On October 10 2011 09:26 itsben wrote:
Justin should switch to yang. I'm unsure what the matchup between Rufus and Viper is but Yang beats viper pretty hard.

Japanese Yangs can compete with Viper but an American Yang? No way...plus why would he put any more time into a character getting nerfed THAT hard. Smart to stick with Rufus all the way

sung_moon

United States10110 Posts

October 10 2011 01:37 GMT

#3027

On October 10 2011 10:35 Zlasher wrote:
No way...plus why would he put any more time into a character getting nerfed THAT hard. Smart to stick with Rufus all the way

^ hit then quit it

edit: referring to yang

Zlasher

United States9129 Posts

October 10 2011 02:40 GMT

#3028

He's never really quit Rufus though, just before AE came otu on DLC he played Adon a lot, he's mixed in Cammy for a couple weeks, but he's always had Rufus in the back. Since Evo he's really stuck to Rufus unless he's just trying to prove James Chen wrong about something.

dranko

Sweden378 Posts

October 10 2011 03:04 GMT

#3029

On October 10 2011 10:35 Zlasher wrote:

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Japanese Yangs can compete with Viper but an American Yang? No way...plus why would he put any more time into a character getting nerfed THAT hard. Smart to stick with Rufus all the way

Do you think the twins are getting over-nerfed? Will they be useless? Because I was planning to pick up one of them.

vivaldi290

Chad19 Posts

October 10 2011 03:41 GMT

#3030

They'll both be fine, they'll be there with Rufus on the B part of the tier list.

Excalibur_Z

United States12243 Posts

October 10 2011 03:54 GMT

#3031

On October 10 2011 09:26 itsben wrote:
Justin should switch to yang. I'm unsure what the matchup between Rufus and Viper is but Yang beats viper pretty hard.

Tell that to Floe :V :V :V :V :V

Zlasher

United States9129 Posts

October 10 2011 04:22 GMT

#3032

On October 10 2011 12:04 dranko wrote:

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Do you think the twins are getting over-nerfed? Will they be useless? Because I was planning to pick up one of them.

Nah they'll still be good characters, they still have divekicks and command grabs, albeit a bit slower for both. All theri damages are a bit slower too, and very little frame data was changed.

They'll just have to work harder to win now, since htey are still low life (900 hp) characters.

Yun will be better than Yang. Fei long will still be good too, a lot of his links are going to be 1 framers now instead of 2 frame links. This is just my opinion though. I think Seth is going to be the best character if people play it like Online Tony/Poongko and just Option select EVERYTHING for days. That shit is seriously broken.

If you like any character you can still play them, I think Yun will still be upper mid tier at best, mid tier at worst.

itsben

435 Posts

October 10 2011 16:18 GMT

#3033

When i said he should switch to yang i meant specifically when he was playing against latif when latif won two straight games about to reset brackets. It was 2-2, so worst case scenario was that he would reset bracket which happened anyway. But good shit to Justin sticking with Rufus and winning.

Also on the seth will be op because of option selects, i heard fuudo (during evo) and daigo (at the rematch) vs poongko used a 4 button option select + delayed backdash to beat seth's option select. I think someone mentioned this at guard crush stream?

Zlasher

United States9129 Posts

October 10 2011 19:44 GMT

#3034

Yeah theres also a 4 button option select for Seth though apparently, and a lot of option select uppercuts that are totally safe and if they work its just unstoppable since everything about Seth now is the uppercut play.

He's fucking broken.

broz0rs

United States2294 Posts

October 10 2011 20:56 GMT

#3035

Justin played amazing at Devastation. I never seen his Rufus looked better. He completely read everything Latif threw at him and looked unbeatable.

o3.power91

Bahrain5288 Posts

October 10 2011 23:24 GMT

#3036

On October 11 2011 04:44 Zlasher wrote:
Yeah theres also a 4 button option select for Seth though apparently, and a lot of option select uppercuts that are totally safe and if they work its just unstoppable since everything about Seth now is the uppercut play.

He's fucking broken.

Seth's Shoryuken FADC OS is broken as it is. Although in 2012, it's nerfed to leave him at -3f instead of -1. It's now punishable by 3f normals or reversals. To keep the FADC safe after the shoryuken, Seth has to FADC the first block, meaning no OS.

As a Seth player since Super, I think it's a big blow to his game, but a necessary one. Either way, Seth is still looking to be pretty damn strong.

Also I don't want to start a whole flame war on this, but even though Seth definitely has the tools necessary to compete and win tournaments during this age of imbalance, I don't understand the idea of having him along the ranks of "broken" with Fei/Yun/Yang. The only 2 Seth's that have been making a name for the character are Poongko and OnlineTony, and OnlineTony hasn't even performed that well in any AE major. This is almost nothing among the sea of twins and fei long players who have been doing well recently.

FakeSteve[TPR]

Valhalla18444 Posts

October 11 2011 05:20 GMT

#3037

http://www.twitch.tv/edmontongamers/b/297007972

31:00 my match

got so lucky at the end of the 2nd round lol, he coulda done ex legs again to hit me. fortunately he thought i was gonna cross him up and blocked the wrong way. end of 2nd match, i dropped the combo after ex dp fadc, then i coulda done s.lk xx ex tatsu -> HARU RANMAN for the win but i did s.lk xx fp dp for some reason. the fireball was stupid and brainless rofl

FakeSteve[TPR]

Valhalla18444 Posts

October 11 2011 05:30 GMT

#3038

^^^ what i take away from that is it seems my frame trap/tick throw game is way too predictable. you'll notice i never successfully baited EX SBK, even though i certainly tried. needs improvement.

exalted

United States3612 Posts

October 11 2011 06:10 GMT

#3039

u tried to focus some jumpins as antiair instead of chp. but yeah. all of his sbks hit, you didn't antiair him once. im going to practice clk clp (OS lp (mp?) shouken) as it's relevant vs chun and makoto)

FakeSteve[TPR]

Valhalla18444 Posts

October 11 2011 07:34 GMT

#3040

i didn't anti-air him intentionally, i have strong anti-air but against this guy i need to make him feel comfortable coming in and doing stuff so i can punish him, and i don't really feel a lot of threat after i block a jumpin from chun. i used to main the bitch, so i know what's she's capable of

my first match was against a thawk and i zoned him the fuck out. i slaughtered him every time he left the ground. against this guy i was just not very confident that i could win so i tried to do something strange to open him up and it worked lol

focus as anti-air, yeah idk why i do that. it's really, really bad. OSing shou into my blockstrings is on the training agenda for the next couple weeks as well. gotta make it second nature