to be in Germany although you do have those sick highways with no speed limits.
On September 14 2011 23:15 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 23:00 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:53 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:46 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Fir3fly wrote:oh god oh god. dont even get me started. all he needed was a banned from the facebook page.then it would've stoped and that would be it. and at any rate, what sort of mother makes a shitty facebook page in memoriam? thats more fucked up than what he did imo. this is honestly nothing but "hurr durr cyber bullies" if you guys think this is bad, you should've read some of the old archives of ED. (before it turned shithouse) some kid killed himself cause he lost his ipod = a bunch of people "hacked" into his myspace and made him the golden ipod award infront of all his friends and family. (its also where the phrase "an hero" came from) this is fucking pathetic and more proof of how the older people do not know about the younger technologies. we're literally in a fucked up time right now. and im going to end before i start up on freedom of speech. + Show Spoiler +hurr durr cant say how i feel cause i might hurt some retard's feelings :c :c :c :c what's your problem really? what he did was not merely a "troll", it was on another level of disrespect toward a dead person. Would you ever steps on the corpse of your dead grandfather? If you say yes, i have nothing more to say. I always have to laugh at this modern conception of "respect". Why are corpses and dead people venerated? On September 14 2011 22:46 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:38 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:26 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:24 Toadesstern wrote:take into consideration that this did not happen in the us guys... We all know you guys love freedom and most of you guys are more liberal than everyone else. However Insulting IS a crime in some places. I don't know what it's like in the us but reading this makes me think it isn't so I'm going to quote german law for example (cause I'm from ger). I know it did not happen in germany but I'm guessing we're not the only ones who got something like this in europe. First one is the german one, the second one is my rough translation: + Show Spoiler +§ 185 Beleidigung
Die Beleidigung wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu einem Jahr oder mit Geldstrafe und, wenn die Beleidigung mittels einer Tätlichkeit begangen wird, mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu zwei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft. § 185 Insultin
The act of Insulting is punished with (by?) prison sentence by up to one year or a fine. If this is happening as/with and act of violence it is punished with prison sentence by up to two years or a fine
So I don't see a problem here. It's not exactly common that those things get sued, dealt with or whatever you want to call it but I think it's perfectly fine. Basicly: If you're insulting for the purpose of insulting it's not ok. However, you obviously won't get sued if you call someone a bitch and even if it would happen, probably nothing would happen or you'd have to pay a fine. Never actually heard of someone going to jail for that kind of stuff. That's ridiculous. How do you define being insulted? Why does the law not apply if you are called a bitch? What if I'm insulted by that law and it's infringement on my right to free speech? I hope the German translation is a lot more specific or it's a rather empty law that's open to exploitation. So you suggest we shouldn't have laws against battery, because it might be hard to say where the line goes between nudging someone and actually beating someone? Laws are hard to define so that they're 100% clear and set in stone, and many of them are up to interpretation to a certain degree. 1. an unlawful application of force 2. to the person of another 3. resulting in either bodily injury or an offensive touching. Laws are clear and set and stone otherwise they are poorly written. And FYI, if you don't get it, nudging someone accidentally is not offensive touching. How is ''an offensive touching'' clearly defined? XD You're trying to be a smart ass and it's not really working out for you. Offensive touching is qualified by the preceding requirement "an unlawful application of force", ergo, offensive touching would be an unlawful application of force not resulting in bodily injury. And once again, how is ''unlawful application of force'' clearly defined? What amount of force does it take to reach the requirements? It isn't as simple as you may think. Just for you: http://www.ehow.com/about_5477305_unlawful-use-force.htmlIt really is simple. Generally you need a reason to use force, otherwise it's unlawful, and the severity of force also has to be reasonable (I can't attack you with a bat if you stand on my lawn if simply asking you to move on would work), otherwise it's unlawful. EDIT: Lol, I actually read the article and I pretty much repeat what it says about unlawful force. No, it isn't simple. Why do you think there are such extensive amount of studies required to work with legislation? It's is complicated stuff. It IS hard as fuck to define and decide what falls under illegal harassment or not, but that doesn't mean we should just let everything in that area slide. The attitude and lack of empathy of some people in this thread is saddening.
Wow, stop trying to fight. It's clearly written in law what the definition of battery is and the elements required to be proven are to take a case to court. With these German laws the only definition seems to be "insult or criticise someone" = jail.
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This is why TL mods need to rule the internet.
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On September 14 2011 23:09 Thorakh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 23:04 Fir3fly wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Cain0 wrote:
He's a fat little dwarf. He's probably just trying to make himself feel better by hurting others.
Also, 4 months isn't enough for what he did, I think it should be more like a year. im offended by your comment, i want you to go to jail for a year, i was left in shock and almost in tears from it. Grow the fuck up and realise that not everyone has an ironclad skin. Get some respect, honestly. Not every person can handle the most horrible verbal abuse you can think off. Great post Brett.
Its not about having ironclad skin, its about cutting your losses and not getting in a vulnerable situation.
you want internet? then you're going to have to deal with assholes.
you want to get anywhere in business? then you're going to have to deal with assholes.
you want to work in a pub? then you're going to have to deal with assholes.
you want to work as a policeman? then you're going to have to deal with assholes.
dont be such a moron.
:o, i called you a moron, are you going to cry about it? or are you going to think "hmm, he is an angry young man with clearly different morales and opinions than me" or "this is making me angry, i should ignore him before i get more angry"
the only way you'll ever get anywhere and learn anything is if you put away your tear-ducts and learn about other peoples opionions and morals.
Kids of today are growing up like pansys because "OH BETTER NOT HURT THE CHILDREN."
Also, i agree, it is a good post by Brett, sheding some light on the legality of it.
EDIT: so i dont have to double post.
im still at loss of words for the facebook memorium, i mean, that IS what drew attention to it.
what, did she want "50,000 [random] likes for my dead daughter plz"
we dont need that shit on facebook. and if she didnt put it up there then none of this would've happened.
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On September 14 2011 23:12 hypnoxide wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 23:09 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 23:07 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 23:05 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 22:46 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Fir3fly wrote:oh god oh god. dont even get me started. all he needed was a banned from the facebook page.then it would've stoped and that would be it. and at any rate, what sort of mother makes a shitty facebook page in memoriam? thats more fucked up than what he did imo. this is honestly nothing but "hurr durr cyber bullies" if you guys think this is bad, you should've read some of the old archives of ED. (before it turned shithouse) some kid killed himself cause he lost his ipod = a bunch of people "hacked" into his myspace and made him the golden ipod award infront of all his friends and family. (its also where the phrase "an hero" came from) this is fucking pathetic and more proof of how the older people do not know about the younger technologies. we're literally in a fucked up time right now. and im going to end before i start up on freedom of speech. + Show Spoiler +hurr durr cant say how i feel cause i might hurt some retard's feelings :c :c :c :c what's your problem really? what he did was not merely a "troll", it was on another level of disrespect toward a dead person. Would you ever steps on the corpse of your dead grandfather? If you say yes, i have nothing more to say. I always have to laugh at this modern conception of "respect". Why are corpses and dead people venerated? On September 14 2011 22:46 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:38 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:26 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:24 Toadesstern wrote:take into consideration that this did not happen in the us guys... We all know you guys love freedom and most of you guys are more liberal than everyone else. However Insulting IS a crime in some places. I don't know what it's like in the us but reading this makes me think it isn't so I'm going to quote german law for example (cause I'm from ger). I know it did not happen in germany but I'm guessing we're not the only ones who got something like this in europe. First one is the german one, the second one is my rough translation: + Show Spoiler +§ 185 Beleidigung
Die Beleidigung wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu einem Jahr oder mit Geldstrafe und, wenn die Beleidigung mittels einer Tätlichkeit begangen wird, mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu zwei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft. § 185 Insultin
The act of Insulting is punished with (by?) prison sentence by up to one year or a fine. If this is happening as/with and act of violence it is punished with prison sentence by up to two years or a fine
So I don't see a problem here. It's not exactly common that those things get sued, dealt with or whatever you want to call it but I think it's perfectly fine. Basicly: If you're insulting for the purpose of insulting it's not ok. However, you obviously won't get sued if you call someone a bitch and even if it would happen, probably nothing would happen or you'd have to pay a fine. Never actually heard of someone going to jail for that kind of stuff. That's ridiculous. How do you define being insulted? Why does the law not apply if you are called a bitch? What if I'm insulted by that law and it's infringement on my right to free speech? I hope the German translation is a lot more specific or it's a rather empty law that's open to exploitation. So you suggest we shouldn't have laws against battery, because it might be hard to say where the line goes between nudging someone and actually beating someone? Laws are hard to define so that they're 100% clear and set in stone, and many of them are up to interpretation to a certain degree. 1. an unlawful application of force 2. to the person of another 3. resulting in either bodily injury or an offensive touching. Laws are clear and set and stone otherwise they are poorly written. And FYI, if you don't get it, nudging someone accidentally is not offensive touching. How is ''an offensive touching'' clearly defined? XD You're trying to be a smart ass and it's not really working out for you. Offensive touching is qualified by the preceding requirement "an unlawful application of force", ergo, offensive touching would be an unlawful application of force not resulting in bodily injury. your response makes me lose hope in humanity I like how you clearly define why you feel that way. It lets me know your opinion is of worth. Nowadays the word "respect" is thrown around too often and people expect it to be automatically given instead of earned. your point sir? That I hope you don't expect me to dwell on your opinion if you can't justify or reason it. Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 23:09 Thorakh wrote:On September 14 2011 23:04 Fir3fly wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Cain0 wrote:
He's a fat little dwarf. He's probably just trying to make himself feel better by hurting others.
Also, 4 months isn't enough for what he did, I think it should be more like a year. im offended by your comment, i want you to go to jail for a year, i was left in shock and almost in tears from it. Grow the fuck up and realise that not everyone has an ironclad skin. Get some respect, honestly. Not every person can handle the most horrible verbal abuse you can think off. Great post Brett. Hell yeah. Be sanctimonious, take the moral high ground and insult people just like those you're getting mad about. Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 23:11 Brett wrote:On September 14 2011 23:04 Fir3fly wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Cain0 wrote:
He's a fat little dwarf. He's probably just trying to make himself feel better by hurting others.
Also, 4 months isn't enough for what he did, I think it should be more like a year. im offended by your comment, i want you to go to jail for a year, i was left in shock and almost in tears from it. Don't be stupid. Gain an understanding of the offence and the state of the law, or you should probably stay out of this discussion. Your overexaggeration is not assisting you in making any relevant counter argument. No, the point being made is that people feel insulted and become offended for different things. What if he was legitimately upset about the comments posted? The definition being so flimsy and people getting insulted by an array of different things make this so ridiculous.
The obvious and relevan counter point which largely settles this issue and makes his point stupid is that the law and the experience of the people making law has not come down in the last shower. Law makers in this instance and many others world wide have seen fit to make it illegal to make malicious communications to others via various means. What constitutes a malicious communication is determined either by statutorily defined limits or CENTURIES of case law being interpreted by experienced practitioners of the law.
Do not sit here and try to argue that it is reasonable for Fir3fly to be 'offended, shocked, and almost in tears' for this man to be called a fat little dwarf, the law and those charged with upholding it are not so daft. And please dont sit there and insinuate that that one comment correlates to the parents of deceased children receiving continued communications designed (or at the very least known or understood) to illicit such emotional reaction... Your arguments are weak enough as it is.
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On September 14 2011 23:21 Fir3fly wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 23:09 Thorakh wrote:On September 14 2011 23:04 Fir3fly wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Cain0 wrote:
He's a fat little dwarf. He's probably just trying to make himself feel better by hurting others.
Also, 4 months isn't enough for what he did, I think it should be more like a year. im offended by your comment, i want you to go to jail for a year, i was left in shock and almost in tears from it. Grow the fuck up and realise that not everyone has an ironclad skin. Get some respect, honestly. Not every person can handle the most horrible verbal abuse you can think off. Great post Brett. Its not about having ironclad skin, its about cutting your losses and not getting in a vulnerable situation. you want internet? then you're going to have to deal with assholes. you want to get anywhere in business? then you're going to have to deal with assholes. you want to work in a pub? then you're going to have to deal with assholes. you want to work as a policeman? then you're going to have to deal with assholes. dont be such a moron. :o, i called you a moron, are you going to cry about it? or are you going to think "hmm, he is an angry young man with clearly different morales and opinions than me" or "this is making me angry, i should ignore him before i get more angry" the only way you'll ever get anywhere and learn anything is if you put away your tear-ducts and learn about other peoples opionions and morals. Kids of today are growing up like pansys because "OH BETTER NOT HURT THE CHILDREN." Also, i agree, it is a good post by Brett, sheding some light on the legality of it.
you might also take the results of his trolls into consideration, let's say there are two men, one attempted murder a person and one actually killed a person, the one who only attempted murder will always get a lower consequences. Let's apply it into this situation, if the man in the story troll the mother, but she was not offended and let it slide, nothing will happens, but if she was offended (which she was) then consequences will be carry out to the man, it is just the way it works, which better than banning every single trolls like you suggested
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On September 14 2011 23:05 Conti wrote:
To all those above who say "So? This is the internet, this happens all the time. Get used to it":
Get. A. Fucking. Life.
Seriously.
If you are so far disconnected from reality that you think that there should be no action taken against someone who repeatedly and intentionally seeks out grieving family members to insult them, then you really, seriously need to turn off the computer more often to interact with the real world.
Your insinuation that I don't have a life is very insulting and inflammatory towards me and by another poster from your countries definition of your legal system is against the law where you are from. I'll see you in court.
On September 14 2011 23:08 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 22:44 HereticSaint wrote:On September 14 2011 22:33 krews wrote:On September 14 2011 22:24 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On September 14 2011 22:03 Chargelot wrote:On September 14 2011 21:53 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On September 14 2011 21:36 arbitrageur wrote:On September 14 2011 21:33 ElPeque.fogata wrote:
he is an asshole.
but what the fuck. just close his account and be done with it.
jail? wtf Your solution is not well thought out. The guy can make another account, or go to an internet cafe and do it there. So be it, close the new account. as it happens with hackers on battle.net. And go to privacy settings and dissalow him from contacting you or whatever. Ignore him, then it is not fun anymore and he moves on. There are so many trolls because trolled people are usually pretty retarded dealing with it. Jail for insulting? You take freedom away from being verbaly offensive? Oh yeah, we are much more human than him. Verbal offense is a very fuzzy area. Will you include making fun of religion? God damnit we live in a fascist world. There is the left, the right, but in the end we are all fascists. In all fairness, he didn't challenge the laws, or the right of the state to prosecute him. He pleaded guilty. If he didn't, it would have been just worse for him. Yet, so what? He probably knows unless he is just too crazy he is "guilty" of being an absolute asshole. The question is wether it makes any sense sending somebody to jail just for being an asshole and making someone else feel bad. If i cheat on my girlfriend and then leave her for her best friend and tell her i couldn't stand being with a girl with such a fat ass, and so then she commits suicide because of it, should i be sent to jail? There is no doubt i would be an absolute asshole and caused a huge ammount of pain, but should i be sent to jail? people are making the dumbest comparisons ive ever seen. how is downloading music and breaking up with your girlfriend comparable to making fun of a dead girl to her mother? seriously? a·nal·o·gy noun /əˈnaləjē/ analogies, plural 1. A comparison between two things, typically on the basis of their structure and for the purpose of explanation or clarification * - an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies * - he interprets logical functions by analogy with machines 2. A correspondence or partial similarity He knows what an analogy is, friend. The fact is that it's a fucking terrible analogy. If you break up with your girlfriend and tell her the reason why once, and she then runs off and kills herself, you are not responsible for her death. On the other hand, to more readily establish the proper analogy, if you break up with your girlfriend by verbally abusing the shit out of her, accosting her for all her faults, spend the next few weeks showing up at her house/work/favourite places so that you can harass her about how terrible a person she is/how ugly you now find her, go out of your way to put yourself and the new girlfriend in front of her to increase her discomfort, write letters to her friends to tell them how shit she is in bed, etc etc.... then you would have the intent to harass and cause harm through your actions. That is what this guy did. This is not just being an asshole. This is a concerted effort to harass and evoke specific reactions. To cause apprehension, discomfort and pain. It can and does result in psychological harm. THIS IS A CRIMINAL OFFENCE IN THEIR JURISDICTION. And is in many others (such as my own). Freedom of speech is not absolute. It has not been for centuries. It is not a shield for dickheads to hide behind when they commit criminal offences. Prime example: Threat to kill. A threat to kill can be just words too. But they are words which for centuries have been prohibited. Want further examples? s474.17 http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/claoaoma22004729/sch1.htmlFurther, it would appear that there were other uncharged acts present on his indictment which the presiding judge was required, and indeed requested by defence counsel, to take into account. This is not some sort of shithead behaviour in isolation. Although, as a defence lawyer myself, there was a part of that article which seemed rather nonsensical to me.. "Duffy's lawyer Lance Whiteford said: "In terms of mitigation there is none. I cannot imagine the trauma and anxiety caused to the families of these horrible, despicable offences."
She said his condition meant he was not aware of the effect he was having on his victims."If his condition affects his perception of the consequences of his offending, then typically that would be a mitigatory factor...
Here's the thing man, I completely understand why in an otherwise utopian society this would be such a big deal, however we aren't in such a society. I understand laws and how laws and laws and if you break them you should be punished (Again, whether this should be punishable is another issue), however that isn't the direct issue here. The direct issue here is this is such a rampant problem, (AKA: If I game online not a day goes by that I don't get a death threat, mocked about someone in my family dying, attacks that are racist or homophobic in nature, etc) that when you get down to the nitty gritty of it, you aren't going to stop it or really even slow it down by prosecuting one individual.
Either ramp it up, or knock it off and I'm inclined to say knock it off when you consider that there are a million other larger issues that could use those funds in a better way but instead are being wasted on this issue which has methods of stopping it or at least significantly slowing it down already, such as banning the accounts and or IP's of the individuals, are there ways around it? Sure, at least until those start getting circumvented this shouldn't even be considered a "maybe" court issue.
That's also neglecting his Aspergers.
On September 14 2011 23:26 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 23:12 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 23:09 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 23:07 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 23:05 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 22:46 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Fir3fly wrote:oh god oh god. dont even get me started. all he needed was a banned from the facebook page.then it would've stoped and that would be it. and at any rate, what sort of mother makes a shitty facebook page in memoriam? thats more fucked up than what he did imo. this is honestly nothing but "hurr durr cyber bullies" if you guys think this is bad, you should've read some of the old archives of ED. (before it turned shithouse) some kid killed himself cause he lost his ipod = a bunch of people "hacked" into his myspace and made him the golden ipod award infront of all his friends and family. (its also where the phrase "an hero" came from) this is fucking pathetic and more proof of how the older people do not know about the younger technologies. we're literally in a fucked up time right now. and im going to end before i start up on freedom of speech. + Show Spoiler +hurr durr cant say how i feel cause i might hurt some retard's feelings :c :c :c :c what's your problem really? what he did was not merely a "troll", it was on another level of disrespect toward a dead person. Would you ever steps on the corpse of your dead grandfather? If you say yes, i have nothing more to say. I always have to laugh at this modern conception of "respect". Why are corpses and dead people venerated? On September 14 2011 22:46 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:38 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:26 hypnoxide wrote:
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That's ridiculous. How do you define being insulted? Why does the law not apply if you are called a bitch? What if I'm insulted by that law and it's infringement on my right to free speech? I hope the German translation is a lot more specific or it's a rather empty law that's open to exploitation.
So you suggest we shouldn't have laws against battery, because it might be hard to say where the line goes between nudging someone and actually beating someone? Laws are hard to define so that they're 100% clear and set in stone, and many of them are up to interpretation to a certain degree. 1. an unlawful application of force 2. to the person of another 3. resulting in either bodily injury or an offensive touching. Laws are clear and set and stone otherwise they are poorly written. And FYI, if you don't get it, nudging someone accidentally is not offensive touching. How is ''an offensive touching'' clearly defined? XD You're trying to be a smart ass and it's not really working out for you. Offensive touching is qualified by the preceding requirement "an unlawful application of force", ergo, offensive touching would be an unlawful application of force not resulting in bodily injury. your response makes me lose hope in humanity I like how you clearly define why you feel that way. It lets me know your opinion is of worth. Nowadays the word "respect" is thrown around too often and people expect it to be automatically given instead of earned. your point sir? That I hope you don't expect me to dwell on your opinion if you can't justify or reason it. On September 14 2011 23:09 Thorakh wrote:On September 14 2011 23:04 Fir3fly wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Cain0 wrote:
He's a fat little dwarf. He's probably just trying to make himself feel better by hurting others.
Also, 4 months isn't enough for what he did, I think it should be more like a year. im offended by your comment, i want you to go to jail for a year, i was left in shock and almost in tears from it. Grow the fuck up and realise that not everyone has an ironclad skin. Get some respect, honestly. Not every person can handle the most horrible verbal abuse you can think off. Great post Brett. Hell yeah. Be sanctimonious, take the moral high ground and insult people just like those you're getting mad about. On September 14 2011 23:11 Brett wrote:On September 14 2011 23:04 Fir3fly wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Cain0 wrote:
He's a fat little dwarf. He's probably just trying to make himself feel better by hurting others.
Also, 4 months isn't enough for what he did, I think it should be more like a year. im offended by your comment, i want you to go to jail for a year, i was left in shock and almost in tears from it. Don't be stupid. Gain an understanding of the offence and the state of the law, or you should probably stay out of this discussion. Your overexaggeration is not assisting you in making any relevant counter argument. No, the point being made is that people feel insulted and become offended for different things. What if he was legitimately upset about the comments posted? The definition being so flimsy and people getting insulted by an array of different things make this so ridiculous. The obvious and relevan counter point which largely settles this issue and makes his point stupid is that the law and the experience of the people making law has not come down in the last shower. Law makers in this instance and many others world wide have seen fit to make it illegal to make malicious communications to others via various means. What constitutes a malicious communication is determined either by statutorily defined limits or CENTURIES of case law being interpreted by experienced practitioners of the law. Do not sit here and try to argue that it is reasonable for Fir3fly to be 'offended, shocked, and almost in tears' for this man to be called a fat little dwarf, the law and those charged with upholding it are not so daft. And please dont sit there and insinuate that that one comment correlates to the parents of deceased children receiving continued communications designed (or at the very least known or understood) to illicit such emotional reaction... Your arguments are weak enough as it is.
All I'm going to say regarding you is that your side of the debate already appears to be the minority and yet you are contradicting one another in what seems every other post, you say it's "centuries of case law" and yet someone else says "it's because the mother was offended". Well bub, until every single troll is going to court you're wrong.
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dont be such a moron.
:o, i called you a moron, are you going to cry about it? or are you going to think "hmm, he is an angry young man with clearly different morales and opinions than me" or "this is making me angry, i should ignore him before i get more angry"
the only way you'll ever get anywhere and learn anything is if you put away your tear-ducts and learn about other peoples opionions and morals. There is a difference between calling me a moron or saying my dead mother is a slut, and flat out harassing me about my dead daughter. How the fuck does this has anything to do with "other peoples opionions and morals."?
And please dont sit there and insinuate that that one comment correlates to the parents of deceased children receiving continued communications designed (or at the very least known or understood) to illicit such emotional reaction... ^
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what about combatex and deezer
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On September 14 2011 23:26 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 23:12 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 23:09 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 23:07 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 23:05 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 22:46 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 brachester wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Fir3fly wrote:oh god oh god. dont even get me started. all he needed was a banned from the facebook page.then it would've stoped and that would be it. and at any rate, what sort of mother makes a shitty facebook page in memoriam? thats more fucked up than what he did imo. this is honestly nothing but "hurr durr cyber bullies" if you guys think this is bad, you should've read some of the old archives of ED. (before it turned shithouse) some kid killed himself cause he lost his ipod = a bunch of people "hacked" into his myspace and made him the golden ipod award infront of all his friends and family. (its also where the phrase "an hero" came from) this is fucking pathetic and more proof of how the older people do not know about the younger technologies. we're literally in a fucked up time right now. and im going to end before i start up on freedom of speech. + Show Spoiler +hurr durr cant say how i feel cause i might hurt some retard's feelings :c :c :c :c what's your problem really? what he did was not merely a "troll", it was on another level of disrespect toward a dead person. Would you ever steps on the corpse of your dead grandfather? If you say yes, i have nothing more to say. I always have to laugh at this modern conception of "respect". Why are corpses and dead people venerated? On September 14 2011 22:46 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:44 hypnoxide wrote:On September 14 2011 22:38 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 22:26 hypnoxide wrote:
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That's ridiculous. How do you define being insulted? Why does the law not apply if you are called a bitch? What if I'm insulted by that law and it's infringement on my right to free speech? I hope the German translation is a lot more specific or it's a rather empty law that's open to exploitation.
So you suggest we shouldn't have laws against battery, because it might be hard to say where the line goes between nudging someone and actually beating someone? Laws are hard to define so that they're 100% clear and set in stone, and many of them are up to interpretation to a certain degree. 1. an unlawful application of force 2. to the person of another 3. resulting in either bodily injury or an offensive touching. Laws are clear and set and stone otherwise they are poorly written. And FYI, if you don't get it, nudging someone accidentally is not offensive touching. How is ''an offensive touching'' clearly defined? XD You're trying to be a smart ass and it's not really working out for you. Offensive touching is qualified by the preceding requirement "an unlawful application of force", ergo, offensive touching would be an unlawful application of force not resulting in bodily injury. your response makes me lose hope in humanity I like how you clearly define why you feel that way. It lets me know your opinion is of worth. Nowadays the word "respect" is thrown around too often and people expect it to be automatically given instead of earned. your point sir? That I hope you don't expect me to dwell on your opinion if you can't justify or reason it. On September 14 2011 23:09 Thorakh wrote:On September 14 2011 23:04 Fir3fly wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Cain0 wrote:
He's a fat little dwarf. He's probably just trying to make himself feel better by hurting others.
Also, 4 months isn't enough for what he did, I think it should be more like a year. im offended by your comment, i want you to go to jail for a year, i was left in shock and almost in tears from it. Grow the fuck up and realise that not everyone has an ironclad skin. Get some respect, honestly. Not every person can handle the most horrible verbal abuse you can think off. Great post Brett. Hell yeah. Be sanctimonious, take the moral high ground and insult people just like those you're getting mad about. On September 14 2011 23:11 Brett wrote:On September 14 2011 23:04 Fir3fly wrote:On September 14 2011 22:28 Cain0 wrote:
He's a fat little dwarf. He's probably just trying to make himself feel better by hurting others.
Also, 4 months isn't enough for what he did, I think it should be more like a year. im offended by your comment, i want you to go to jail for a year, i was left in shock and almost in tears from it. Don't be stupid. Gain an understanding of the offence and the state of the law, or you should probably stay out of this discussion. Your overexaggeration is not assisting you in making any relevant counter argument. No, the point being made is that people feel insulted and become offended for different things. What if he was legitimately upset about the comments posted? The definition being so flimsy and people getting insulted by an array of different things make this so ridiculous. The obvious and relevan counter point which largely settles this issue and makes his point stupid is that the law and the experience of the people making law has not come down in the last shower. Law makers in this instance and many others world wide have seen fit to make it illegal to make malicious communications to others via various means. What constitutes a malicious communication is determined either by statutorily defined limits or CENTURIES of case law being interpreted by experienced practitioners of the law. Do not sit here and try to argue that it is reasonable for Fir3fly to be 'offended, shocked, and almost in tears' for this man to be called a fat little dwarf, the law and those charged with upholding it are not so daft. And please dont sit there and insinuate that that one comment correlates to the parents of deceased children receiving continued communications designed (or at the very least known or understood) to illicit such emotional reaction... Your arguments are weak enough as it is.
I never said he was justified in his over-exaggeration, I was saying that the German law posted by the user (whose name I don't remember) was open to interpretation and, in my opinion it is thus a poor law. If every moron thinks they can seek legal recourse because some asshole insulted them on the internet it would likely result in a slowed down justice system which is, depending on where you are from, slow enough as it is. Just because a legal practitioner isn't completely stupid and knows that it has no grounds doesn't mean that some random on the street is going to know that.
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