On September 02 2011 06:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Amazing that the GOP field is getting more extreme by the day and actually works in garnering support. Also here is Santorum.
Wow. Was that a high school student that hard-countered Santorum's cheesy strategy? That was really sad that a politician was really that anti-science and anti-intellectual x.x
Yes, his group of religious people prove a solid moral ground, but experts in psychology can't show any sort of evidence as to how people think or how families behave :: rolls eyes :: Can't stand this man.
On September 02 2011 06:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Amazing that the GOP field is getting more extreme by the day and actually works in garnering support. Also here is Santorum.
Oh god. If politicians are so anti-intellectual, and these said politicians have such a significant number of followers, how could a nation that harbours such leaders and followers move in any direction besides a downward spiral?
My hope is that this is simply a case of whoever shouts loudest gets heard. It seems that being flashy and pandering to the ill-informed masses is what gets you the airtime, and the exposure(See RPs invisible campaign). Who knows, maybe one of these guys will go one step too far and blow the whole tea-party shenanigans out of the water?
I have to agree with you about being anti-intellectual. There is nothing wrong with not being the sharpest spoon in the drawer, but if intellectual jealously means you stop listening to experts than the country has a real problem.
Sadly we have a similar thing happening down here...
On September 02 2011 06:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Amazing that the GOP field is getting more extreme by the day and actually works in garnering support. Also here is Santorum.
Wow. Was that a high school student that hard-countered Santorum's cheesy strategy? That was really sad that a politician was really that anti-science and anti-intellectual x.x
Yes, his group of religious people prove a solid moral ground, but experts in psychology can't show any sort of evidence as to how people think or how families behave :: rolls eyes :: Can't stand this man.
Rofl, agreed
"The American Psychological Association is just a group of people that agree with you"
Michelle Bachmann level quote right there. Thank god he has no chance of getting elected
As soon as you hear the phrase 'the breakdown of the family' you know the politician is a Christian meathead. If you actually read the New Testament Jesus was actually pretty anti-family.
On September 02 2011 06:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Amazing that the GOP field is getting more extreme by the day and actually works in garnering support. Also here is Santorum.
Wow. Was that a high school student that hard-countered Santorum's cheesy strategy? That was really sad that a politician was really that anti-science and anti-intellectual x.x
Yes, his group of religious people prove a solid moral ground, but experts in psychology can't show any sort of evidence as to how people think or how families behave :: rolls eyes :: Can't stand this man.
He got owned so hard. All it takes to trounce one of these religious morons is just one person with a functioning brain.
And Piers Morgan is completely right, he is a bigot.
On September 01 2011 19:42 Sufficiency wrote: My feeling right now is that Romney is a good competitor to Obama, since Romney is somewhat moderate and can probably attract the swing voters. However, he is not very likely to go through the nominations, since:
- Tea Party does not like him; - Religious conservatives do not like him; - Social conservatives do not like him;
I think he should have ran as Democrat or independent. Hahaha.
When the base of your own party doesn't like you and neither really does the opposing party, you're either a reasonable person or you're a very reasonable person.
Time to look into his views I guess,don't actually know anything about the guy
Except he isn't, you should have seen him when he was the governor of Massachusetts.
Firstly, he did an okay job with the health care system here, but after he left, he's been constantly denying that it was his system. Weird. I'll give him credit for not fouling that up though.
Secondly, and here's the major issue, every time he was asked for his opinion about something or was asked to sign something, he would bring up his religion and explain how it didn't fit with is religion and he couldn't sign it or that it did fit and he would sign it for that reason. He can't keep his religion separate.
Thirdly, he jumped to the exact opposite of his campaign promises a few times after he got elected.
I don't understand how people can want someone that thinks this way leading the country.
I don't care how religious you are, it's in the fucking constitution that church and state are to be kept separate.
Makes me sick seeing these people constantly using religion as a crutch/excuse to do whatever they want
I 100% agree with you Orb. And the reason they can want someone like this to lead the country is that their religion is important to them, so they want all policy decisions to be based on their religion. Which is also disgusting, but that's the way uneducated people think.
Just watched the interview again and Piers could have nailed him near the end when he says the Bible is morally right but follows up that "right and wrongs change due to different eras of time" statement.
Man what an asshole and an idiot. "Nature's Law." What is that even supposed to mean anyway?
That hopefully he is sterile...
That was harsh but this guy really should not reproduce. Nature's law only works if the healthy out compete the unfit. But of course he doesn't believe in that law so all is good.
On September 02 2011 10:19 Probulous wrote: My hope is that this is simply a case of whoever shouts loudest gets heard. It seems that being flashy and pandering to the ill-informed masses is what gets you the airtime, and the exposure(See RPs invisible campaign). Who knows, maybe one of these guys will go one step too far and blow the whole tea-party shenanigans out of the water?
I have to agree with you about being anti-intellectual. There is nothing wrong with not being the sharpest spoon in the drawer, but if intellectual jealously means you stop listening to experts than the country has a real problem.
Sadly we have a similar thing happening down here...
We have at least some reason to believe this extremist movement is already burning itself out. Look at the US economy right now - it's shit. Obama's approval rating is around 40%, which is quite poor. Yet in the polls, he consistently beats Bachmann head to head and is basically tied with Perry (who while holding comparable views as Bachmann, doesn't have the pages and pages of trolltastic quotes attributed to him). If the Republicans' message was popular, or even palpable, these candidates should be able to win a similar number of electoral votes as what Obama got in 2008, as it's a very similar situation for the incumbent party. In 2012, maybe Obama wins, maybe a Tea Partier wins. It could go either way, and tbh I think it'll end up being Perry just as a gut feeling. But however frightening that may seem to moderate/liberal Americans and to most of the rest of the world, it's just 4 years. It can't be that much worse than the last half-decade has been.
Then what happens when these Tea Partiers run against somebody who isn't the incumbent president having to run on the worst US economy in 70 years? No contest. Also people under the age of 30 aren't buying into this extreme social conservatism thing (while younger people tend to be less socially conservative every generation, the Democratic PVI of current voters under 30 has become much higher than it was a decade ago)... the GOP will be forced to become more moderate on social issues, probably stop denying evolution and being anti-gay at the very least, and when that happens I kinda think that by default their more "managerial" balance-the-budget types will restore balance to the party.
Maybe that's optimistic, but I don't think running on a platform of hate and scientific ignorance is going to play well in future elections. The internet actually seems to be helping to stamp out that stuff from the upcoming generations.
It's so weird to be in here and have nearly everyone agree that the majority of what these candidates say and do is absolutely insane and mind boggling, and yet a great number of citizens actually agree with them. We as a community are probably not a good representation of the average voter. Just a thought.
I lost whatever shred of respect I had for Santorum after watching that vid. He's making petty insults and irrelevant points to distract from the fact that he has no defense against the actual issue. It's aggravating.
On September 02 2011 19:09 Barleyarley wrote: I hope this doesn't come off as 'Ameriphobic', but why are so many of your politicians so bat-shit crazy?
Mass amounts of macarthy-era brainwashing+freedom brigade(the likes of which you'd expect to read about in Catch-22)+newsmedia being a propaganda machine for one side+culture of poorly educated, fearful regressives+apathy from those who know better=people like sarah palin, bachmann, perry being politically successful.
Just watched the interview again and Piers could have nailed him near the end when he says the Bible is morally right but follows up that "right and wrongs change due to different eras of time" statement.
The first five minutes of this interview kind of made me go "Well this dude actually sounds perfectly reasonable, what´s the issue here?" But then the last minute and a half and later that argument with the highschooler posted above cemented him in my mind as a complete idiot. And that´s putting it nicely. I just can´t understand these people, I try to but I can´t.
Just watched the interview again and Piers could have nailed him near the end when he says the Bible is morally right but follows up that "right and wrongs change due to different eras of time" statement.
The first five minutes of this interview kind of made me go "Well this dude actually sounds perfectly reasonable, what´s the issue here?" But then the last minute and a half and later that argument with the highschooler posted above cemented him in my mind as a complete idiot. And that´s putting it nicely. I just can´t understand these people, I try to but I can´t.
Agreed.
"How can you call me a bigot just because I prescribe to a certain moral view?"
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I hate to be the one proving Godwin's Law, but even the Nazis had a moral code... lol Having a moral code =/= not being a bigot. Santorum doesn't seem to understand that. And he started off that interview with Piers pretty well, imo.
On September 02 2011 19:09 Barleyarley wrote: I hope this doesn't come off as 'Ameriphobic', but why are so many of your politicians so bat-shit crazy?
Because they have the best propaganda, together with the fact that since the 1920's there is and was a massive attack on everything leftist. (red scare, mccarthy, "liberal media", the attacks on obama, etc. blabla) Also the fact that the american unions are weak and have problems in itself. Because of this (partly) right-wing positions are much more centered in American society as a whole.
Man his views on right and wrong are soooooo infantile. What is truth and right obviously changes based on the society we live in. Bloody vengeance ("Blutrache", I don't found the english expression for it) was for a long time accepted and normal, but nowadays, if I kill your whole family because you killed my brother I am going to jail because it is not accepted. Social norms are changing and dependant on the surrounding society....
edit2: Or a more recent example is racism in the south and it's perception.
That interview with the highschooler is so stupid. With his view nothing is ever proof because everything is just people saying something. What a goddam moron.
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