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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
December 29 2008 17:13 GMT
#261
MidnightGladius always gets accused. Let's hang on to that notion, but we should probably wait for clues that indicate it is midnight. This murder happens after Caller wakes up.
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LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
December 29 2008 17:19 GMT
#262
Alright, I've been looking through everyone's profiles and there are a few things that stand out. I'll copy/paste them in a few minutes with a few added notes. Before anything though, the "coins" clue seems to be the only thing that needs analysis for now. Just so everyone knows,

“one of the mafia stayed to close his eyelids, placing a coin on each.”
I think this was already done in one of the previous mafia games. Basically, this is from Greek mythology. Charon, the guy who ferried people over the river Styx, had to be paid for his services. The ancient Greeks put coins on the eyes of their dead to pay Charon. This leads me to believe that the mafia member that did this is either from Greece, studies Greek mythology, is a Greek admirer, or is just superstitious. I'll look through everyone's profiles to see if there is some sort of ambiguous fit.

"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9592 Posts
December 29 2008 17:44 GMT
#263
I'll try to link the iPod and artist clues to someone in the same way Lucas is doing.
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/user/LathamTK/builds/#view=CrqmP6
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 29 2008 17:44 GMT
#264
what, is nobody talking as soon as I post? lol
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 29 2008 18:01 GMT
#265
On December 30 2008 02:19 LucasWoJ wrote:
Alright, I've been looking through everyone's profiles and there are a few things that stand out. I'll copy/paste them in a few minutes with a few added notes. Before anything though, the "coins" clue seems to be the only thing that needs analysis for now. Just so everyone knows,

“one of the mafia stayed to close his eyelids, placing a coin on each.”
I think this was already done in one of the previous mafia games. Basically, this is from Greek mythology. Charon, the guy who ferried people over the river Styx, had to be paid for his services. The ancient Greeks put coins on the eyes of their dead to pay Charon. This leads me to believe that the mafia member that did this is either from Greece, studies Greek mythology, is a Greek admirer, or is just superstitious. I'll look through everyone's profiles to see if there is some sort of ambiguous fit.



and also i've heard that certain south asian cultures place coins over the dead's eyes so maybe look into that as well?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
December 29 2008 18:02 GMT
#266
The words new man sort of stand out as well. Normally such a phrase refers to a “reformed” person (yes, the positive connotation comes with it). More rarely, but still somewhat often, it refers to a degenerated individual. In this case, it seems like Caller is trying to simply say “someone he had literally not encountered up until that point” but the strange word choice implies something else. I didn't look hard enough to find a link to this.

Ace's profile says “It ends in tears” referring back to the eyes. That's an extremely weak link, and perhaps should just be completely disregarded as it doesn't quite capture the second part of the clue (remotely related to the Greeks). If I analyzed the second part incorrectly, then I guess this is a slightly better match. Death is generally regarded as some sort of an “end” and though the dead person doesn't cry, his friends and family do. This mafioso, if this turns out to be the case, is adding a symbolic element to his death by placing coins (I suppose the coins would pick up a new meaning in this case. That's why I like the Greek thing more.) on Caller's eyes

Ace also says “don't blame me, you should've voted for me the first time.” That sounds similar to what the “new man” is saying. He's justifying his killing by Caller's vetoing the “free wheelchairs bill.”

Latham's quote is “someone has to put back laughter into manslaughter.” The new man smirks because he finds the mayor's death humorous (or at least his statement). Weak link at best. I just want everyone to be aware that it's out there.

Rage's quote in his profile is “sometimes you gotta suck a penis and get ahead in life yo.” There's a reference to the vas deferens. No analysis is needed for this one. Because it's so blatant and still slightly off, I'm inclined to believe it doesn't refer to Rage.

Caller uses the word “suddenly” fairly often. Either it's a poor choice of words (more probable I suppose) or both mafia members share a similar quality. One uses knives and one shoots at penises, and the other uses his fists.

Midnight gladius – this is going to have to be brought up every mafia game. Don't exclude it because the time it is thrown out the window is the time he might be mafia. A gladius is a knife. A mafioso throws a knife. However, nothing in his profile related to penises so the link to him is still tentative.


I can't find any link to wheelchairs in particular. If someone else is looking, it could simply be a joke by the Godfather (or if he's really handicapped in some way, I imagine he'll be killing everyone in very imaginative ways.) http://www.freewheelchairmission.org/press/william_imagine.html There's no such thing called the free wheelchair bill, unless I'm not looking hard enough.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-29 18:12:10
December 29 2008 18:03 GMT
#267
On December 30 2008 03:01 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2008 02:19 LucasWoJ wrote:
Alright, I've been looking through everyone's profiles and there are a few things that stand out. I'll copy/paste them in a few minutes with a few added notes. Before anything though, the "coins" clue seems to be the only thing that needs analysis for now. Just so everyone knows,

“one of the mafia stayed to close his eyelids, placing a coin on each.”
I think this was already done in one of the previous mafia games. Basically, this is from Greek mythology. Charon, the guy who ferried people over the river Styx, had to be paid for his services. The ancient Greeks put coins on the eyes of their dead to pay Charon. This leads me to believe that the mafia member that did this is either from Greece, studies Greek mythology, is a Greek admirer, or is just superstitious. I'll look through everyone's profiles to see if there is some sort of ambiguous fit.



and also i've heard that certain south asian cultures place coins over the dead's eyes so maybe look into that as well?



Sketchy. Source for this?

Edit: The infundumulum clue sounds promising. The balls, representing a man's testicles, in the dog's mouth are a strong fit for the mafioso's fetish (I hope that's not proven to be a stretch with the second day's clues) of penises. Furthermore, his method of killing the guy is by throwing a knife at him; infundumbulum's profile links to a game with the word "gladius" in it.

"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 29 2008 18:08 GMT
#268
On December 30 2008 03:03 LucasWoJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2008 03:01 chaoser wrote:
On December 30 2008 02:19 LucasWoJ wrote:
Alright, I've been looking through everyone's profiles and there are a few things that stand out. I'll copy/paste them in a few minutes with a few added notes. Before anything though, the "coins" clue seems to be the only thing that needs analysis for now. Just so everyone knows,

“one of the mafia stayed to close his eyelids, placing a coin on each.”
I think this was already done in one of the previous mafia games. Basically, this is from Greek mythology. Charon, the guy who ferried people over the river Styx, had to be paid for his services. The ancient Greeks put coins on the eyes of their dead to pay Charon. This leads me to believe that the mafia member that did this is either from Greece, studies Greek mythology, is a Greek admirer, or is just superstitious. I'll look through everyone's profiles to see if there is some sort of ambiguous fit.



and also i've heard that certain south asian cultures place coins over the dead's eyes so maybe look into that as well?



Sketchy. Source for this?


i'm trying to find it, h/o. i remember i saw it once while doing research for classes
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 29 2008 18:11 GMT
#269
On December 30 2008 03:08 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2008 03:03 LucasWoJ wrote:
On December 30 2008 03:01 chaoser wrote:
On December 30 2008 02:19 LucasWoJ wrote:
Alright, I've been looking through everyone's profiles and there are a few things that stand out. I'll copy/paste them in a few minutes with a few added notes. Before anything though, the "coins" clue seems to be the only thing that needs analysis for now. Just so everyone knows,

“one of the mafia stayed to close his eyelids, placing a coin on each.”
I think this was already done in one of the previous mafia games. Basically, this is from Greek mythology. Charon, the guy who ferried people over the river Styx, had to be paid for his services. The ancient Greeks put coins on the eyes of their dead to pay Charon. This leads me to believe that the mafia member that did this is either from Greece, studies Greek mythology, is a Greek admirer, or is just superstitious. I'll look through everyone's profiles to see if there is some sort of ambiguous fit.



and also i've heard that certain south asian cultures place coins over the dead's eyes so maybe look into that as well?



Sketchy. Source for this?


i'm trying to find it, h/o. i remember i saw it once while doing research for classes


err, my bad, wasn't south asian but all through out depending on culture. i couldn't find the place i think i saw it on but i did find some other sites.

http://www.thebody.com/content/art12211.html
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_placing_coins_upon_the_eyes_of_the_deceased_a_Catholic_ritual

not the strongest of sources though


Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
TranceStorm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
1616 Posts
December 29 2008 18:18 GMT
#270
On December 30 2008 02:19 LucasWoJ wrote:
Alright, I've been looking through everyone's profiles and there are a few things that stand out. I'll copy/paste them in a few minutes with a few added notes. Before anything though, the "coins" clue seems to be the only thing that needs analysis for now. Just so everyone knows,

“one of the mafia stayed to close his eyelids, placing a coin on each.”
I think this was already done in one of the previous mafia games. Basically, this is from Greek mythology. Charon, the guy who ferried people over the river Styx, had to be paid for his services. The ancient Greeks put coins on the eyes of their dead to pay Charon. This leads me to believe that the mafia member that did this is either from Greece, studies Greek mythology, is a Greek admirer, or is just superstitious. I'll look through everyone's profiles to see if there is some sort of ambiguous fit.


Also could be anyone related to Roman mythology because they followed the same tradition after stealing it from the Greeks.
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-29 18:21:03
December 29 2008 18:18 GMT
#271
Remember there's a mole people. So don't go off immediately trusting everyone or telling everyone your role. Clue analysis is good though.

*edit*


Godfather: You appear to DTs as any role of your choice (you cannot change the role that you appear as after you PM to me). In addition, after Day 3, you may pm me the name of one person, and if they are not being watched they are inducted into mafia! (only 2 recruitments possible) (1)
NOTE:Godfather can be killed by NRA member and recruitments are not refundable with the exception of the Village Idiot.

The godfather can appear to be any role of his choice. Hmm...maybe the godfather chose to be a paramedic, since wheelchairs relates to accidents which relates to hospitals and paramedics...
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
December 29 2008 18:26 GMT
#272
As far as I'm aware, there are no infundibula in the balls. On top of that, the knife missed his "vas deferens," a tube which is actually inside the body and carries the sperm from your testicles to your wang. It might be a clue, but it doesn't point to me. so i'm just going to stop you guys before you get too far into that.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
December 29 2008 18:28 GMT
#273
I'd go with Rage's quote about the penis. It's extremly related
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
December 29 2008 18:28 GMT
#274
Ok. I asked Caller about insane cops. Insane cops see mafia as green. So if you check someone and they turn out to be blue, you know you're not insane.

In short:

Insane mafia sees...

blues as red
greens as red
red as green

They can't see blue.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
December 29 2008 18:29 GMT
#275
On December 30 2008 01:43 Scaramanga wrote:
ROFL, i just cannot stop laughing at that picture
vas deferens aka balls btw


i'd edit this into my post but i can't. you are wrong, vas deferens is a seperate structure connected to the balls, lrn2biology
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-29 18:33:35
December 29 2008 18:29 GMT
#276
On December 30 2008 03:26 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
As far as I'm aware, there are no infundibula in the balls. On top of that, the knife missed his "vas deferens," a tube which is actually inside the body and carries the sperm from your testicles to your wang. It might be a clue, but it doesn't point to me. so i'm just going to stop you guys before you get too far into that.

How is this not a veeeeeeery strong clue towards you, you have a link to a gladiator site with many references to weapons such as knives, the knive just missed the vas deferens which are tubes that are connected to your testies which is aka balls, your profile picture has a dog with 2 balls in it imo this is enough evidence to hang you tonight
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
December 29 2008 18:32 GMT
#277
On December 30 2008 03:28 Incognito wrote:
Ok. I asked Caller about insane cops. Insane cops see mafia as green. So if you check someone and they turn out to be blue, you know you're not insane.

In short:

Insane mafia sees...

blues as red
greens as red
red as green

They can't see blue.

D) One or more of the detectives are insane! They thus view all townies as mafia and all mafia as townies! (blues stay the same). This applies to rolechecks and the list check.
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
December 29 2008 18:34 GMT
#278
On December 30 2008 03:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2008 03:28 Incognito wrote:
Ok. I asked Caller about insane cops. Insane cops see mafia as green. So if you check someone and they turn out to be blue, you know you're not insane.

In short:

Insane mafia sees...

blues as red
greens as red
red as green

They can't see blue.

Show nested quote +
D) One or more of the detectives are insane! They thus view all townies as mafia and all mafia as townies! (blues stay the same). This applies to rolechecks and the list check.


Caller's message:

Original Message:
actual roles
the insane cop sees mafias as town and blues + greens as mafia
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
December 29 2008 18:34 GMT
#279
On December 30 2008 03:02 LucasWoJ wrote:
Rage's quote in his profile is “sometimes you gotta suck a penis and get ahead in life yo.” There's a reference to the vas deferens. No analysis is needed for this one. Because it's so blatant and still slightly off, I'm inclined to believe it doesn't refer to Rage.


Is there a Rage playing in the first place? i've just checked the player list and there is no rage
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-29 18:41:17
December 29 2008 18:40 GMT
#280
On December 30 2008 03:29 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2008 03:26 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
As far as I'm aware, there are no infundibula in the balls. On top of that, the knife missed his "vas deferens," a tube which is actually inside the body and carries the sperm from your testicles to your wang. It might be a clue, but it doesn't point to me. so i'm just going to stop you guys before you get too far into that.

How is this not a veeeeeeery strong clue towards you, you have a link to a gladiator site with many references to weapons such as knives, the knive just missed the vas deferens which are tubes inside your testies which is aka balls, your profile picture has a dog with 2 balls in it imo this is enough evidence to hang you tonight


I guess i'll respond to your points one at a time. Mafia have been killing with knives since Chuiu's first game. I only put the link to gladiatus in Mafia 3, wherein it was not in fact a clue to me even though I was mafia. Mafia killed with knives in BC's game, wherein I was not mafia. Just because Gladiators use swords/daggers/axes and a mafia kills someone with a knife, it is not a clue to my profile. If Caller were to make some clue regarding gladiatus, i would imagine to be more related to something like arenas, duels, coloseum, etc. rather than something as simple as "he used a knife and infun has gladiators in his profile, brilliant!!" I think I understand now how ShadowDrgn feels.

also i'll split some hairs here. the vas deferens is outside your testes. it connects them so it's like an in between kind of thing. yeah obviously it's related to balls and the dog in my profile has 2 tennis balls and guys have 2 balls so holy shit it must be me right?

you're trying to get my lynched on one night of flimsy evidence, you can go ahead and try and prove me wrong here, but i think most experienced players know it's better to lynch on behavior rather than the first round of clues which are almost always useless until later on.

edit: spelling
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