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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
December 06 2018 02:55 GMT
#19581
On December 04 2018 22:49 travis wrote:
So what languages/skills do you think would be attractive to a lot of employers in the next upcoming year in terms of employing someone out of university?

Has it gotten to the point where people are getting hired for machine learning jobs with Bachelors degrees yet?

you want experience with version control, OOP, FP, frontend, backend, unit testing, end to end testing, and agile
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
December 06 2018 04:41 GMT
#19582
Database admin never hurts either. Generally some form of SQL.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17695 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-06 11:46:21
December 06 2018 11:46 GMT
#19583
Generally, if you know stuff that's in this book: https://www.obeythetestinggoat.com/pages/book.html#toc you should be good for your first job. This would definitely help with the interviews as you won't be totally clueless about the stuff that's being used in the real world (and not at the university).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
enigmaticcam
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States280 Posts
December 07 2018 14:49 GMT
#19584
So I have a possible job opportunity coming up soon. The thing is, I've been working for my current company for 16+ years. I'm a bit rusty when it comes to interviewing. An old boss of mine had joined a company a while back as an IT director and he's reaching out to me, so I'm not too worried about qualifications.

Mostly, I'm unsure as to proper etiquette when discussing salaries and benefits. I'm not looking for any increasing of salary, but I would prefer to keep what I have, including vacation time. With a wife and newborn son, ample vacation is important to me. If I can't get that, then I'm not really interested. I would assume there would be opportunity to discuss that during an interview at some point? I don't want to lead him on if what I'm asking is not possible, so I'm not sure if it's appropriate to state that right off the bat or not. What do you think?
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8243 Posts
December 07 2018 15:43 GMT
#19585
On December 07 2018 23:49 enigmaticcam wrote:
So I have a possible job opportunity coming up soon. The thing is, I've been working for my current company for 16+ years. I'm a bit rusty when it comes to interviewing. An old boss of mine had joined a company a while back as an IT director and he's reaching out to me, so I'm not too worried about qualifications.

Mostly, I'm unsure as to proper etiquette when discussing salaries and benefits. I'm not looking for any increasing of salary, but I would prefer to keep what I have, including vacation time. With a wife and newborn son, ample vacation is important to me. If I can't get that, then I'm not really interested. I would assume there would be opportunity to discuss that during an interview at some point? I don't want to lead him on if what I'm asking is not possible, so I'm not sure if it's appropriate to state that right off the bat or not. What do you think?


Generally they will bring it up at some point. Most professional companies wants to know what to expect so they can be competitive. If they just hand our a random salary they risk losing the candidate to someone better. If it's not brought up in the interview, it's completely fine to talk about it later too.

As long as you don't do it first thing you'll be fine. Nothing is more offputting than a candidate asking for salary before they're sure you're even a fit. But once they have decided that they want you, it's going to become a topic naturally.
enigmaticcam
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States280 Posts
December 07 2018 17:11 GMT
#19586
On December 08 2018 00:43 Excludos wrote:Generally they will bring it up at some point. Most professional companies wants to know what to expect so they can be competitive. If they just hand our a random salary they risk losing the candidate to someone better. If it's not brought up in the interview, it's completely fine to talk about it later too.

As long as you don't do it first thing you'll be fine. Nothing is more offputting than a candidate asking for salary before they're sure you're even a fit. But once they have decided that they want you, it's going to become a topic naturally.

Thank you! I'll keep that in mind.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4742 Posts
December 07 2018 23:18 GMT
#19587
Job interview etiquette vary greatly from country to country and sometimes even from company to company. Generaly its company that is bringing salary and benefits up. If its multistage recruitment process (with more than 1 interview) i would expect it bo discussed at the first one.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8243 Posts
December 07 2018 23:45 GMT
#19588
On December 08 2018 08:18 Silvanel wrote:
Job interview etiquette vary greatly from country to country and sometimes even from company to company. Generaly its company that is bringing salary and benefits up. If its multistage recruitment process (with more than 1 interview) i would expect it bo discussed at the first one.


For my current job I had 6 interviews, and the question came up at the end of the fifth one (Well I say 6 interviews, but only the first one was what you'd conventionally think of one. The second was a technical one, the third was to find out if I was "sellable" as a consultant, the fourth was a personality test, and the fifth was more of a "let us show you why you should work for us" type of thing). But I was also lucky to have had another offer before the fifth meeting, so when the question came I was prepared with a ballpark figure.
_fool
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands682 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-08 10:17:19
December 08 2018 10:16 GMT
#19589
On December 07 2018 23:49 enigmaticcam wrote:
So I have a possible job opportunity coming up soon. The thing is, I've been working for my current company for 16+ years. I'm a bit rusty when it comes to interviewing. An old boss of mine had joined a company a while back as an IT director and he's reaching out to me, so I'm not too worried about qualifications.

Mostly, I'm unsure as to proper etiquette when discussing salaries and benefits. I'm not looking for any increasing of salary, but I would prefer to keep what I have, including vacation time. With a wife and newborn son, ample vacation is important to me. If I can't get that, then I'm not really interested. I would assume there would be opportunity to discuss that during an interview at some point? I don't want to lead him on if what I'm asking is not possible, so I'm not sure if it's appropriate to state that right off the bat or not. What do you think?


I've been in a similar situation. When you're starting a family, suddenly other things (like commute, free time, flexibility) become more important than salary. So when I decided to find a new job, I chose to be upfront about my salary/benefits, and it made the negotiations very relaxed (which I greatly appreciated, being a nervous wreck at the time ).

Later on I learned that other people at the company with similar backgrounds started on a way higher salary then I did. Apparently my previous salary was relatively low, and because I skipped negotiations at the new job, I never got to hear their first offer :S

So, bottom line. It's good to share your expectations because it will make the negotiations simpler. But if possible, have them make the first move


"News is to the mind what sugar is to the body"
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
December 08 2018 14:49 GMT
#19590
I sometimes connect to my pc at work and work remotely. Regular remote desktop becomes too laggy sometimes so I'm looking for another way. I shared the project code folder and run visual studio code on my own pc, opening the shared directory like a code folder. But it acts weird, cant properly search files, can't highlight syntax etc.

Do you guys have any suggestions to reliably work over vpn?
Age of Mythology forever!
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19196 Posts
December 08 2018 15:01 GMT
#19591
Just VPN for the network and work locally. No need for this remote desktop nonsense
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
December 08 2018 15:10 GMT
#19592
should I copy sources? how do I work locally? my ide acts weird when I open the shared project folder :/
Age of Mythology forever!
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8243 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-08 15:34:24
December 08 2018 15:33 GMT
#19593
On December 09 2018 00:10 mantequilla wrote:
should I copy sources? how do I work locally? my ide acts weird when I open the shared project folder :/


Copy source code and work locally would be my advice as well. Anything else becomes strenuous fast. There's physical limitations of signal travel time which makes any kind of remote desktopping annoying as hell to work through.

Also, easily copying sources is the reason you're (should be) using git
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
December 08 2018 15:43 GMT
#19594
right it never occured to me that I could checkout from workplace repository

I would need to set up the whole dev environment though :/ can't just get away with just an ide.
Age of Mythology forever!
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17695 Posts
December 08 2018 17:31 GMT
#19595
On December 09 2018 00:43 mantequilla wrote:
right it never occured to me that I could checkout from workplace repository

I would need to set up the whole dev environment though :/ can't just get away with just an ide.


Docker to the rescue
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
December 08 2018 17:37 GMT
#19596
how would docker help? our project consists of like 10 microservices, each has a dockerfile but when I'm debugging one of them I have to run it locally. That's when I'm just working on a single service, there are bugs/tasks related to like 5 different services. At the end, I can run each one of them in docker but I need to be able to run them locally too :/
Age of Mythology forever!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18239 Posts
December 09 2018 00:13 GMT
#19597
Do you mean your notebook isn't up to the task? Then your process gets a lot more laborious as you need access to more than just your code. You need your office's computing resources, and a VPN with some kind of shared drive is your best option. The other one is to constantly copy your code too your work and do the testings and debugging there (remotely).
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17695 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-09 14:11:37
December 09 2018 14:10 GMT
#19598
On December 09 2018 02:37 mantequilla wrote:
how would docker help? our project consists of like 10 microservices, each has a dockerfile but when I'm debugging one of them I have to run it locally. That's when I'm just working on a single service, there are bugs/tasks related to like 5 different services. At the end, I can run each one of them in docker but I need to be able to run them locally too :/


You know of course that you can work on local files of a service that is running in docker and those changes are propagated live to the container? That's for interpreted languages, I guess that for compiled ones you'd still need to rebuild the container.

That's how I'm working now. We have plenty of microservices and other infrastructure (kafka, zookeeper, databases, beanstalk), all dockerized and I'm running it all locally on my machine.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
December 11 2018 18:04 GMT
#19599
most of our containers are javascript (both client & server side), python and some of them are java. How do you live edit the code running in container?

it would be especially useful to me for python, since our python project doesn't work on windows, and I use windows. Usually other devs who use linux on their dev machines deal with the python project but when I need to its too difficult, since I don't know how to debug or change python code running in container.
Age of Mythology forever!
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17695 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-11 21:59:39
December 11 2018 21:59 GMT
#19600
On December 12 2018 03:04 mantequilla wrote:
most of our containers are javascript (both client & server side), python and some of them are java. How do you live edit the code running in container?

it would be especially useful to me for python, since our python project doesn't work on windows, and I use windows. Usually other devs who use linux on their dev machines deal with the python project but when I need to its too difficult, since I don't know how to debug or change python code running in container.


Well, if you configure your container properly for the dev env (getting files from your system) then you can do it. You can also work with it by doing "docker exec -it bash", which gets you into the container if you need to launch some scripts or commands from the console there.

I'll post a sample docker file tomorrow so you can see how it's done (I'm working with Ruby so it should be pretty similar for Python).
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