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United States12240 Posts
Earlier today I heard on the radio some of the changes for the Iowa Tests. These are your standard competency tests but they are now super politically correct. I assure you I am not making this up. There was a list made of all the changes that the test writers had to adhere to.
My memory is slightly sketchy in recalling everything in the list, but here's what I remember clearly:
- The word "snowman" is sexist. It must be replaced with "snowperson".
- Calling someone "old" is ageist. Come on! Did the word "ageist" even EXIST before now? STOP MAKING UP WORDS!
- There is to be no mention of "Americans" because that is geographically chauvenist. The proper term is now "people of the United States".
- Dogs mentioned in the tests cannot have the names Cheyenne, Madison, or Pete. Come on... PETE?! They are afraid a little kid named Pete will take the test and get all freaked out because the dog has the same name, and he'll think "ARE THEY SAYING I'M A DOG???"
- "Tote bag" is offensive. The correct term is "brown paper bag" but I forget the reasoning behind it.
- There is to be no mention of Christmas because it offends people who aren't Christian.
- There is to be no mention of birthdays because it offends people whose religion does not recognize birthdays (Jehovah's Witnesses).
There was more but you get the idea. They said "tests are stressful enough for kids, they're hard for kids." Yeah. You want to know about stress? There are a heck of a lot more stressful things in the world than this nonsense. What about paying bills? Paying off debt or a mortgage. That's stressful. Sheltering our kids is only going to hurt them.
This kind of nonsense is ruining our childrens' futures. When they take these kinds of tests and go out into the real world to get a job, what's going to happen? Is Pete going to go to his boss's house for dinner and ask for a raise, then get declined?
Pete: "Boss can I have a raise?"
Boss: "Gee sorry son we just can't spare it."
Pete: "OH MY GOSH WHAT OH NO AAAH"
Boss: "By the way I'd like you to meet my dog whose name is Pete."
Pete: "WHAT YOUR DOG'S NAME IS PETE! ARE YOU SAYING I'M A DOG! AAAAAAAH"
Give me a break!
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The AP United States History test was all about black people and women. Not mention of the white males that built the country, because apparently now political correctness is more important than making sure that the people taking the test acctually understanding history.
EDIT: I will not respond to anyone that calls me either a racist or chauvinist, because I am neither.
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Braavos36389 Posts
On June 29 2004 20:19 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
The AP United States History test was all about black people and women. Not mention of the white males that built the country, because apparently now political correctness is more important than making sure that the people taking the test acctually understanding history.
wtf? what test did you take? any question about a president, congressional legislature, and war would have to include white people.
as to your condescending shit about "white males that built this country" lets not forget that other races were NOT ALLOWED to help build this country because your "white males" persecuted and discriminated against them.
be more stupid and ignorant please.
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On June 29 2004 20:23 Hot_Bid wrote: Show nested quote +On June 29 2004 20:19 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
The AP United States History test was all about black people and women. Not mention of the white males that built the country, because apparently now political correctness is more important than making sure that the people taking the test acctually understanding history. wtf? what test did you take? any question about a president, congressional legislature, and war would have to include white people. as to your condescending shit about "white males that built this country" lets not forget that other races were NOT ALLOWED to help build this country because your "white males" persecuted and discriminated against them. be more stupid and ignorant please.
It doesn't matter that other races couldn't build the country, the point is they fucking didn't. So don't ignore the efforts of those who did.
Of course you can't see I exaggerated.
Be more stupid please.
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United States12240 Posts
hahahaahahaahah
My friend just told me about how Robert Frost's poem "Old Man by the Sea" was banned in some school because it contained banned words.
"Old" of course which we've established is "ageist".
and get this...
"Sea" because it isn't fair to inland students who may not be able to conceptualize what a sea or ocean might be.
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Yeah, because women and slaves didn't do anything, right Reaper?
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Braavos36389 Posts
On June 29 2004 20:26 x[ReaPeR]x wrote: Show nested quote +On June 29 2004 20:23 Hot_Bid wrote: On June 29 2004 20:19 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
The AP United States History test was all about black people and women. Not mention of the white males that built the country, because apparently now political correctness is more important than making sure that the people taking the test acctually understanding history. wtf? what test did you take? any question about a president, congressional legislature, and war would have to include white people. as to your condescending shit about "white males that built this country" lets not forget that other races were NOT ALLOWED to help build this country because your "white males" persecuted and discriminated against them. be more stupid and ignorant please. It doesn't matter that other races couldn't build the country, the point is they fucking didn't. So don't ignore the efforts of those who did. Of course you can't see I'm exaggerated. Be more stupid please.
you obviously are not "exaggerated" about the "white males that built this country" because you're making a point about it. i never said to ignore the "efforts" of those who built this country, i'm just saying that there's no reason why you have to say "white males" as if they were the ones that made this country "so great" as if this country is doing a great job with social issues and foreign policy right now. i would have to say that white supremacy and white male domination in all social/economic/political aspects actually HURTS this country.
You keep saying you're not racist, whatever.
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People who do this are kinda "mentally challenged" lmfao 
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MURICA15980 Posts
On June 16 2004 23:27 Klogon wrote:
Oh, how everything that turns politically correct ADDS syllables. Ok, first you have Black, which is 1 syllable. But that's not good enough in today's society, so they make it African-American. A-fri-can-A-me-ri-can, which is SEVEN friggin' syllables. I understand that you want to make it less offensive, BUT WHY ADD ALL THE SYLLABLES! It seems any time something turns politically correct, they add at least 5 syllables to the word, just to piss us off some more. If they made the politically correct term nice and short, maybe more people would use that term. -_-
Another example: Americans into "People of the United States"
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A-Mer-Ri-Cans
1 2 3 4
Peo-ple of the U-ni-ted States
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
2x more -_-
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I actually think denoting anything -American is offensive, at least to me it denotes them as being less than American and less then whatever comes before the hyphen.
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On June 29 2004 20:14 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Earlier today I heard on the radio some of the changes for the Iowa Tests. These are your standard competency tests but they are now super politically correct. I assure you I am not making this up. There was a list made of all the changes that the test writers had to adhere to.
My memory is slightly sketchy in recalling everything in the list, but here's what I remember clearly:
- The word "snowman" is sexist. It must be replaced with "snowperson".
- Calling someone "old" is ageist. Come on! Did the word "ageist" even EXIST before now? STOP MAKING UP WORDS!
- There is to be no mention of "Americans" because that is geographically chauvenist. The proper term is now "people of the United States".
- Dogs mentioned in the tests cannot have the names Cheyenne, Madison, or Pete. Come on... PETE?! They are afraid a little kid named Pete will take the test and get all freaked out because the dog has the same name, and he'll think "ARE THEY SAYING I'M A DOG???"
- "Tote bag" is offensive. The correct term is "brown paper bag" but I forget the reasoning behind it.
- There is to be no mention of Christmas because it offends people who aren't Christian.
- There is to be no mention of birthdays because it offends people whose religion does not recognize birthdays (Jehovah's Witnesses).
There was more but you get the idea. They said "tests are stressful enough for kids, they're hard for kids." Yeah. You want to know about stress? There are a heck of a lot more stressful things in the world than this nonsense. What about paying bills? Paying off debt or a mortgage. That's stressful. Sheltering our kids is only going to hurt them.
This kind of nonsense is ruining our childrens' futures. When they take these kinds of tests and go out into the real world to get a job, what's going to happen? Is Pete going to go to his boss's house for dinner and ask for a raise, then get declined?
Pete: "Boss can I have a raise?"
Boss: "Gee sorry son we just can't spare it."
Pete: "OH MY GOSH WHAT OH NO AAAH"
Boss: "By the way I'd like you to meet my dog whose name is Pete."
Pete: "WHAT YOUR DOG'S NAME IS PETE! ARE YOU SAYING I'M A DOG! AAAAAAAH"
Give me a break!
The entire point of these tests is to give an objective measure of the students ability. If you're in 5th grade, calling the people of the United States "Americans" could be confusing. Does that mean people from South America? Central America? All these answers would be technically correct. Eliminating the word "American" eliminates a lot of ambiguity.
Agism is indeed a word, although the phrase Age Discrimination is more commonly used. There are growing numbers of legal suits for Age Discrimination in the workplace. It's not made up, nor is it particularly new.
These tests are manditory in many of the schools in which they are administered. Given that they have the force of government behind them, it makes sense to do whatever one can to avoid offending people.
Why mention Christian Holidays if you don't have to? A muslim or buddist child may not understand, just as your christian kid might not understand a question about kwaanza.
I don't really think changing "snowman" to "snowperson" makes a huge diference, but if it offends someone why not just change it? Is it really that important?
Children are not adults. That is why we don't expect children to pay mortgages, raise other kids, etc. Applying adult standards to children makes zero sense. Nor does worrying about an 5th-8th grader's ability to get a job.
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Braavos36389 Posts
On June 29 2004 20:26 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
Of course you can't see I'm exaggerated.
On June 29 2004 20:26 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
Of course you can't see I exaggerated.
Be more stupid please.
way to correct your grammar but not respond to my post, because being grammatically correct definitely strengthens your racis--i mean, your point.
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United States12240 Posts
You are obviously insane if you believe any of that is true.
You haven't discussed the point about how these nonsense tests prepare our children for the REAL world. The REAL world identifies differences in people whereas schools dilute their importance. Political correctness makes people afraid of each other. More importantly it makes people afraid of each other's attorneys. If you have a multitude of races in a room and you say something regarding race, you can bet SOMEONE is going to be wussy enough to call an attorney over it.
Sheltering our kids in this way hurts them and I don't understand how you don't see this. How can you not see this is ridiculous? It's unbelievable to me, really. When you shelter them in this way, they're going to go out in the real world made of glass. You protect them from defeat and when they're no longer protected their worlds will shatter. That's why I mentioned the scenario between Pete and the boss.
They said writing the tests in this way "helps stop students from stumbling" but stumbling is a very important learning experience. You learn from it.
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MrIncognito you are a moron...
I feel ofended by the world "chilli dog" please name it, spiecy piece of cow meat.
My god you irritate the shit out of me.
[EDIT: baal, you should know better than to threaten people here with physical violence. Don't. - mensrea]
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On June 29 2004 20:39 Hot_Bid wrote: Show nested quote +On June 29 2004 20:26 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
Of course you can't see I'm exaggerated.
Show nested quote +On June 29 2004 20:26 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
Of course you can't see I exaggerated.
Be more stupid please. way to correct your grammar but not respond to my post, because being grammatically correct definitely strengthens your racis--i mean, your point.
Yes I corrected my grammar, not thinking of responding to your point though because you are accusing me of being racist.
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Braavos36389 Posts
um the "nonsense" tests do not prepare our children for the real world, they are ment to measure them to gage how well they are doing in school/how well they would do at college. this is the tests' aim, regardless of how accurate these tests are.
you think that some random scholastic test is supposed to prepare kids for the real world? i thought parents were supposed to do that...
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Braavos36389 Posts
On June 29 2004 20:49 x[ReaPeR]x wrote: Show nested quote +On June 29 2004 20:39 Hot_Bid wrote: On June 29 2004 20:26 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
Of course you can't see I'm exaggerated.
On June 29 2004 20:26 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
Of course you can't see I exaggerated.
Be more stupid please. way to correct your grammar but not respond to my post, because being grammatically correct definitely strengthens your racis--i mean, your point. Yes I corrected my grammar, not thinking of responding to your point though because you are accusing me of being racist.
i never technically accused you, i was just being "insinuated".
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United States12240 Posts
You mean "insinuating" not "being insinuated." Someone had better go back and take those tests!
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Braavos36389 Posts
did you read my post? it's a joke, as i was using reaper's grammatical misstep that you now magnified with your misunderstanding.
reread my post.
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On June 29 2004 20:31 Hot_Bid wrote: Show nested quote +On June 29 2004 20:26 x[ReaPeR]x wrote: On June 29 2004 20:23 Hot_Bid wrote: On June 29 2004 20:19 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
The AP United States History test was all about black people and women. Not mention of the white males that built the country, because apparently now political correctness is more important than making sure that the people taking the test acctually understanding history. wtf? what test did you take? any question about a president, congressional legislature, and war would have to include white people. as to your condescending shit about "white males that built this country" lets not forget that other races were NOT ALLOWED to help build this country because your "white males" persecuted and discriminated against them. be more stupid and ignorant please. It doesn't matter that other races couldn't build the country, the point is they fucking didn't. So don't ignore the efforts of those who did. Of course you can't see I'm exaggerated. Be more stupid please. you obviously are not "exaggerated" about the "white males that built this country" because you're making a point about it. i never said to ignore the "efforts" of those who built this country, i'm just saying that there's no reason why you have to say "white males" as if they were the ones that made this country "so great" as if this country is doing a great job with social issues and foreign policy right now. i would have to say that white supremacy and white male domination in all social/economic/political aspects actually HURTS this country. You keep saying you're not racist, whatever.
This is American History you idiot. Not current American issues. If you look at American History notice how many accomplishments were made by white men. The constitution was written by white men, and slavery was ended by white men for example. You said that black men and women weren't allowed to participate in government, so therefore most of the accomplishment was done by white men.
Just so we know:
The test didn't mention George Washington once.
The test didn't mention Andrew Jackson once.
The test's only mention of WWII was women's role in it.
I don't think the test mentioned Abraham Lincoln.
This is bullshit. This isn't an issue of racism or male supremacy, this is about the fact that key people in American History are being ignored because they are white, which is bullshit. Should I just forget that Martin Luther King Junior lead the black civil rights movement in the 60's because he was black. No, because that is bullshit. This is starting to go in the "I can't think of anything better to say other than ReaPeR is a racist direction." Also for suggesting I'm racist you earn a spot on the lamer list.
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On June 29 2004 21:00 Liquid`Drone wrote: I agree with everything you said cept the "american" part. I mean, "european" encompasses everyone from europe, so naturally american should encompass everyone from america, and not just one country in america. (although admittingly, western europeans often tend to only speak of western europe when talking about europeans, in much the same way people of the united states  talk about themselves as americans. ) but oh well, changing how you speak is rather hard I guess. and "people of the united states" honestly sucks. USAIAN!
I'm not sure what the deal is with the American thing. When people are given a name such as that usually it is named after their country. The United States of America is the only country I can think of that has America as part of its name. In every language Americans are called the equivolent (Amerikaner in German, for instance) of Americans. Don't see why it needs to change. Just tell them that Americans are from the country of America and not either of the continents.
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Braavos36389 Posts
how is "ending slavery" an accomplishment by white men when it was started by white men in the first place?
"i'll start smoking tomorrow and then quit"
"quitting smoking is the one of the hardest things to do, what an accomplishment!"
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On June 29 2004 21:28 Hot_Bid wrote:
how is "ending slavery" an accomplishment by white men when it was started by white men in the first place?
"i'll start smoking tomorrow and then quit"
"quitting smoking is the one of the hardest things to do, what an accomplishment!"
The white men that started slavery were racist fucks who had no consideration for the idea that those enslaved we human beings.
The white men that stopped slavery at the very least understood that the concept was morally wrong.
Different fucking kinds of white people. It's not like slave owners put a stop to it. Fucking hell stop trying to oversimplify the situation!
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Braavos36389 Posts
On June 29 2004 20:57 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
This is bullshit. This isn't an issue of racism or male supremacy, this is about the fact that key people in American History are being ignored because they are white, which is bullshit. Should I just forget that Martin Luther King Junior lead the black civil rights movement in the 60's because he was black. No, because that is bullshit. This is starting to go in the "I can't think of anything better to say other than ReaPeR is a racist direction." Also for suggesting I'm racist you earn a spot on the lamer list.
you seriously believe white people are being *excluded* from american history tests based on reverse racism because they are white?
also, i'm proud to be on your "lamer list" (blatant copy of stimey if you ask me) as every time you post people know that i will probably disagree with you. every time you post something stupid, "Hot_Bid" will be at the bottom, a symbol of non-stupidity.
judging by your track record i believe this to be often. btw hows that michael moore thread coming? still fighting the good fight?
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On June 29 2004 21:34 Hot_Bid wrote: Show nested quote +On June 29 2004 20:57 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
This is bullshit. This isn't an issue of racism or male supremacy, this is about the fact that key people in American History are being ignored because they are white, which is bullshit. Should I just forget that Martin Luther King Junior lead the black civil rights movement in the 60's because he was black. No, because that is bullshit. This is starting to go in the "I can't think of anything better to say other than ReaPeR is a racist direction." Also for suggesting I'm racist you earn a spot on the lamer list. you seriously believe white people are being *excluded* from american history tests based on reverse racism because they are white? also, i'm proud to be on your "lamer list" (blatant copy of stimey if you ask me) as every time you post people know that i will probably disagree with you. every time you post something stupid, "Hot_Bid" will be at the bottom, a symbol of non-stupidity. judging by your track record i believe this to be often. btw hows that michael moore thread coming? still fighting the good fight?
YES!!!! HOW CAN GEORGE WASHINGTON, THE FATHER OF OUR COUNTRY, NOT BE ON THERE UNLESS IT'S SOME REVERSE RACIST BULLSHIT.
Won't respond to the rest, it's too stupid.
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On June 29 2004 20:19 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
The AP United States History test was all about black people and women. Not mention of the white males that built the country, because apparently now political correctness is more important than making sure that the people taking the test acctually understanding history.
EDIT: I will not respond to anyone that calls me either a racist or chauvinist, because I am neither.
First off, how much did we actually build?
We didn't do it all, and I don't know what test you took.
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Braavos36389 Posts
On June 29 2004 21:31 x[ReaPeR]x wrote: Show nested quote +On June 29 2004 21:28 Hot_Bid wrote:
how is "ending slavery" an accomplishment by white men when it was started by white men in the first place?
"i'll start smoking tomorrow and then quit"
"quitting smoking is the one of the hardest things to do, what an accomplishment!" The white men that started slavery were racist fucks who had no consideration for the idea that those enslaved we human beings. The white men that stopped slavery at the very least understood that the concept was morally wrong. Different fucking kinds of white people. It's not like slave owners put a stop to it. Fucking hell stop trying to oversimplify the situation!
first, you're generalizing about a group of people, ie you are so proud that white people "built" this country when in fact they just happened to be in the right place at the right time and were the majority.
second, you separate "good white people" from "bad white people" (keep in mind there are MANY racist white people out there today). this is something that white people DO NOT DO with black people.
by your own logic, there are two "different fucking kinds" of black people: the kind white people like, like Michael Jordan and that guy from reading rainbow, then all the other black people who are drug dealers and thieves.
unfortunately, the police pull over rich black people driving expensive cars why? because "black people commit the most crimes."
by your logic, those are the "bad black people," so why should the "good black people" be punished for it?
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Braavos36389 Posts
also, i'm a history major and the AP test was very easy, regardless of the political correctness (i don't disagree with Excal that the poli correctness has gone too far). by your awesome sample size of ONE TEST in ONE YEAR that omits certain presidents, how can you say that there is reverse racism? there were definitely more white people mentioned on the test i took. i'm pretty sure if you reread your test you will find that THERE IS NO REVERSE RACISM ON STANDARDIZED TESTING.
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Ugh a funny thread, ruined by you fuckers, good job.
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Braavos36389 Posts
sorry =(
::Back on topic::
- There is to be no mention of Christmas because it offends people who aren't Christian.
I think this may be wrong too, beacuse Christmas does not necessarily represent all things religious and does not have to be a religious holiday--it resembles many other things like good will and generosity. I know my family isn't Christian but we still celebrate Christmas--gift giving, decorations, and generally merriment, but no church or celebration of jesus' birth.
I know some people take issue with the name, whatever.
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This is seriously the dumbest shit I've read all year
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Sweden33719 Posts
On June 29 2004 20:14 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Earlier today I heard on the radio some of the changes for the Iowa Tests. These are your standard competency tests but they are now super politically correct. I assure you I am not making this up. There was a list made of all the changes that the test writers had to adhere to.
My memory is slightly sketchy in recalling everything in the list, but here's what I remember clearly:
- The word "snowman" is sexist. It must be replaced with "snowperson".
- Calling someone "old" is ageist. Come on! Did the word "ageist" even EXIST before now? STOP MAKING UP WORDS!
- There is to be no mention of "Americans" because that is geographically chauvenist. The proper term is now "people of the United States".
- Dogs mentioned in the tests cannot have the names Cheyenne, Madison, or Pete. Come on... PETE?! They are afraid a little kid named Pete will take the test and get all freaked out because the dog has the same name, and he'll think "ARE THEY SAYING I'M A DOG???"
- "Tote bag" is offensive. The correct term is "brown paper bag" but I forget the reasoning behind it.
- There is to be no mention of Christmas because it offends people who aren't Christian.
- There is to be no mention of birthdays because it offends people whose religion does not recognize birthdays (Jehovah's Witnesses).
There was more but you get the idea. They said "tests are stressful enough for kids, they're hard for kids." Yeah. You want to know about stress? There are a heck of a lot more stressful things in the world than this nonsense. What about paying bills? Paying off debt or a mortgage. That's stressful. Sheltering our kids is only going to hurt them.
This kind of nonsense is ruining our childrens' futures. When they take these kinds of tests and go out into the real world to get a job, what's going to happen? Is Pete going to go to his boss's house for dinner and ask for a raise, then get declined?
Pete: "Boss can I have a raise?"
Boss: "Gee sorry son we just can't spare it."
Pete: "OH MY GOSH WHAT OH NO AAAH"
Boss: "By the way I'd like you to meet my dog whose name is Pete."
Pete: "WHAT YOUR DOG'S NAME IS PETE! ARE YOU SAYING I'M A DOG! AAAAAAAH"
Give me a break!
That sounds sad! For once I'm in 100% agreement with you.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On June 29 2004 20:23 Hot_Bid wrote: Show nested quote +On June 29 2004 20:19 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
The AP United States History test was all about black people and women. Not mention of the white males that built the country, because apparently now political correctness is more important than making sure that the people taking the test acctually understanding history. wtf? what test did you take? any question about a president, congressional legislature, and war would have to include white people. as to your condescending shit about "white males that built this country" lets not forget that other races were NOT ALLOWED to help build this country because your "white males" persecuted and discriminated against them. be more stupid and ignorant please.
Actually I don't think he meant it to sound like that. I think he was jsut stating facts t.t
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Sweden33719 Posts
On June 29 2004 20:30 Excalibur_Z wrote:
hahahaahahaahah
My friend just told me about how Robert Frost's poem "Old Man by the Sea" was banned in some school because it contained banned words.
"Old" of course which we've established is "ageist".
and get this...
"Sea" because it isn't fair to inland students who may not be able to conceptualize what a sea or ocean might be.
...... 1984 is happening right before our eyes...
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That last part of what Excalibur posted is the first funny thing to ever come from him.
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Well if they're not gonna mention Christmas they better not mention any other religious holidays from ANY religion.
A lot of how students do on tests is based on the context of the questions. Contextual knowledge is often shaped by the child's cultural environment, which race affects. It would be better for standardized tests to mention less race/class/religion specific things, but at the same time it's difficult to really test people on knowledge without presenting a context in which to demonstrate that knowledge. I think it's a catch-22.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On June 29 2004 20:38 MrIncognito wrote: Show nested quote +On June 29 2004 20:14 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Earlier today I heard on the radio some of the changes for the Iowa Tests. These are your standard competency tests but they are now super politically correct. I assure you I am not making this up. There was a list made of all the changes that the test writers had to adhere to.
My memory is slightly sketchy in recalling everything in the list, but here's what I remember clearly:
- The word "snowman" is sexist. It must be replaced with "snowperson".
- Calling someone "old" is ageist. Come on! Did the word "ageist" even EXIST before now? STOP MAKING UP WORDS!
- There is to be no mention of "Americans" because that is geographically chauvenist. The proper term is now "people of the United States".
- Dogs mentioned in the tests cannot have the names Cheyenne, Madison, or Pete. Come on... PETE?! They are afraid a little kid named Pete will take the test and get all freaked out because the dog has the same name, and he'll think "ARE THEY SAYING I'M A DOG???"
- "Tote bag" is offensive. The correct term is "brown paper bag" but I forget the reasoning behind it.
- There is to be no mention of Christmas because it offends people who aren't Christian.
- There is to be no mention of birthdays because it offends people whose religion does not recognize birthdays (Jehovah's Witnesses).
There was more but you get the idea. They said "tests are stressful enough for kids, they're hard for kids." Yeah. You want to know about stress? There are a heck of a lot more stressful things in the world than this nonsense. What about paying bills? Paying off debt or a mortgage. That's stressful. Sheltering our kids is only going to hurt them.
This kind of nonsense is ruining our childrens' futures. When they take these kinds of tests and go out into the real world to get a job, what's going to happen? Is Pete going to go to his boss's house for dinner and ask for a raise, then get declined?
Pete: "Boss can I have a raise?"
Boss: "Gee sorry son we just can't spare it."
Pete: "OH MY GOSH WHAT OH NO AAAH"
Boss: "By the way I'd like you to meet my dog whose name is Pete."
Pete: "WHAT YOUR DOG'S NAME IS PETE! ARE YOU SAYING I'M A DOG! AAAAAAAH"
Give me a break! The entire point of these tests is to give an objective measure of the students ability. If you're in 5th grade, calling the people of the United States "Americans" could be confusing. Does that mean people from South America? Central America? All these answers would be technically correct. Eliminating the word "American" eliminates a lot of ambiguity. Agism is indeed a word, although the phrase Age Discrimination is more commonly used. There are growing numbers of legal suits for Age Discrimination in the workplace. It's not made up, nor is it particularly new. These tests are manditory in many of the schools in which they are administered. Given that they have the force of government behind them, it makes sense to do whatever one can to avoid offending people. Why mention Christian Holidays if you don't have to? A muslim or buddist child may not understand, just as your christian kid might not understand a question about kwaanza. I don't really think changing "snowman" to "snowperson" makes a huge diference, but if it offends someone why not just change it? Is it really that important? Children are not adults. That is why we don't expect children to pay mortgages, raise other kids, etc. Applying adult standards to children makes zero sense. Nor does worrying about an 5th-8th grader's ability to get a job.
The thing is we (sadly I'd have to include myself amongst the kids since I'm only 15) are being treated like we are retarded and it's sort of getting worse and worse year by year -_-
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On June 29 2004 21:34 Hot_Bid wrote: Show nested quote +On June 29 2004 20:57 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
This is bullshit. This isn't an issue of racism or male supremacy, this is about the fact that key people in American History are being ignored because they are white, which is bullshit. Should I just forget that Martin Luther King Junior lead the black civil rights movement in the 60's because he was black. No, because that is bullshit. This is starting to go in the "I can't think of anything better to say other than ReaPeR is a racist direction." Also for suggesting I'm racist you earn a spot on the lamer list. you seriously believe white people are being *excluded* from american history tests based on reverse racism because they are white? also, i'm proud to be on your "lamer list" (blatant copy of stimey if you ask me) as every time you post people know that i will probably disagree with you. every time you post something stupid, "Hot_Bid" will be at the bottom, a symbol of non-stupidity. judging by your track record i believe this to be often. btw hows that michael moore thread coming? still fighting the good fight?
He's saying the test is not adequate.. He's saying that it's ridiculous that they do not include such important people. Only reason he mentions WHITE MALES, is because they bring up the women, non-whites (I dunno if there has been any really 'important' asians during american history) but not the white males. What should he write?
"They excluded everyone except the women and non-whites!"
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Reverse racism, as well as racism against minorities, exists here in America. *duh*
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On June 29 2004 22:17 FrozenArbiter wrote: Show nested quote +On June 29 2004 20:30 Excalibur_Z wrote:
hahahaahahaahah
My friend just told me about how Robert Frost's poem "Old Man by the Sea" was banned in some school because it contained banned words.
"Old" of course which we've established is "ageist".
and get this...
"Sea" because it isn't fair to inland students who may not be able to conceptualize what a sea or ocean might be. ...... 1984 is happening right before our eyes...
Yes, this kind of reasoning actually scares me for what it will end up like.
It's just words for God's sake, we all know what they mean. The people who thought up shit like 'snowperson' should be sent straight to a mental institution. Everyone who disagrees too. I mean come on, you can't be serious : O
PS: what's Kwaanza?
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On June 29 2004 20:30 SoLsiTO wrote:
Yeah, because women and slaves didn't do anything, right Reaper?
They did something, keep the fields looking nice.
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On June 29 2004 20:49 Hot_Bid wrote:
um the "nonsense" tests do not prepare our children for the real world, they are ment to measure them to gage how well they are doing in school/how well they would do at college. this is the tests' aim, regardless of how accurate these tests are.
you think that some random scholastic test is supposed to prepare kids for the real world? i thought parents were supposed to do that...
parents what to take the easy way out so they push for the schools to do it these days.
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On June 29 2004 21:28 Hot_Bid wrote:
how is "ending slavery" an accomplishment by white men when it was started by white men in the first place?
"i'll start smoking tomorrow and then quit"
"quitting smoking is the one of the hardest things to do, what an accomplishment!"
Who originally sold the slaves? The other tribal groups, that also happened to be black. Just more examples of black on black crime that we enjoy so much here in the USA.
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when i saw the phrase. "political correctness" i knew that was a code name for one of the many imaginary skapegoats of so-called "conservatives" before i even knew who posted this. i have read excalibur_z's threads before and i do not reccomend them to others.
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racism - The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
I'm deffinetly not going to say that one race is superior to others. But some races are superior to others at certain things. Different races, sexes, and ages do act differently. Everyone is racist, sexist, and ageist. Every day you make judgements about people based on race, sex, age, even clothes etc. If i was hiring a rapper i would have a preference for a black person because i know white people can't rap. People are taught that making judgements about people based on race, sex, age, clothes etc. is wrong but it isn't wrong you just have to make the right judgements. Unfortunately, the judgements you make are an opinion so its hard to say who is right.
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On June 30 2004 09:00 NotSorry wrote: Show nested quote +On June 29 2004 20:30 SoLsiTO wrote:
Yeah, because women and slaves didn't do anything, right Reaper? They did something, keep the fields looking nice. 
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On June 30 2004 09:09 NotSorry wrote: Show nested quote +On June 29 2004 21:28 Hot_Bid wrote:
how is "ending slavery" an accomplishment by white men when it was started by white men in the first place?
"i'll start smoking tomorrow and then quit"
"quitting smoking is the one of the hardest things to do, what an accomplishment!" Who originally sold the slaves? The other tribal groups, that also happened to be black. Just more examples of black on black crime that we enjoy so much here in the USA. and blacks had nothign to do with ending slavery? ok right. anyways.. next?
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Let's end this like muscular and sexual men.
Post your SAT scores and whoever has higher than Excalibur and Reaper has a bigger penis and gets a cookie. Oh yea, and whoever has the higher SAT scores wins this debate.
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Oh BTW- Reaper you are a dumbass. If I recall correctly, Washington was the centerpiece of one of the DBQs I think.
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Oh yea... aren't reaper and excal fucking halirious? Every thread t hey make seems to involve quite a bit of false information that everyone then pegs them with. And then they take a STFU pill and never reply to those attacks. Case in point, George Washington in this thread.
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On June 29 2004 21:00 Liquid`Drone wrote: I agree with everything you said cept the "american" part. I mean, "european" encompasses everyone from europe, so naturally american should encompass everyone from america, and not just one country in america. (although admittingly, western europeans often tend to only speak of western europe when talking about europeans, in much the same way people of the united states talk about themselves as americans. ) but oh well, changing how you speak is rather hard I guess. and "people of the united states" honestly sucks. USAIAN!
Calling us Americans is kind of strange, considering Canadians, Mexicans, and South Americans are all "Americans," but we are the only ones with "America" in our name. South Americans get called just that--South Americans-- but it is kind of strange. Also, it's really stupid that they are changing this now, and there is nothing else to really call people of the United States, and saying what I just typed there is just too long. It's not going to hold, and we'll still be called Americans, I think, but... who knows?
By the way, this isn't as an argument, or anything directed towards you. I just quoted you so people know where I got the whole subject from in the first place.
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I've heard things about George Washington being taken off tests as a possibility, but never saw any tests that didn't mention him, when speaking of US History, unless it was from a time past his, because he is sort of irrelevant to other times (in certain cases I suppose he isn't, but..) Anyways, what test WERE you taking, ReaPeR?
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On June 29 2004 22:24 FrozenArbiter wrote: Show nested quote +On June 29 2004 21:34 Hot_Bid wrote: On June 29 2004 20:57 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
This is bullshit. This isn't an issue of racism or male supremacy, this is about the fact that key people in American History are being ignored because they are white, which is bullshit. Should I just forget that Martin Luther King Junior lead the black civil rights movement in the 60's because he was black. No, because that is bullshit. This is starting to go in the "I can't think of anything better to say other than ReaPeR is a racist direction." Also for suggesting I'm racist you earn a spot on the lamer list. you seriously believe white people are being *excluded* from american history tests based on reverse racism because they are white? also, i'm proud to be on your "lamer list" (blatant copy of stimey if you ask me) as every time you post people know that i will probably disagree with you. every time you post something stupid, "Hot_Bid" will be at the bottom, a symbol of non-stupidity. judging by your track record i believe this to be often. btw hows that michael moore thread coming? still fighting the good fight? He's saying the test is not adequate.. He's saying that it's ridiculous that they do not include such important people. Only reason he mentions WHITE MALES, is because they bring up the women, non-whites (I dunno if there has been any really 'important' asians during american history) but not the white males. What should he write? "They excluded everyone except the women and non-whites!"
For once FrozenArbiter and I are thinking the same .
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You dumbshit Reaper. There are probably less than 5 questions on any 80 question APUSH test about women, esp. African American women. And about minorities? You mean you didn't like the five questions about immigration and its EFFECTS that HELPED CREATE the country that we live in today?
Let me tell you something- American would be NOWHERE as a strong a country without the immigration. In fact I would wager that it probably would have been shattered at WW2 because IMMIGRANTS are what makes this country run; labor for industry back then, and now the backbone of innovation. Not "democracy" and the picture that government leaders put up. Admittedly, they came for that, but to say that what America is today (which is the America that counts) is more based on the Founding Fathers than immigrants would be a narrow-minded statement.
And yes, the FOUNDING FATHERS are always in the APUSH test. ALWAYS, and probably around 7 questions about them. Washington was in the DBQ. Hamilton and Jefferson always have a few questions about their policies. There are always references to the rest- Adams etc. In fact, there are probably more questions about that period and its presidents than any section about women and minorities. The only section that has more than that is the Gilded Age.
BTW, I'd like to see what kind of knowledge of government and U.S. history you have because obviously you demonstrate a lot of expertise in political threads. Not the best indicator, but how well did you do on the APUSH and SAT 2 Hist?
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On June 30 2004 12:21 SickofLife wrote:
I've heard things about George Washington being taken off tests as a possibility, but never saw any tests that didn't mention him, when speaking of US History, unless it was from a time past his, because he is sort of irrelevant to other times (in certain cases I suppose he isn't, but..) Anyways, what test WERE you taking, ReaPeR?
AP United States History test. I shit you not he WASN'T THERE!
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On June 29 2004 20:29 baal wrote:
OMG I HATE PEOPLE!!!!!
yeah wtf people suck i want to move to europe
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SAT I : 720 Math 700 Verbal = 1420
SATII Math IC: 720
SATII Writing: 740
SATII US History: 770
I don't care what happens to the tests as long as I still ace 'em.
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On June 29 2004 20:38 MrIncognito wrote:
The entire point of these tests is to give an objective measure of the students ability. If you're in 5th grade, calling the people of the United States "Americans" could be confusing. Does that mean people from South America? Central America? All these answers would be technically correct. Eliminating the word "American" eliminates a lot of ambiguity.
Agism is indeed a word, although the phrase Age Discrimination is more commonly used. There are growing numbers of legal suits for Age Discrimination in the workplace. It's not made up, nor is it particularly new.
These tests are manditory in many of the schools in which they are administered. Given that they have the force of government behind them, it makes sense to do whatever one can to avoid offending people.
Why mention Christian Holidays if you don't have to? A muslim or buddist child may not understand, just as your christian kid might not understand a question about kwaanza.
I don't really think changing "snowman" to "snowperson" makes a huge diference, but if it offends someone why not just change it? Is it really that important?
Children are not adults. That is why we don't expect children to pay mortgages, raise other kids, etc. Applying adult standards to children makes zero sense. Nor does worrying about an 5th-8th grader's ability to get a job.
man, you probably just made a lot of people's lamer list
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On June 29 2004 20:33 Klogon wrote: Show nested quote +On June 16 2004 23:27 Klogon wrote:
Oh, how everything that turns politically correct ADDS syllables. Ok, first you have Black, which is 1 syllable. But that's not good enough in today's society, so they make it African-American. A-fri-can-A-me-ri-can, which is SEVEN friggin' syllables. I understand that you want to make it less offensive, BUT WHY ADD ALL THE SYLLABLES! It seems any time something turns politically correct, they add at least 5 syllables to the word, just to piss us off some more. If they made the politically correct term nice and short, maybe more people would use that term. -_- Another example: Americans into "People of the United States" .... A-Mer-Ri-Cans 1 2 3 4 Peo-ple of the U-ni-ted States 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 2x more -_-
You are obsessed with syllables :D. Syllable fetish :D
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Yes he was Reaper.
He was in the DBQ with a quote just by himself. His quote was about the his perspective he held the British officers in. The DBQ was about the differences between the colonies and Britain's attitudes after the French and Indian War.
I shit you not he WAS THERE. Fag.
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Lol. Zerg0, are you pro Reaper/Excal or anti Reaper/Excal =[. If the latter, I'll have to post mine=/.
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Oh yea. Another point about why Excal and Reaper piss me off. If we don't constantly bitch and point out all the little lies they use, they never admit it and actually go full force promoting it as the God-spoken truth.
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Sweden33719 Posts
I almost never agree with excal or reaper, and I don't particulary care for their ways of arguing however I fucking hate you and hope for a quick ban unless you really tone it down. Ending it with 'fag' sure helped your case too~
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On June 30 2004 12:57 naventus wrote:
Yes he was Reaper.
He was in the DBQ with a quote just by himself. His quote was about the his perspective he held the British officers in. The DBQ was about the differences between the colonies and Britain's attitudes after the French and Indian War.
I shit you not he WAS THERE. Fag.
Thinks
Fuck you're right.
Other than that though he wasn't there, which simply isn't right considering it's fucking George Washington.
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In terms of ideology and the creation of our democracy, I would rank Jefferson much higher than Washington =[. IMO, Washington played more of a symbol rather than a true mover. He did initiate many of the traditions of our government, including the cabinet and two-term presidency. Oh yea, he was an OK general in the the Revolutionary War. But when it came down to the philosophy and hammering out the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, I think Jefferson played a much more key role. I feel that Washington is much a figurehead; Jefferson was a genius.
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why the fuck should george washington be on the ap us history test???
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On June 30 2004 12:50 Meta wrote: yeah wtf people suck i want to move to europe
Agreed. Perferably Switzerland
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On June 30 2004 12:55 Gryffindor_us wrote:
You are obsessed with syllables :D. Syllable fetish :D
They are important. -_-
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On June 30 2004 12:52 Zerg0 wrote:
SAT I : 720 Math 700 Verbal = 1420
SATII Math IC: 720
SATII Writing: 740
SATII US History: 770
I don't care what happens to the tests as long as I still ace 'em.
I guess your results are good, what is the best you can get on these tests? And is this some sort of test u have to make before entering univercity or what?
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On June 30 2004 17:31 LogaiN wrote: Show nested quote +On June 30 2004 12:52 Zerg0 wrote:
SAT I : 720 Math 700 Verbal = 1420
SATII Math IC: 720
SATII Writing: 740
SATII US History: 770
I don't care what happens to the tests as long as I still ace 'em. I guess your results are good, what is the best you can get on these tests? And is this some sort of test u have to make before entering univercity or what? its a test that most american ppl take before they enter college.
its verbal and math, thats the sat 1
its 800 pts each, best score is 1600.
if you get an answer wrong, you get - pionts, if you leave it blank, you dont get nay pts. if you get it right you get + pts. in addition there are sat ii tests that focus on specific subjects (math, english, history, sciences, etc)
edit: to be politicaly correct, most people of the united states *
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United States12240 Posts
On June 30 2004 12:16 naventus wrote:
Oh yea... aren't reaper and excal fucking halirious? Every thread t hey make seems to involve quite a bit of false information that everyone then pegs them with. And then they take a STFU pill and never reply to those attacks. Case in point, George Washington in this thread.
Uh what was false information here? Man you've got some serious bias to overcome.
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On June 30 2004 18:03 intotherei wrote:
edit: to be politicaly correct, most people of the united states *
hahahaha
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On June 30 2004 09:56 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
when i saw the phrase. "political correctness" i knew that was a code name for one of the many imaginary skapegoats of so-called "conservatives" before i even knew who posted this. i have read excalibur_z's threads before and i do not reccomend them to others.
Don't troll in my threads please.
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On June 30 2004 16:52 Lord)Lw( wrote:
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ah ok thx intotherai...
so what is the average score on these? are they hard?
here in Sweden we have a test too, that can give us access to educations on college/univercity...
We have 5 different parts, Swedish reading, English reading (answer questions, fill in words etc), Math/Logic test (combined), Swedish vocabulary (difficult words) and the last one is statistic/graphic understanding.
We got a rating between 0.0 too 2.0, where most ppl are around 0.9~1.0
But we don't get minus points answering wrong. And you don't really need to know anything about the society, history etc; this is more like an intelligence test (not directly, but pretty close)
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United States12240 Posts
Just so we're clear, you get +1 point for a correct response, 0 points for not answering, and -0.25 points for an incorrect response.
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hehe... ok, sounds better now, a bit harsch before =D
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On June 30 2004 18:39 Excalibur_Z wrote: Show nested quote +On June 30 2004 09:56 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
when i saw the phrase. "political correctness" i knew that was a code name for one of the many imaginary skapegoats of so-called "conservatives" before i even knew who posted this. i have read excalibur_z's threads before and i do not reccomend them to others. Don't troll in my threads please.
dont post on my screen please
in this thread alonve uve said:
-kwanzaa is so black people dont feel left out at christmass (WTF?)
-george washington not being on an ap us history test is to help black people (WTF?)
What The Fuck?
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On June 30 2004 19:26 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote: Show nested quote +On June 30 2004 18:39 Excalibur_Z wrote: On June 30 2004 09:56 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
when i saw the phrase. "political correctness" i knew that was a code name for one of the many imaginary skapegoats of so-called "conservatives" before i even knew who posted this. i have read excalibur_z's threads before and i do not reccomend them to others. Don't troll in my threads please. dont post on my screen please in this thread alonve uve said: -kwanzaa is so black people dont feel left out at christmass (WTF?) -george washington not being on an ap us history test is to help black people (WTF?) What The Fuck?
Uh I only said ONE of those things and it happens to be true since it was just some recently-invented holiday with no true evident cultural background.
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why dont you fucking google it instead of proving how ignorant you are?
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On June 30 2004 19:32 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
why dont you fucking google it instead of proving how ignorant you are?
Where do you think I got that article? And of course you know all the "kwanzaa culture" pages aren't going to mention anything about how it was invented by a radical Leninist to devalue the period of sanctity held dear by most religions. Not that I'd expect you to comprehend it or respond with anything other than biased brainwashed drivel.
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lolol kwanzaa was invented by a radical lenninist to devalue a period of sanctity held dear by most religions!!!!! hahahah yeah i'm brainwashed lolol god you suck, where do you find out your "true" facts, the kkk handbook? even if the professor who invented kwanzaa was a "radical" leninnist u have a long way to go before u can show that kwanzaa only serves as way to demean "real religions" like urs chief.
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On June 30 2004 19:37 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
where do you find out your "true" facts, the kkk handbook?
hahahaha
stimey you rule
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suffeli
Finland772 Posts
"The UN is a joke. It was founded by communist spies and has done nothing to speak out against the leadership of rogue nations and oppressive regimes."
"Kwanzaa was invented by a radical Leninist to devalue the period of sanctity held dear by most religions."
-Excalibur_Z
You can find this and many other on "True Facts" an upcoming book by Excalibur_Z, the magical sword from Great Britain!
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On June 30 2004 18:35 Excalibur_Z wrote: Show nested quote +On June 30 2004 12:16 naventus wrote:
Oh yea... aren't reaper and excal fucking halirious? Every thread t hey make seems to involve quite a bit of false information that everyone then pegs them with. And then they take a STFU pill and never reply to those attacks. Case in point, George Washington in this thread.
Uh what was false information here? Man you've got some serious bias to overcome.
Lol. You dumbass. I said it in the last sentence. To support his argument Reaper brings up false information about the APUSH test. There's almost always tidbits like this in threads you guys start.
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lol i love this thread. this is hilarious
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On June 30 2004 09:00 NotSorry wrote: Show nested quote +On June 29 2004 20:30 SoLsiTO wrote:
Yeah, because women and slaves didn't do anything, right Reaper? They did something, keep the fields looking nice.
LOLOLOL ROFLMAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH thats hilarious
-kwanzaa is so black people dont feel left out at christmass (WTF?)
LOL haha
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Netherlands1301 Posts
wow stimey lay off the codeine pal 
makes you so evil ~~ =0
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im not taking sides here, but I do agree with reaper that the AP hist test definitely was disproportionately about blacks and women. It felt like more then 1/2 the questions were about em.
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On June 30 2004 20:20 suffeli wrote:
"The UN is a joke. It was founded by communist spies and has done nothing to speak out against the leadership of rogue nations and oppressive regimes."
"Kwanzaa was invented by a radical Leninist to devalue the period of sanctity held dear by most religions."
-Excalibur_Z
You can find this and many other on "True Facts" an upcoming book by Excalibur_Z, the magical sword from Great Britain!
ROFL beware exca, ive been told that osama bin laden used a revive spell on lenin with the help of arafat the necromancer and they are alltogether working on summoning Diablo to crush the USA. Hopefully u can use all the WMD u found in iraq to strike back :D
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honestly roman u might be right about the AP test i dont remembr but i would believe it, i vaguely recall some notion thtat something like that was the case, i just dont remembr wut, maybe cuz i didnt have "the whole world is trying 2 brainwash me with their liberal lies so ib ettter watch out for examples to pin on them" attitude
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Possible the tests were just aptempting to see what you actually knew. Yeah they perhaps are a bit liberal (look who makes them), but if I'm testing you on US history and I don't plan to have more than 50% of the people pass (3 or better) then I'm not gonna mention Washington, lincon, hell I'd barely touch the constitution. I would however hit you with stupid shit like women in world war 2 or blacks roles in ending slavery. These are things that odds are you heard less of in class and didn't get in middle school history. That test in general just doesn't want you to pass it so odds are the questions will be a bit more abstract.
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On June 29 2004 21:05 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
I'm not sure what the deal is with the American thing. When people are given a name such as that usually it is named after their country. The United States of America is the only country I can think of that has America as part of its name. In every language Americans are called the equivolent (Amerikaner in German, for instance) of Americans. Don't see why it needs to change. Just tell them that Americans are from the country of America and not either of the continents.
100% agreed
check this out :
"United States of Mexico"... their citizens are called "mexicans"
"United Arab Emirates"... their citizens are called "emiranes"
so what's the big deal ?
"United States of America"... their citizens are called "americans"
so if there was a country called
"United *** of Africa"... their citizens should be called "africans"
regardless from where it is....
what does it have to do with shit about the same continent ?
besides screw that !!!
if it weren't for americans this continent would be the ass of the world !
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listen dude if you've got a problem with black people move to Alabama !
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I got one factual error wrong about the AP test and all the sudden everyone acts like I'm full of shit. 
It doesn't change the fact that the father of our country was mentioned once on the whole test, which doesn't change my point.
Hoops makes a good point though, but to me it seems like you can ask harder questions about key figures in American History. For instance, Andrew Jackson (never mentioned) was important because he was the first person to really bring the common man into involvement in American governmnet. You could have at least one question about this.
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