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Guild invites: Message any of EvoSenseOfPride, ScionViableORly, neophyteWham, TheTouchOfGOLD in game
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Private league ladder (finished): https://www.pathofexile.com/private-leagues/league/TeamLiquid and friends
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 23:07:26
December 13 2013 23:04 GMT
#12401
just welped my lvl 41 scion in hardcore on some random boss at the start of the second act. didnt pay a lot of attention because it was so easy till that point. boss comes up punches me, then crits me and finishes me off :D

well was only my second character so I am fairly happy about how far I got

I think I'll try a totem templar next.
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
December 13 2013 23:04 GMT
#12402
So one of my mates asked me about skilling the blood magic passive and I'm like "omagad noone with a brain skills that shit".
Nevertheless I had a look at it and since I've been messing around with max aura builds lately I began to wonder.
Skilling all reduced reserved mana passives gives 46%.
Blood magic (mortal conviction) are another 40%.
Alphas Howl are 8%.
Prism Guardian has 25% reduction.
And the reduced mana gem provides another (multiplicative?) reduction.

I really wonder how all these things stack up...
11 years and counting- TL #680
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 23:34:18
December 13 2013 23:30 GMT
#12403
The blood magic node is "less" which means that it sucks ass.

Because, its a multiplier. See, if you multiply 1 by 1/2 twice, you get .25. If you SUBTRACT 1/2 from 1 twice, you get zero.

Hence, when attempting to use auras, "Reduced" is better than "less". Note htat when trying to raise things aka DPS, addition is much weaker than multiplication so "more" is better than "increased".

Clear as mud? good.

PS: I'm running 8 auras. 6 on mana (60 60 60 40 40 40) and 2 on life (60 and a 40). I have 4 mana unreserved (about 1%). I've done the math and tested.

So the tree gives you 46% reduced, alphas howl ADDS 8%, which puts you at 54% reduced. Prism guardian ADDS 25% reduced so you are at 79% reduced. That then MULTIPLIES with the reduced mana gem. Note that prism guardian only supports the auras in it. so you get (.6)*(.21)*(.71) for the cost of a 60% aura.
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Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-14 09:58:01
December 13 2013 23:35 GMT
#12404
Yeah, I saw when Kripp was planning that 8 Aura build. How much life do you end up with ?

edit: thanks for the explanation
11 years and counting- TL #680
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-14 00:05:41
December 14 2013 00:04 GMT
#12405
On December 14 2013 06:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well I've fought the map version of those bosses but I kinda forgot I never did that side-zone considering there are no quests there.

Ought to take about 10 seconds lol. At least these mobs are guaranteed to spawn (I hadn't killed rare Thunder Bishop and Thunder Priest, and when I went to the Church Dungeon to find them I had to full clear both levels 3 times for the right rares to spawn. Lots of rare Frost/Fire ones lol T_T).


That is why GGG added an achievement to full clear dread thicket in the last patch. Now people have a reason to visit at least once :0

On December 14 2013 05:26 Espelz wrote:
Is there by chance a place for me in the TL guild ? I'm playing on Domination, and pretty much went solo all the way until now (level 69). Would be nice to have some company around once in a while (and to be honest, a place to ask stupid or not so stupid questions when I don't know something on the fly would be nice too )



Yes; post your character name and one of the officers will invite you.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 14 2013 06:55 GMT
#12406
don't you have to level to like lvl 90 to get a lvl empower?
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
December 14 2013 07:21 GMT
#12407
On December 14 2013 15:55 ticklishmusic wrote:
don't you have to level to like lvl 90 to get a lvl empower?

basically, yes. I have a 20% quality Empower and its level 2 and like 20%. lol
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Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany830 Posts
December 14 2013 09:27 GMT
#12408

Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 05:26 Espelz wrote:
Is there by chance a place for me in the TL guild ? I'm playing on Domination, and pretty much went solo all the way until now (level 69). Would be nice to have some company around once in a while (and to be honest, a place to ask stupid or not so stupid questions when I don't know something on the fly would be nice too )



Yes; post your character name and one of the officers will invite you.


Yay !

Character name is Espewuhay.

Probably won't be able to log on before Monday though.
"Its not over till Fantasy gg´s" - Sayle
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-14 10:39:42
December 14 2013 09:40 GMT
#12409
On December 14 2013 16:21 Varanice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 15:55 ticklishmusic wrote:
don't you have to level to like lvl 90 to get a lvl empower?

basically, yes. I have a 20% quality Empower and its level 2 and like 20%. lol

I have a non qualitiy one at lvl 2 and ~10%. From lvl 2 to 3 takes about the experience from lvl 1 to 86. BUT: Gems don't get less xp if you are playing in a zone where you get EXP penalty due to being too low/high level. So in reality it's more like lvl 1 to 82 maybe.

From 1 to lvl 3 probably takes about the same as leveling a char to lvl 86. So basically the same as getting a normal gem to lvl 20.
Firetoss
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany30 Posts
December 14 2013 11:06 GMT
#12410
On December 13 2013 07:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm trying to think of the "best" ammy possible.

Prefixes:
79 Life
36% Weapon Elemental Damage
???
Suffixes
30 chaos res
16 all res
6% Life Leech

What prefix am I forgetting? (or is Leech a prefix in which case what suffix? A top resist I guess...) Would a %armor rating fit in there?

Strength is a suffix so I don't think it applies although top strength would be more life aka desirable.

Or should it just be top MF as the last affix? Best base might just be MF, not sure.


No. The ultimate gear needs no MF becuase there is nothing better to find.
Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany830 Posts
December 14 2013 12:00 GMT
#12411
On December 14 2013 20:06 Firetoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 07:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm trying to think of the "best" ammy possible.

Prefixes:
79 Life
36% Weapon Elemental Damage
???
Suffixes
30 chaos res
16 all res
6% Life Leech

What prefix am I forgetting? (or is Leech a prefix in which case what suffix? A top resist I guess...) Would a %armor rating fit in there?

Strength is a suffix so I don't think it applies although top strength would be more life aka desirable.

Or should it just be top MF as the last affix? Best base might just be MF, not sure.


No. The ultimate gear needs no MF becuase there is nothing better to find.


In that case you could also pretty much stop playing that char completely, because you beat everything and have everything.
Imo the best gear is the one with which you can a) clear everything safely and not too slowly, and b) get heaps of gear for other chars /builds you'll do afterwards when you get bored

"Its not over till Fantasy gg´s" - Sayle
eu.exodus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
South Africa1186 Posts
December 14 2013 13:05 GMT
#12412
Note to self, don't underestimate unique maps. What a waste of 20 chisels
6 poll is a good skill toi have
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 14 2013 14:44 GMT
#12413
obviously if you have no mf yourself you can carry a culler with 400 iir 80 iiq or something
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
poeticEnnui
Profile Joined September 2010
United States78 Posts
December 14 2013 14:53 GMT
#12414
I'd love to join the (Domination) guild if I could -- my character's name is Vaalpurgisnacht.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-14 17:31:12
December 14 2013 17:15 GMT
#12415
my new armor feels really clunky and slow lol. -6% ms from assassin's garb. it does allow me to use le heup ring though.

not sure if i should go for 6L with it. would be worth from an ev perspective. 6l astral with top chaos, 100+ resists, 1.4k armor and perfect life is worth a lot. but it's always a risk.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-14 21:54:58
December 14 2013 21:52 GMT
#12416
On December 14 2013 18:40 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 16:21 Varanice wrote:
On December 14 2013 15:55 ticklishmusic wrote:
don't you have to level to like lvl 90 to get a lvl empower?

basically, yes. I have a 20% quality Empower and its level 2 and like 20%. lol

I have a non qualitiy one at lvl 2 and ~10%. From lvl 2 to 3 takes about the experience from lvl 1 to 86. BUT: Gems don't get less xp if you are playing in a zone where you get EXP penalty due to being too low/high level. So in reality it's more like lvl 1 to 82 maybe.

From 1 to lvl 3 probably takes about the same as leveling a char to lvl 86. So basically the same as getting a normal gem to lvl 20.

Actually.. this is wrong. Level 1 empower to level 2 takes more xp than all other gems to go from level 1 to 20. Most gems take around 300 million xp to hit 20. Empower takes 1.7 billion to hit level 3. (around 300 million to hit level 2.)

Basically if you socket an Empower at level 1, it will be at level 2 at about 80, and at level 3 at 93~ or so. The ultimate endgame gem.
www.twitch.tv/varanice
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-14 21:59:46
December 14 2013 21:59 GMT
#12417
I want a 6l i think my dps will jump from like 8k to like 11k
need the spot for that new physical projectile attack gem
Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
December 14 2013 22:25 GMT
#12418
On December 15 2013 06:59 travis wrote:
I want a 6l i think my dps will jump from like 8k to like 11k
need the spot for that new physical projectile attack gem

Whats your build, league and IGN?
www.twitch.tv/varanice
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-14 23:19:35
December 14 2013 23:17 GMT
#12419
Damn. Died once in the 12 hour EL and rerolled. Was doing pretty well the second time-great +1 cold wand, decent offhand wand, really good chest/boots/gloves/helm. Even found a Karui Ward and Shiversting, which was better than my +1 cold at level 29 when spectral thrown. Found a granite too.

Then I got instagibbed by 4-5 blue corpse shooters, THROUGH the granite. Just...what?

(that zone also had vulnerability Merveil Daughters and puncture monkeys, but I know for sure I wasn't vuln'd when I died).
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-14 23:36:24
December 14 2013 23:34 GMT
#12420
On December 15 2013 06:52 Varanice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 18:40 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 14 2013 16:21 Varanice wrote:
On December 14 2013 15:55 ticklishmusic wrote:
don't you have to level to like lvl 90 to get a lvl empower?

basically, yes. I have a 20% quality Empower and its level 2 and like 20%. lol

I have a non qualitiy one at lvl 2 and ~10%. From lvl 2 to 3 takes about the experience from lvl 1 to 86. BUT: Gems don't get less xp if you are playing in a zone where you get EXP penalty due to being too low/high level. So in reality it's more like lvl 1 to 82 maybe.

From 1 to lvl 3 probably takes about the same as leveling a char to lvl 86. So basically the same as getting a normal gem to lvl 20.

Actually.. this is wrong. Level 1 empower to level 2 takes more xp than all other gems to go from level 1 to 20. Most gems take around 300 million xp to hit 20. Empower takes 1.7 billion to hit level 3. (around 300 million to hit level 2.)

Basically if you socket an Empower at level 1, it will be at level 2 at about 80, and at level 3 at 93~ or so. The ultimate endgame gem.

Idk, I just know that I found my Empower at like lvl 82 and it's already lvl 1 and 10% at lvl 86 3/4. I'm not farming efficient zones though, mostly still playing crappy lvl 68/69 maps.

Though I did not see how much difference it is from lvl 1 to 2 and from 2 to 3, which seems to be huge.
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