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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
June 15 2009 21:05 GMT
#8501
Techies just plants a mine and hi 200 gold
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4904 Posts
June 15 2009 21:07 GMT
#8502
Ursa jungle is piss easy if you can add up 2 + 2 and it gets him farmed quite well. Too bad he's quite useless unless your team makes up for the lack of real disable.
Complete the cycle!
b3h47pte
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1317 Posts
June 15 2009 21:22 GMT
#8503
What about SS? IMO, he's pretty fun to play but i don't really know much about the game so i don't know how much use he is in a team battle.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-15 21:33:24
June 15 2009 21:30 GMT
#8504
For junglers: Play enigma - get dagger + boots of travel = learn teamwork. With enigma seeing as you're jungling all the time you can pay attention to everything on the map and look where you're needed most. Once you get your dagger if you gank a lane that has any type of nuke or disable you'll very likely get a kill or double kill.

For laners: Depends. Just pick anything and look at their team, your team, and factor in the best strategy for you to play your hero from that. Storm Spirit is kind of difficult to play because he's heavily item dependent. You can conserve your mana and play him fairly intelligently with not too many items as well as he definitely has potential for ganking etc.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
b3h47pte
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1317 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-15 21:38:19
June 15 2009 21:33 GMT
#8505
On June 16 2009 06:30 MYM.Testie wrote:
For junglers: Play enigma - get dagger + boots of travel = learn teamwork. With enigma seeing as you're jungling all the time you can pay attention to everything on the map and look where you're needed most. Once you get your dagger if you gank a lane that has any type of nuke or disable you'll very likely get a kill or double kill.

For laners: Depends. Just pick anything and look at their team, your team, and factor in the best strategy for you to play your hero from that. Storm Spirit is kind of difficult to play because he's heavily item dependent. You can conserve your mana and play him fairly intelligently with not too many items as well as he definitely has potential for ganking etc.


but how how to counter heroes? from just pure playing a lot? because i don't really know too many counters
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4904 Posts
June 15 2009 21:34 GMT
#8506
SS is really not one of the easiest heroes, tbh. And just as Testie said, he needs a shitton of farm to really shine.

Also needs clutch execution for proper ganks.
Complete the cycle!
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4904 Posts
June 15 2009 21:36 GMT
#8507
On June 16 2009 06:33 b3h47pte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2009 06:30 MYM.Testie wrote:
For junglers: Play enigma - get dagger + boots of travel = learn teamwork. With enigma seeing as you're jungling all the time you can pay attention to everything on the map and look where you're needed most. Once you get your dagger if you gank a lane that has any type of nuke or disable you'll very likely get a kill or double kill.

For laners: Depends. Just pick anything and look at their team, your team, and factor in the best strategy for you to play your hero from that. Storm Spirit is kind of difficult to play because he's heavily item dependent. You can conserve your mana and play him fairly intelligently with not too many items as well as he definitely has potential for ganking etc.


but how do you learn which heroes counter what? from just pure playing a lot? because i don't really know too many counters


You just need experience, don't worry. I remember when I started out my friend would kept telling me to "last hit only" and heck I had no clue what he was talking about...
Complete the cycle!
b3h47pte
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1317 Posts
June 15 2009 21:42 GMT
#8508
Mkay. Yea. i generally -random when i play with TL so i can learn how to play more heroes. but i don't have the knowledge of TL with me when i play with my friends (we play gay 3v3's and what not) so i want to find a hero that can do well in those type of games :\

i was playing a game with my friends the other day and i lost because my other teammate was too busy pushing a lane when i had to defend 1v3 with SS against chen PL and ES..that was annoying tbh

so i just want to find a hero that can do well solo...especially against PL. BS maybe?
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4904 Posts
June 15 2009 21:52 GMT
#8509
BS, Slardar and BH are all good counters to PL. This knowledge doesn't really apply to 3v3 games though.
Complete the cycle!
Antifate
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States415 Posts
June 15 2009 21:57 GMT
#8510
BS and Axe should rape PL easily enough.

Axe doesn't lose. >:O
No one is taller than the last man standing.
Sadir
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Vatican City State1176 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-15 22:00:45
June 15 2009 21:58 GMT
#8511
On June 16 2009 06:42 b3h47pte wrote:
Mkay. Yea. i generally -random when i play with TL so i can learn how to play more heroes. but i don't have the knowledge of TL with me when i play with my friends (we play gay 3v3's and what not) so i want to find a hero that can do well in those type of games :\

i was playing a game with my friends the other day and i lost because my other teammate was too busy pushing a lane when i had to defend 1v3 with SS against chen PL and ES..that was annoying tbh

so i just want to find a hero that can do well solo...especially against PL. BS maybe?


http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=33844
this helped me a lot
you can look up skillbuild, itembuilds very nicely, even after you randomed a hero
if you are quick you should have a rough idea what you should do with this hero

you could try shadowfiend, even though he is not sooo easy to play and has no real escape mechanism, he can carry quite good and he can dominate a lane

edit: 2 things if you are really new, sf is maybe not the best choice because he is quite fragile, it requiers some experience
and the 2nd thing: some of the quides are quite old, only take the green ones and keep in mind that they all refer to 6.59 or some earlier version, not 6.60
b3h47pte
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1317 Posts
June 15 2009 22:01 GMT
#8512
Yea i used to look at those guides too but i usually get laughed at by people from TL when i follow them. I remember i used to get feast first on n'aix but then i got laughed at by TL and got called a noob. i was so sad
Sadir
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Vatican City State1176 Posts
June 15 2009 22:02 GMT
#8513
and don't call storm SS
I didn't even know what ss should stand for
he is storm and not some kind of nazi
Sadir
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Vatican City State1176 Posts
June 15 2009 22:03 GMT
#8514
On June 16 2009 07:01 b3h47pte wrote:
Yea i used to look at those guides too but i usually get laughed at by people from TL when i follow them. I remember i used to get feast first on n'aix but then i got laughed at by TL and got called a noob. i was so sad


the newer guides are generally not bad, but sometimes you have to use common sense
so don't use rapier or radiance on cm or so =)
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
June 15 2009 22:35 GMT
#8515
Yeah I look at those guides when I random a hero, just for a sort of guideline on what to do
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 15 2009 22:37 GMT
#8516
In pubs I realize that sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and accept a loss. Asking for teamwork in a pub (someone to ward, get a chicken, call for a gank, switch lanes) is really frustrating but over time I got used to people not doing it.

I'm still new to the game and I always tend to stop farming early but I've realized just playing more and getting used to what different heroes can do is so far working out for me. I've probably only played with maybe half the heroes available more than once but it helps to also try out the AI map (which kinda sux when the computer starts with either Extra Gold or Fast Experience because it totally destroys any kind of real game dynamics you can expect).
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
TL-GazeRocker
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada61 Posts
June 15 2009 23:29 GMT
#8517
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Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 15 2009 23:44 GMT
#8518
In pubs I realize that sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and accept a loss.
Or you can play a carry and massively outfarm your opponent with superior laning skills.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
June 15 2009 23:51 GMT
#8519
tiny is the only hero with an ult that has a negative effect on himself

it makes NO sense for him to lose attack speed so he gains almost nothing with the increased damage
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Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-16 00:22:07
June 16 2009 00:21 GMT
#8520
On June 16 2009 08:51 paper wrote:
tiny is the only hero with an ult that has a negative effect on himself

it makes NO sense for him to lose attack speed so he gains almost nothing with the increased damage


leoric kind of does because he has a shit mana pool :<

edit: at levels 2 and 3
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