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Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1293 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-20 18:25:25
June 11 2010 20:16 GMT
#1


I'm surprised this hasn't been posted already.

So basically some completely random black guy from South Carolina wins the South Carolina Democratic Primary. His name is Alvin Greene, and he is a 32 year old Army veteran who is currently unemployed and lives with his parents. No-one knows who he is, he has never participated in any political activities before, and he didn't spend a dime on campaigning. He beat out Vic Rawl, a former state legislator, for the nomination. He also has a pending felony charge for "showing obscene photos to a SC college student, and suggesting sex afterwards."

As you can see by the above interview, he has no idea wtf he is doing, has no platform, and is overall kind of an "out-there" person. Some people believe that the Republicans "planted" him there, but I generally don't think that's actually possible.

Edit: Seems like a nice enough guy though. Kind of makes me think of Forrest Gump, if he ran for election.

Here's a map for district by district results for the Primary:

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From the map, it looks like he not only won, but won by a decisive margin, 59-41.

And here is an article about the whole thing:

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Alvin Greene has been on the phone all day. That's to be expected for the guy who just won South Carolina's Democratic Senate primary and is facing incumbent Republican Jim DeMint in November. But everyone calling Greene has just been trying to find out who the heck he is — and one thing reporters learned Tuesday is that a criminal complaint was sworn out against him last year for allegedly showing obscene photos to a South Carolina college student and suggesting they go to her dorm room.

Greene, a 32-year-old unemployed military veteran who lives with his parents, defeated Vic Rawl on Tuesday for the Democratic Senate nomination despite having run essentially no public campaign — no events, no signs, no debates, no website, no fundraising.

The result has baffled political observers, who had heavily favored Rawl — a former state legislator, attorney and prosecutor who had the edge inasmuch as he actually campaigned and tried to win. Many in South Carolina (which has grandly lived up to its reputation as a political circus this year) suspect that somewhere, a crafty GOP political operative is snickering.

As far as the local political press can discern, the only positive step Greene took toward campaigning was when he plunked down a $10,400 check in March to satisfy the state's filing fee and get on the ballot. He never registered a campaign committee with the Federal Election Commission or filed a financial disclosure with the Senate Ethics Committee.

So why did he run, and how did he win? "I campaigned," Greene, who spoke rapidly and seemed distracted, told Yahoo! News in a brief interview. "It was a low-budget campaign. I funded it 100 percent out of my own pocket, and kept it simple — it was old-fashioned." Asked what, precisely, that campaign consisted of, and how much he spent on it, Greene demurred. "Not much. I had friends helping me."

He said he hasn't yet reached the $5,000 spending limit that triggers a requirement to file with the FEC, despite having spent that $10,400 filing fee (a pretty penny for someone with no job). Like any good politician, Greene tried to deflect questions about the particulars of his campaign to talk of "the issues."

"I graduated from the University of South Carolina," he said. "We have more unemployment than any other time in South Carolina history. Hold on, I have another beep."

Shortly after his Yahoo! News interview, the Associated Press reported that Greene was arrested in November on the obscene photo complaint. Charges are pending, and he hasn't entered a plea. One could, of course, note that such charges wouldn't necessarily hurt a candidate in a Palmetto state election season that's featured plenty of sensational sexual charges.

Greene's candidacy has raised suspicions that he may have been induced to run by Republican operatives in order to sow dissension in the Democratic ranks. It's not uncommon in South Carolina for Republicans to recruit African-American challengers to run against white frontrunners in Democratic primaries in the hope of drumming up racial tensions. (Greene is black.) The straw candidates aren't supposed to win — they're just supposed to create a racially divisive primary to damage the candidate's ability to put together a coalition in the general election.

It's nothing new to Nu Wexler, the former executive director of the South Carolina Democratic Party. "In 2004, on the last day you could file to run in the primary, we were wrapping things up when an SUV with a Bush-Cheney sticker dropped off three black guys who came in to file to run in some local races, and they all paid the filing fee with sequentially numbered cashier's checks from a local credit union," he said. In 1990, famed South Carolina political consultant Rod Shealy was convicted of violating campaign laws after recruiting a black candidate to run in a GOP primary for lieutenant governor in the hope of drawing out racist voters — a maneuver he thought would bolster support for his candidate.

Greene denies that he's a plant. But even if he is, the lack of an actual campaign seems to indicate that whatever plan he might have been a part of was quickly abandoned. Wexler says there may never have even been much of a strategy: "You have consultants doing this kind of thing just because they get bored, and they want something to tell good stories about. It's almost like fraternity pranks."

Greene's success is a testament both to the lackluster quality of the campaign run by Rawl (who raised $186,000 and ran ads) and to the, um, peculiar voting habits of South Carolinians. State Democratic Party Chairwoman Carol Fowler speculated to AP that Greene won because his name came before Rawl's on the ballot. Wexler says Greene is a "big name in South Carolina."

We called the South Carolina Democratic Party to ask if it intends to support Greene's candidacy, but haven't heard back. It could attempt to challenge Greene's win by claiming that he didn't pay the filing fee out of his own pocket — which, if true, would be a federal crime. "It puts them in a tough position," Wexler said. "You can't exactly start challenging the filing fees of every candidate."
ky[Z]
Profile Joined January 2003
China1730 Posts
June 11 2010 20:26 GMT
#2
lol at the interview.

this guy is a man of few words.
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Eiserne
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States340 Posts
June 11 2010 20:28 GMT
#3
Is this serious?
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
June 11 2010 20:28 GMT
#4
Gonna be interesting to see the theories on how this dude got into this position. I'm guessing it has something to do with the democrats having decided beforehand that they wanted to nominate a black guy (demographics and all that).

Just looking at it from outside this seems like a bad joke. I mean I'm sure the guy is a perfectly pleasant man but he seems to have no qualification what so ever.
Go0g3n
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Russian Federation410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-11 20:32:35
June 11 2010 20:32 GMT
#5
Isn't it what you really want? Middle aged family man, ex-military, middle class, didn't spend a fortune on election, no special interests other than general ideas on serving community? It's a dream.
NeV
Profile Joined July 2008
Italy370 Posts
June 11 2010 20:35 GMT
#6
rotfl this interview sounded like a school interrogation with a completely unprepared student xD
Cuddly
Profile Joined November 2008
United States55 Posts
June 11 2010 20:36 GMT
#7
On June 12 2010 05:28 StarBrift wrote:
Gonna be interesting to see the theories on how this dude got into this position. I'm guessing it has something to do with the democrats having decided beforehand that they wanted to nominate a black guy (demographics and all that).

Just looking at it from outside this seems like a bad joke. I mean I'm sure the guy is a perfectly pleasant man but he seems to have no qualification what so ever.


That's not really the way the American primary system works. Democratic party leaders absolutely did not want this guy nominated. Primary elections are like regular elections, but to determine who *the* official Democratic/Republican/whatever party nominee will be. They tend to have lower turnout than main elections, but to have something like this happen is almost beyond belief. The man had no campaign.
ky[Z]
Profile Joined January 2003
China1730 Posts
June 11 2010 20:36 GMT
#8
I want to see a debate between this guy and sarah palin.
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neohero9
Profile Joined May 2010
United States595 Posts
June 11 2010 20:37 GMT
#9
South Carolina easily has the MOST entertaining political atmosphere in the US. Seriously, check out what's been going on over there in the last year, it's HILARIOUS.
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pyr0ma5ta
Profile Joined May 2010
United States458 Posts
June 11 2010 20:40 GMT
#10
On June 12 2010 05:37 neohero9 wrote:
South Carolina easily has the MOST entertaining political atmosphere in the US. Seriously, check out what's been going on over there in the last year, it's HILARIOUS.


Agreed. What is going on in this state? WTF?

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Monst3r
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
119 Posts
June 11 2010 20:46 GMT
#11
He seems like a good guy at least. He seems like an average Joe, who wants to get things done but probably can't because his lack of political knowledge.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
June 11 2010 20:48 GMT
#12
lol. Not that it really matters in South Carolina right? I think the economist put it bets.

And the Democratic candidate is that South Carolina favorite, Some guy.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 11 2010 20:49 GMT
#13
very bizarre
guy seemed rather stoic
InTheFade
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1721 Posts
June 11 2010 20:49 GMT
#14
South Carolina is still a joke. And take down that confederate flag, already!
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Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
June 11 2010 20:50 GMT
#15
hrm, his reaction to every question is similar to mine when i got called on during high school.
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wonkman
Profile Joined March 2008
United States520 Posts
June 11 2010 20:50 GMT
#16
I think he will do good for my state.
TommyGG
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States142 Posts
June 11 2010 20:51 GMT
#17
these interviews are the best
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
June 11 2010 20:51 GMT
#18
.. guy's a statue
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.Wilsh.
Profile Joined January 2010
United States133 Posts
June 11 2010 20:56 GMT
#19
my guess is this guy won because his name was first on the ballot... so people look and go "oh i want to vote for a D" and his name just happened to be first
Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-11 21:05:01
June 11 2010 20:57 GMT
#20
The man had no campaign.


he had no campian with television but he did state that he had a more personal one where he got in touch with his voters. Most likely people got fed up and voted him in out of spite.
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