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Rio de Janeiro on the edge of Civil War - Page 14
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
And the only way to do that is legalizing them in someway. | ||
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Krikkitone
United States1451 Posts
On November 28 2010 09:43 D10 wrote: I honestly agree with you DamnCats, there will always be violent drug lords raising to the ocasion, the only way to stop it, is to stop making drugs an option of profit to criminals. And the only way to do that is legalizing them in someway. If there are ANY illegal activities there will Always be a market for illegal activities. Murder (hits) Theft (this one is self paying, no market necesary) etc. The issue is if the activity is wrong enough that making the activity illegal is worth driving the market for it underground. (The CIA/FBI/cops could make a lot of money if murder was legalized, and they'd have to spend a lot less on investigations where the victim is dead.) | ||
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
The issue is if the activity is wrong enough that making the activity illegal is worth driving the market for it underground. And I think the past 30 years of the "war on drugs" have proven that no, it is absolutely 100 percent NOT worth driving the market underground in this case. You are comparing inherently VIOLENT crimes with doing drugs, which is inherently NON VIOLENT, and only becomes violent when it becomes illegal. No one has to bring a gun to the liquor store. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
Some images: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://p1.trrsf.com.br/image/get?src=http://img.terra.com.br/i/2010/11/27/1715374-3056-atm14.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://p1.trrsf.com.br/image/get?src=http://img.terra.com.br/i/2010/11/27/1715223-4143-atm14.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://p1.trrsf.com.br/image/get?src=http://img.terra.com.br/i/2010/11/27/1715152-0982-atm14.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://p1.trrsf.com.br/image/get?src=http://img.terra.com.br/i/2010/11/27/1715148-3119-atm14.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://p1.trrsf.com.br/image/get?src=http://img.terra.com.br/i/2010/11/26/1714762-3460-atm14.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://p1.trrsf.com.br/image/get?src=http://img.terra.com.br/i/2010/11/26/1714838-2595-atm14.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://p1.trrsf.com.br/image/get?src=http://img.terra.com.br/i/2010/11/26/1714723-3041-atm14.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://p1.trrsf.com.br/image/get?src=http://img.terra.com.br/i/2010/11/26/1714581-0090-atm14.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://p1.trrsf.com.br/image/get?src=http://img.terra.com.br/i/2010/11/26/1714307-5982-atm14.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://p1.trrsf.com.br/image/get?src=http://img.terra.com.br/i/2010/11/24/1712909-3437-atm14.jpg) Edit: the images are hosted on a high traffic portal, so no need re-hosting. | ||
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debasers
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/11/20101127154425187238.html | ||
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Shuray
Brazil642 Posts
I looked in some news website and I couldnt find anything. | ||
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iloahz
United States964 Posts
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Loeron
Brazil8 Posts
On November 28 2010 10:57 iloahz wrote: something I don't get is that, how can a criminal gang have the guts to openly go against authority? I mean maybe Brazil is just very different, but imagine this happening in the US or China. Wouldn't they just get wiped out like nothing? Brazil is very different, plus, in Rio it took a very long process to get to this point. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On November 28 2010 10:57 iloahz wrote: something I don't get is that, how can a criminal gang have the guts to openly go against authority? I mean maybe Brazil is just very different, but imagine this happening in the US or China. Wouldn't they just get wiped out like nothing? To be honest with you, they are wiped like nothing, the real problem, is the innocent they use as shield. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
http://noticias.terra.com.br/brasil/noticias/0,,OI4815086-EI17320,00-Recomeca o tiroteio no Complexo do Alemao.html BOPE is invading complexo do alemao, people outside can see traced bullets and granade explosions filling the streets, its going on for 1 hour now. I wish it had a live stream. | ||
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Golden Ghost
Netherlands1041 Posts
I have seen a lot of pictures of BOPE members these last few days but in none of them they are wearing a helmet. In other countries the special forces teams that I know of all wear them just like the military as can also be seen in the above pictures. Is there a reason why BOPE isn't using helmets? | ||
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Darkalbino
Australia410 Posts
On November 28 2010 17:05 Golden Ghost wrote: A little side question: I have seen a lot of pictures of BOPE members these last few days but in none of them they are wearing a helmet. In other countries the special forces teams that I know of all wear them just like the military as can also be seen in the above pictures. Is there a reason why BOPE isn't using helmets? they are immune to headshots | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On November 28 2010 17:05 Golden Ghost wrote: A little side question: I have seen a lot of pictures of BOPE members these last few days but in none of them they are wearing a helmet. In other countries the special forces teams that I know of all wear them just like the military as can also be seen in the above pictures. Is there a reason why BOPE isn't using helmets? Because Helmets aren't really that useful. They can't do shit vs bullets for example. I think that they are used mostly for shock waves, shell fragments, falls etc... I think that they prefer to have better awareness and less weight on their head. | ||
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Dyllyn
Singapore670 Posts
Much less useful for storming room to room (which is what BOPE is doing) thats why my sergeant told me anyway Rifle goes straight thru helmet at 100meters, 5-30 meteres helmets are useless | ||
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Tekin
2711 Posts
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On November 28 2010 18:50 GenericTerranPlayer wrote: Helmets are primarily to protect your head from shrapnel, and are more useful when fighting from fixed positions where the enemy is using explosive to get your out of your foxhole/trench/ whatever Much less useful for storming room to room (which is what BOPE is doing) thats why my sergeant told me anyway Rifle goes straight thru helmet at 100meters, 5-30 meteres helmets are useless I thought the modern helmets are not suppose to stop a direct shot to the head but they should've being adequate production against glancing shots and shrapnel :/ | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
Justin.tv At least it had interesting moments earlier. | ||
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ThunderGod
New Zealand897 Posts
To somewhat explain why the criminals fight back: I spent a day in the Rocinha favella (largest favella in Latin America) and the 88 drug gang there were training roughly 100 uniformed gangsters with rifles on street combat, more specifically how to navigate the narrow alleys of Rocinha without being caught in crossfire. You see, the police have been executing a programme of pacification of the favelas for 2 years now. There are alot of favellas in Rio (over 500). Our guide told us that many of the druglords from other favellas belonging to 88 had come to Rocinha due to this pacification (Rocinha has not been pacified yet) because it was not as convenient to deal drugs. So it is only a matter of time until they decide to fight back. Why fight back? Well Rocinha alone produces 20 tonnes of pure cocaine per month. They sell it to middlemen for around $20 a gram. $400million per month. And these criminals are young! They are recruited by the gangs as young as 7 or 8 years old. By the time they are ~12 they have the responsibilty of carrying weapons, so many of these guys the police are trying to kill/capture are only 15/16 and their whole life has been in the gang with their culture of violence and drugs. Hell the leader of 88 had his 24th birthday not long ago and he is considered fucking ancient, he's been leader for a lengthy 4 years. So in summary. Money but more importantly, the gang culture. The gangs have been established in the favelles for 25+ years now, the governments of the time let them become established. If the police had gone in back then it would have been much easier than it is now. My question for Cariocas. Is this operation just in the Complexo do Alemao? And is it likely to occur in other favellas also. My understanding is that there are 3 main gangs in Rio, have they allied to fight the police or is this gang the only one that will be subdued in this operation? And lastly folks, don't let this taint your opinion of Rio. Rio is an incredible city, as you will see during the world cup and olympics. And most residents of the favellas are honest hard-working people that have no choice but to share their neighbourhoods with the gangs. Outside Western countries there are still many other developed countries that deal with alot of corruption, violence and political instability. Brazil is not even the worst example in South America. But for the people living there, it's life as normal. That's just the way its been for a long time now. Money or military are in power and they have neither. Times have been changing slowly though, and the governments have been improving (from a viewpoint of democracy and corruption). Sorry for my ignorance, I know very little on the matter. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
I expect that by WC and Olympic games Rio will be a much safer place than its rightnow, however the drug cartels are far away from being shutdown. It would need this kind of operation in all the states of Brazil (at a waaaay smaller proportion though), and reinforce the borders with Venezuela, Colombia, Peru and Bolivia. | ||
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