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A3th3r
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
United States319 Posts
January 04 2018 19:30 GMT
#2921
NASA, much like studying at a state university, is expensive & of questionable value. That being said, only the government can afford to be that experimental so I guess it's good that it exists just for the dream of space travel
stale trite schlub
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 05 2018 01:04 GMT
#2922


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17148 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-06 20:17:05
January 06 2018 20:11 GMT
#2923
Apollo astronaut John Young died.
i think he was on Apollo 16 and walked on the moon. he was 87.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 08 2018 18:14 GMT
#2924


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-09 05:17:22
January 09 2018 05:16 GMT
#2925
The rumor mill is saying that Zuma was lost.
An expensive, highly classified U.S. spy satellite is presumed to be a total loss after it failed to reach orbit atop a Space Exploration Technologies Corp. rocket on Sunday, according to industry and government officials.

Lawmakers and congressional staffers from the Senate and the House have been briefed about the botched mission, some of the officials said. The secret payload—code-named Zuma and launched from Florida on board a Falcon 9 rocket—is believed to have plummeted back into the atmosphere, they said, because it didn’t separate as planned from the upper part of the rocket.

Once the engine powering the rocket’s expendable second stage stops firing, whatever it is carrying is supposed to separate and proceed on its own trajectory. If a satellite isn’t set free at the right time or is damaged upon release, it can be dragged back toward earth.

The lack of details about what occurred means that some possible alternate sequence of events other than a failed separation may have been the culprit.

www.wsj.com

No one's talking, though. Everything is classified and no one gives a straight answer out of the usual sources.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2674 Posts
January 09 2018 06:53 GMT
#2926
So who would be paying for that? Can you insure super secret spy sats? Or does NG have to build a new one free of charge? Given that its the goverment I assume that its going to be the tax payers money but you never know
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 09 2018 06:58 GMT
#2927
All of those things depend on the contract and on what actually happened. Though rule of thumb in situations like this is that Congress is probably going to eat the lion's share of the cost and whoever is responsible will pay some significant penalties. NG definitely won't be on the hook for a full new satellite.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 09 2018 11:41 GMT
#2928
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4186 Posts
January 09 2018 12:58 GMT
#2929
On January 09 2018 14:16 LegalLord wrote:
The rumor mill is saying that Zuma was lost.
Show nested quote +
An expensive, highly classified U.S. spy satellite is presumed to be a total loss after it failed to reach orbit atop a Space Exploration Technologies Corp. rocket on Sunday, according to industry and government officials.

Lawmakers and congressional staffers from the Senate and the House have been briefed about the botched mission, some of the officials said. The secret payload—code-named Zuma and launched from Florida on board a Falcon 9 rocket—is believed to have plummeted back into the atmosphere, they said, because it didn’t separate as planned from the upper part of the rocket.

Once the engine powering the rocket’s expendable second stage stops firing, whatever it is carrying is supposed to separate and proceed on its own trajectory. If a satellite isn’t set free at the right time or is damaged upon release, it can be dragged back toward earth.

The lack of details about what occurred means that some possible alternate sequence of events other than a failed separation may have been the culprit.

www.wsj.com

No one's talking, though. Everything is classified and no one gives a straight answer out of the usual sources.

Is it possible they want to spread misinformation so people forget about the super secret satelite?
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 09 2018 13:06 GMT
#2930
Northrup Grumman did the mating and SpaceX was not allowed to perform satellite preparation.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-09 13:20:54
January 09 2018 13:20 GMT
#2931
On January 09 2018 21:58 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2018 14:16 LegalLord wrote:
The rumor mill is saying that Zuma was lost.
An expensive, highly classified U.S. spy satellite is presumed to be a total loss after it failed to reach orbit atop a Space Exploration Technologies Corp. rocket on Sunday, according to industry and government officials.

Lawmakers and congressional staffers from the Senate and the House have been briefed about the botched mission, some of the officials said. The secret payload—code-named Zuma and launched from Florida on board a Falcon 9 rocket—is believed to have plummeted back into the atmosphere, they said, because it didn’t separate as planned from the upper part of the rocket.

Once the engine powering the rocket’s expendable second stage stops firing, whatever it is carrying is supposed to separate and proceed on its own trajectory. If a satellite isn’t set free at the right time or is damaged upon release, it can be dragged back toward earth.

The lack of details about what occurred means that some possible alternate sequence of events other than a failed separation may have been the culprit.

www.wsj.com

No one's talking, though. Everything is classified and no one gives a straight answer out of the usual sources.

Is it possible they want to spread misinformation so people forget about the super secret satelite?

Not in the slightest. The problem is that any sufficiently dedicated group of hobbyists with a telescope can track it when you can literally just see it in the sky, much less the kinds of intelligence agencies that would actually care about a spysat.

On January 09 2018 22:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Northrup Grumman did the mating and SpaceX was not allowed to perform satellite preparation.

That's the current blame game going on right now, yes.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 09 2018 13:24 GMT
#2932
On January 09 2018 22:20 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2018 21:58 lestye wrote:
On January 09 2018 14:16 LegalLord wrote:
The rumor mill is saying that Zuma was lost.
An expensive, highly classified U.S. spy satellite is presumed to be a total loss after it failed to reach orbit atop a Space Exploration Technologies Corp. rocket on Sunday, according to industry and government officials.

Lawmakers and congressional staffers from the Senate and the House have been briefed about the botched mission, some of the officials said. The secret payload—code-named Zuma and launched from Florida on board a Falcon 9 rocket—is believed to have plummeted back into the atmosphere, they said, because it didn’t separate as planned from the upper part of the rocket.

Once the engine powering the rocket’s expendable second stage stops firing, whatever it is carrying is supposed to separate and proceed on its own trajectory. If a satellite isn’t set free at the right time or is damaged upon release, it can be dragged back toward earth.

The lack of details about what occurred means that some possible alternate sequence of events other than a failed separation may have been the culprit.

www.wsj.com

No one's talking, though. Everything is classified and no one gives a straight answer out of the usual sources.

Is it possible they want to spread misinformation so people forget about the super secret satelite?

Not in the slightest. The problem is that any sufficiently dedicated group of hobbyists with a telescope can track it when you can literally just see it in the sky, much less the kinds of intelligence agencies that would actually care about a spysat.

Show nested quote +
On January 09 2018 22:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Northrup Grumman did the mating and SpaceX was not allowed to perform satellite preparation.

That's the current blame game going on right now, yes.



"While the precise cost of the launch contract has not been divulged, it is known that the Zuma payload was not processed in any of SpaceX’s payload processing facilities."


Veteran aerospace manufacturer Northrop Grumman built the payload, according to a document obtained by WIRED and later confirmed by the company. The company says it built Zuma for the US government, and it’s also providing an adapter to mate Zuma with SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rocket."


https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2018/01/spacex-falcon-9-launch-clandestine-zuma-satellite/

https://www.wired.com/story/spacexs-top-secret-zuma-mission-launches-today/
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 09 2018 13:27 GMT
#2933
Yes, that's the way it's being spun as a preliminary way to try to show that it wasn't SpaceX's fault that something went wrong. Let's see what leaks we get from the actual investigation when it happens.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 09 2018 14:36 GMT
#2934
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 09 2018 14:38 GMT
#2935
WASHINGTON — The White House formally resubmitted nominations for leaders of both NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to the Senate Jan. 8, a procedural move even as the path to their confirmations becomes narrower.

The administration announced late Jan. 8 that the nominations of Jim Bridenstine to be administrator of NASA and Barry Myers to be administrator NOAA were being resubmitted to the Senate, along with several dozen other nominees for government positions. Also included in the list was Jeffrey DeWit, who was first nominated Nov. 29 to be chief financial officer of NASA.

The resubmitted nominations are a procedural move. The Senate, under its rules, returns nominations to the president at the end of its first session if they have not been either confirmed or rejected by the full Senate, unless the Senate agrees by unanimous consent to keep the nominations active. The president must resubmit the nomination if he still wants the Senate to consider them.

spacenews.com

Nominations are party-line at this point. Probably dubious administrative choices.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 09 2018 19:09 GMT
#2936
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4186 Posts
January 09 2018 19:55 GMT
#2937


China says Zuma failure is fake news.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 09 2018 20:04 GMT
#2938
Sounds like the exact opposite of what they’re saying?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9009 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-09 20:51:54
January 09 2018 20:48 GMT
#2939
No, that's right LL. China is calling the loss fake. While an expert, presumably in the US, is saying China is wrong in calling it fake.

(replace China with Rumors)
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 09 2018 21:06 GMT
#2940
The Chinese news agency links the story that cites that it isn't possible. Where is the claim being made by China or some Chinese representative that it's fake, because it's not in the twit up there?

I mean I saw plenty of internet hobbyists say it's like that, but no one should take that seriously. Nowhere in the article does it say that the Chinese government called it fake, it's just cited as a scenario considered.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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